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Originally posted by Benevolent HereticWE ran their country into the ground! WE toppled a stable government and then proceeded to wreak death and destruction across the land. We cannot just abandon them after we have come in by force and made a complete mess of their country.
Originally posted by OttsHmmmm, let's see... "First, we invade your country and ruin your infrastructures, in the course of which tens of thousands of Iraqis will die, and then we torture some of your countrymen at Abu Ghraib, and oh, by the way, you better meet our expectations of your country, because if you don't we'll just take away the formidable boon that is our presence".
Originally posted by grover
What people, especially the neo-cons and their apoligists keep forgeting is that history makes the people what they are...you can no more impose democracy on a people that have never had it, than you can make long cultivated hatreds go away overnight.
Originally posted by Majic
Ignoring The Lessons Of History
Originally posted by grover
What people, especially the neo-cons and their apoligists keep forgeting is that history makes the people what they are...you can no more impose democracy on a people that have never had it, than you can make long cultivated hatreds go away overnight.
Indeed. The wastelands of the former Nazi empire in Western Europe, the smoldering ruins of the Japanese empire in Asia and the plight of an Eastern Europe forced to live without the glorious benefits of Soviet rule stand in mute testimony to the evils of U.S. interventionism.
If only we could somehow learn from history instead of repeating it.
Originally posted by MacDonagh
Well done Bush. Your shocking handling of Iraq is only
matched by your handling of New Orleans.
Originally posted by grover
I never said American intervention is evil. Go back and read what I wrote as opposed to reading into what you want.
Originally posted by Majic
Looks like you missed my point.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Why don't you make your point, Majic, because I don't get it drenched in all the sarcasm. Sorry, I'm not that bright.
The argument grover makes ignores the fact that a significant percentage -- if not the majority -- of the democracies in existence today were “imposed” on the people who benefit from them in precisely the same way it is being “imposed” on the people of Iraq. And typically, with orders of magnitude more bloodshed and grief involved.
I'm encouraging those who think democracy is impossible in Iraq to take an honest look at the history of other “impossible” democracies.
Originally posted by FlyersFan
The previous poster was correct. Iraq has been handed a
second chance. A 'free ticket'. What they do with it will be
to their own credit, or to their own demise. It's on them.
Originally posted by Otts
Expecting "democracy" to miraculously happen because you've toppled a dictator is unrealistic at best.
Originally posted by FactoryLad
Personnally, if it's considered an entire waste of time by the population of Iraq, why not give Saddam his position of power back and $stupid amount of dollars to finance his benevolent regime? Call me cynical, but I doubt that idea would be encouraged by Iraqis.
/rant.
Originally posted by ShadowXIX
Originally posted by Otts
Expecting "democracy" to miraculously happen because you've toppled a dictator is unrealistic at best.
Not quite it has happened before with much more fanatical people and large countries. Japan for example. The Japanese in WW2 make the most extreme muslims look tame by comparison. They had suicide bombers before the Muslims even knew the meaning of the word.
Democracy happen to work out pretty well there and not so bad in Germany Either after thier dictator was toppled.
Originally posted by Vitchilo
Instead of doing this, the american's army destroyed almost 85% of the universities of the country and killed almost 300 post-graduated people such as historians, scientists, psychologists so the elite of their society. After those murders, all the others educated people run away from the country.
So after the war, nobody will be able to say to the Iraqi people who they were and the american propaganda will do what they want with the Iraqi's mind...
When I say american, I say the army and the government, not the average people like most of you who understand that destroying another culture is bad. Because all cultures are equals.
Originally posted by Regenmacher
[and many are calling "Black Wednesday" the start of civil war.