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Originally posted by eternally_damaged
Isn't the main aspect of capitalism to make a profit Muaddib? I don't think China or Russia have any other motive in mind.
Originally posted by Souljah
ROOTS OF AFRICAN CONFLICTS
- The Legacy of European Colonialism
European colonialism had a devastating impact on Africa; the artificial boundaries created by colonial rulers as they ruled and finally left Africa had the effect of bringing together many different ethnic people within a nation that did not reflect, nor have (in such a short period of time) the ability to accommodate or provide for, the cultural and ethnic diversity. The freedom from imperial powers was, and is still, not a smooth transition.
The natural struggle to rebuild is proving difficult
The natural struggle to rebuild is proving difficult and the transit from colonialism to a so-called modern society is not an easy, short one and it can not be overcome in just few years.
"We must remember that the European agreements that had carved up Africa into states paid little attention to cultural and ethnic boundaries and ethnic groups had little opportunity or need to form political alliances or accommodations under repressive colonial rule."
Richard H. Robbins, Global Problems and the Culture of Capitalism
Unequal International Trade; Comparative Disadvantage
Colonialism had thus transformed an entire continent. Vast plantations and cash crop-based, or other extractive economies were set up throughout. Even as colonial administrators parted, they left behind supportive elites that, in effect, continued the siphoning of Africa's wealth. Thus has colonialism had a major impact on the economics of the region today. Colonialism in the traditional sense may have ended, but the end results are much the same.
Cold War by Proxy; Supporting and Arming Dictatorships in Africa
Throughout the Cold War, major powers such as the USA, the Soviet Union and others supported various regimes and dictatorships. Some possibly promising leaders in the early days of the indepence movements throughout the Third World were overthrown.
Corporate Interests, Exploitation, Corruption and Other Issues
Corporate interests and activities in Africa have also contributed to exploitation, conflict and poverty for ordinary people while enriching African and foreign elites. Just an easy acess to vast natural resources and to fuel rebellions with arms sales.
It is more then obvious, that the ongoing problems in Africa are the result of western imperialism and the legacy of colonialms, which left Africa and the People that live there in total state of Chaos, endless Civil Wars, Poverty, Famine, Hunger and spreading Diseases.
And the Western MAINSTREAM Media does practicly Nothing in order to Inform the Public or to increase the awerness for this World problem. Most news can be found on the internet, but other means of mass media are just simply ignoring that.
At least 3.3 million people, mostly Women, Children and the Elderly, are estimated to have died because of the conflict, most from disease and starvation, and more than 2.25 million people have been driven from their homes, many of them beyond the reach of humanitarian agencies.
Originally posted by Souljah
Thats the NOBILTY of Capitalism.
I bet that the Entire World is so Grateful for all of the above mentioned Numbers.
Fun with cross-contamination. I figured since we were talking about africa, here's a good example of African governmental mismanagement. Forty-two tonnes of nutrient rich food from a dog-food company was turned down by Kenya, despite the rampant starvation.
Originally posted by Souljah
Capital is dead labor, which, vampire-like, lives only by sucking living labor, and lives the more, the more labor it sucks.
Words of Mister Karl Marx.
Find anything Familiar?
Tell me, who is the Vampire?
I BACKGROUND
2. The New Concept of Democide [Definition of Democide]
3. Over 133,147,000 Murdered: Pre-Twentieth Century Democide
II 128,168,000 VICTIMS: THE DEKA-MEGAMURDERERS
4. 61,911,000 Murdered: The Soviet Gulag State
5. 35,236,000 Murdered: The Communist Chinese Ant Hill
6. 20,946,000 Murdered: The Nazi Genocide State
7. 10,214,000 Murdered: The Depraved Nationalist Regime
Originally posted by Rebel_Lion
Very mature.
So far we have the arms trade and the world bank and not much refuting that except a few personal jibes and unbacked commentary on left over weapons.
The privitization of Water, oil for aid, ''we'll give you money if you sell us''...
I was hoping to come back to this thread and talk about another part of the Genocide chapter of the Imperial agenda.
What happened to the part about AIDs and bio warfare? Lets get into that, we've thrown up enough evidence about the arms trade and the world bank. I might post about CIA dealings in cokaine or the crack epidemic but I'm not sure that drugs would count as Bio-Khem.. sorry, chem.
Originally posted by Muaddib
Shall we see what your good friend Karl Marx brought to the world?...
Basic Statistics for United States Imperialism
Chronological list of intervention:
1946 – Thailand (Pridi; conservative): success (CO)
1946 – Argentina (Peron; military/centrist): failure (SE)
1947 – France (*; communist): success (SE)
1947 – Philippines (*; center-left): success (SE)
1947 – Romania (Gheorghiu-Dej; stalinist): failure (CO)
1948 – Italy (*, communist): success (SE)
1948 – Colombia (Gaitan; populist/leftist): success (SE)
1948 – Peru (Bustamante; left/centrist): success (CO)
1949 – Syria (Kuwatli; neutralist/Pan-Arabist): success (CO)
1949 – China (Mao; communist): failure (CO)
1950 – Albania (Hoxha; communist): failure (CO)
1951 – Bolivia (Paz; center/neutralist): success (CO)
1951 – DPRK (Kim; stalinist): failure (OF)
1951 – Poland (Cyrankiewicz; stalinist): failure (CO)
1951 – Thailand (Phibun; conservative): success (CO)
1952 – Egypt (Farouk; monarchist): success (CO)
1952 – Cuba (Prio; reform/populist): success (CO)
1952 – Lebanon (*; left/populist): success: (SE)
1953 – British Guyana (*; left/populist): success (CO)
1953 – Iran (Mossadegh; liberal nationalist): success (CO)
1953 – Costa Rica (Figueres; reform liberal): failure (CO)
1953 – Philippines (*; center-left): success (SE)
1954 – Guatemala (Arbenz; liberal nationalist): success (OF)
1955 – Costa Rica (Figueres; reform liberal): failure (CO)
1955 – India (Nehru; neutralist/socialist): failure (CO)
1955 – Argentina (Peron; military/centrist): success (CO)
1955 – China (Zhou; communist): failure (CO)
1955 – Vietnam (Ho; communist): success (SE)
1956 – Hungary (Hegedus; communist): success (CO)
1957 – Egypt (Nasser; military/nationalist): failure (CO)
1957 – Haiti (Sylvain; left/populist): success (CO)
1957 – Syria (Kuwatli; neutralist/Pan-Arabist): failure (CO)
1958 – Japan (*; left-center): success (SE)
1958 – Chile (*; leftists): success (SE)
1958 – Iraq (Feisal; monarchist): success (CO)
1958 – Laos (Phouma; nationalist): success (CO)
1958 – Sudan (Sovereignty Council; nationalist): success (CO)
1958 – Lebanon (*; leftist): success (SE)
1958 – Syria (Kuwatli; neutralist/Pan-Arabist): failure (CO)
1958 – Indonesia (Sukarno; militarist/neutralist): failure (SE)
1959 – Laos (Phouma; nationalist): success (CO)
1959 – Nepal (*; left-centrist): success (SE)
1959 – Cambodia (Sihanouk; moderate/neutralist): failure (CO)
1960 – Ecuador (Ponce; left/populist): success (CO)
1960 – Laos (Phouma; nationalist): success (CO)
1960 – Iraq (Qassem; rightist /militarist): failure (CO)
1960 – S. Korea (Syngman; rightist): success (CO)
1960 – Turkey (Menderes; liberal): success (CO)
1961 – Haiti (Duvalier; rightist/militarist): success (CO)
1961 – Cuba (Castro; communist): failure (CO)
1961 – Congo (Lumumba; leftist/pan-Africanist): success (CO)
1961 – Dominican Republic (Trujillo; rightwing/military): success (CO)
1962 – Brazil (Goulart; liberal/neutralist): failure (SE)
1962 – Dominican Republic (*; left/populist): success (SE)
1962 – Indonesia (Sukarno; militarist/neutralist): failure (CO)
1963 – Dominican Republic (Bosch; social democrat): success (CO)
1963 – Honduras (Montes; left/populist): success (CO)
1963 – Iraq (Qassem; militarist/rightist): success (CO)
1963 – S. Vietnam (Diem; rightist): success (CO)
1963 – Cambodia (Sihanouk; moderate/neutralist): failure (CO)
1963 – Guatemala (Ygidoras; rightist/reform): success (CO)
1963 – Ecuador (Velasco; reform militarist): success (CO)
1963 – United States (Kennedy; liberal): success (CO)
1964 – Guyana (Jagan; populist/reformist): success (CO)
1964 – Bolivia (Paz; centrist/neutralist): success (CO)
1964 – Brazil (Goulart; liberal/neutralist): success (CO)
1964 – Chile (Allende; social democrat/marxist): success (SE)
1965 – Indonesia (Sukarno; militarist/neutralist): success (CO)
1966 – Ghana (Nkrumah; leftist/pan-Africanist): success (CO)
1966 – Bolivia (*; leftist): success (SE)
1966 – France (de Gaulle; centrist): failure (CO)
1967 – Greece (Papandreou; social democrat): success (CO)
1968 – Iraq (Arif; rightist): success (CO)
1969 – Panama (Torrijos; military/reform populist): failure (CO)
1969 – Libya (Idris; monarchist): success (CO)
1970 – Bolivia (Ovando; reform nationalist): success (CO)
1970 – Cambodia (Sihanouk; moderate/neutralist): success (CO)
1970 – Chile (Allende; social democrat/Marxist): failure (SE)
1971 – Bolivia (Torres; nationalist/neutralist): success (CO)
1971 – Costa Rica (Figueres; reform liberal): failure (CO)
1971 – Liberia (Tubman; rightist): success (CO)
1971 – Turkey (Demirel; center-right): success (CO)
1971 – Uruguay (Frente Amplio; leftist): success (SE)
1972 – El Salvador (*; leftist): success (SE)
1972 – Australia (Whitlam; liberal/labor): failure (SE)
1973 – Chile (Allende; social democrat/Marxist): success (CO)
1974 – United States (Nixon; centrist): success (CO)
1975 – Australia (Whitlam; liberal/labor): success (CO)
1975 – Congo (Mobutu; military/rightist): failure (CO)
1975 – Bangladesh (Mujib; nationalist): success (CO)
1976 – Jamaica (Manley; social democrat): failure (SE)
1976 – Portugal (JNS; military/leftist): success (SE)
1976 – Nigeria (Mohammed; military/nationalist): success (CO)
1976 – Thailand (*; rightist): success (CO)
1976 – Uruguay (Bordaberry; center-right): success (CO)
1977 – Pakistan (Bhutto: center/nationalist): success (CO)
1978 – Dominican Republic (Balaguer; center): success (SE)
1979 – S. Korea (Park; rightist): success (CO)
1979 – Nicaragua (Sandinistas; leftist): failure (CO)
1980 – Bolivia (Siles; centrist/reform): success (CO)
1980 – Iran (Khomeini; Islamic nationalist): failure (CO)
1980 – Italy (*; leftist): success (SE)
1980 – Liberia (Tolbert; rightist): success (CO)
1980 – Jamaica (Manley; social democrat): success (SE)
1980 – Dominica (Seraphin; leftist): success (SE)
1980 – Turkey (Demirel; center-right): success (CO)
1981 – Seychelles (René; socialist): failure (CO)
1981 – Spain (Suarez; rightist/neutralist): failure (CO)
1981 – Panama (Torrijos; military/reform populist); success (CO)
1981 – Zambia (Kaunda; reform nationalist): failure (CO)
1982 – Mauritius (*; center-left): failure (SE)
1982 – Spain (Suarez; rightist/neutralist): success (SE)
1982 – Iran (Khomeini; Islamic nationalist): failure (CO)
1982 – Chad (Oueddei; Islamic nationalist): success (CO)
1983 – Mozambique (Machel; socialist): failure (CO)
1983 – Grenada (Bishop; socialist): success (OF)
1984 – Panama (*; reform/centrist): success (SE)
1984 – Nicaragua (Sandinistas; leftist): failure (SE)
1984 – Surinam (Bouterse; left/reformist/neutralist): success (CO)
1984 – India (Gandhi; nationalist): success (CO)
1986 – Libya (Qaddafi; Islamic nationalist): failure (OF)
1987 – Fiji (Bavrada; liberal): success (CO)
1989 – Panama (Noriega; military/reform populist): success (OF)
1990 – Haiti (Aristide; liberal reform): failure (SE)
1990 – Nicaragua (Ortega; Christian socialist): success (SE)
1991 – Albania (Alia; communist): success (SE)
1991 – Haiti (Aristide; liberal reform): success (CO)
1991 – Iraq (Hussein; military/rightist): failure (OF)
1991 – Bulgaria (BSP; communist): success (SE)
1992 – Afghanistan (Najibullah; communist): success (CO)
1993 – Somalia (Aidid; right/militarist): failure (OF)
1993 – Cambodia (Han Sen/CPP; leftist): failure (SE)
1993 – Burundi (Ndadaye; conservative): success (CO)
1994 – El Salvador (*; leftist): success (SE)
1994 – Rwanda (Habyarimana; conservative): success (CO)
1994 – Ukraine (Kravchuk; center-left): success (SE)
1996 – Bosnia (Karadzic; centrist): success (CO)
1996 – Russia (Zyuganov; communist): success (SE)
1996 – Congo (Mobutu; military/rightist): success (CO)
1996 – Mongolia (*; center-left): success (SE)
1998 – Congo (Kabila; rightist/military): success (CO)
1998 – United States (Clinton; conservative): failure (CO)
1998 – Indonesia (Suharto; military/rightist): success (CO)
1999 – Yugoslavia (Milosevic; left/nationalist): success (SE)
2000 – United States (Gore; conservative): success (SE)
2000 – Ecuador (NSC; leftist): success: (CO)
2001 – Afghanistan (Omar; rightist/Islamist): success (OF)
2001 – Belarus (Lukashenko; leftist): failure (SE)
2001 – Nicaragua (Ortega; Christian socialist): success (SE)
2001 – Nepal (Birendra; nationalist/monarchist): success (CO)
2002 – Venezuela (Chavez; reform-populist): failure (CO)
2002 – Bolivia (Morales; leftist/MAS): success (SE)
2002 – Brazil (Lula; center-left): failure (SE)
Chronological list of US murder toll:
China (1945-60): 200K
Greece (1947-49): 100K
Korea (1951-53): 2M
Guatemala (1954-2002): 300K
Vietnam (1960-75): 2M
Laos (1965-73): 500K
Cambodia (1969-75): 1M
Indonesia (1965): 500K
Colombia (1966-2002): 500K
Oman (1970): 10K
Bangladesh (1971): 2M
Uganda (1971-1979): 200K
Chile (1973-1990): 20K
East Timor (1975): 200K
Angola (1975-2002): 1.5M
Argentina (1976-1979): 30K
Afghanistan (1978-2002): 1M
El Salvador (1980-95): 100K
Nicaragua (1980-90): 100K
Mozambique (1981-1988): 1M
Turkey (1984-2002): 50K
Rwanda (1990-1996): 1M
Iraq (1991-2002): 1M
Somalia (1991-1994): 300K
Yugoslavia (1991-2002): 300K
Liberia (1992-2002): 150K
Burundi (1993-1999): 200K
Sudan (1998): 100K
Congo (1998-2002): 3M
General Smedley Butler
I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902–1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested.
Chronological list of US murder toll:
China (1945-60): 200K
Greece (1947-49): 100K
Korea (1951-53): 2M
Guatemala (1954-2002): 300K
Vietnam (1960-75): 2M
Laos (1965-73): 500K
Cambodia (1969-75): 1M
Indonesia (1965): 500K
Colombia (1966-2002): 500K
Oman (1970): 10K
Bangladesh (1971): 2M
Uganda (1971-1979): 200K
Chile (1973-1990): 20K
East Timor (1975): 200K
Angola (1975-2002): 1.5M
Argentina (1976-1979): 30K
Afghanistan (1978-2002): 1M
El Salvador (1980-95): 100K
Nicaragua (1980-90): 100K
Mozambique (1981-1988): 1M
Turkey (1984-2002): 50K
Rwanda (1990-1996): 1M
Iraq (1991-2002): 1M
Somalia (1991-1994): 300K
Yugoslavia (1991-2002): 300K
Liberia (1992-2002): 150K
Burundi (1993-1999): 200K
Sudan (1998): 100K
Congo (1998-2002): 3M
Originally posted by AceOfBase
How about Rwanda? Who did the US kill there?
How did the US kill 1 million people in Afghanistan?
That was a Soviet Invansion, not a US invasion. If you are going to blame the US for the death toll because they supported the insurgents then you need to take Vietnem off of the list and blame Russia and China for supporting insurgents.
How does the US get the blame for Yugoslavia when they moved in to stop the killing?
You really try to put the blame for all of the world's wars onto the backs of the Western world.
The US and the Genocide in Rwanda 1994
Evidence of Inaction
“The plan appears to have been to wipe out any RPF ally or potential ally, and thus raise the costs and limit the possibility of an RPF/Tutsi takeover… No end to the unprecedented bloodshed is yet in sight.”
Rwanda Genocide: What The US Knew
“The documents confirm what was already known,” says Rwanda researcher Alison de Forge of Human Rights Watch, “but the fact that it is from a US source and that it is in writing will seem more impressive to some Americans.”
HRW - Leave None to Tell the Story; Genocide in Rwanda
To the extent that governments and peoples elsewhere failed to prevent and halt this killing campaign, they all share in the shame of the crime.
In addition, the U.N. staff as well as the three foreign governments principally involved in Rwanda bear added responsibility:
- U.N. staff for having failed to provide adequate information and guidance to members of the Security Council;
- Belgium, for having withdrawn its troops precipitately and for having championed total withdrawal of the U.N. force;
- U.S. for having put saving money ahead of saving lives and for slowing the sending of a relief force;
- France, for having continued its support of a government engaged in genocide.
In contrast to the inaction of the major actors, some non-permanent members of the Security Council with no traditional ties with Rwanda undertook to push for a U.N. force to protect Tutsi from extermination. But all members of the Security Council brought discredit on the U.N. by permitting the representative of a genocidal government to continue sitting in the Security Council, a council supposedly committed to peace....
Rwanda: Installing a US Protectorate in Central Africa
“Washington's objective was to displace France, discredit the French government (which had supported the Habyarimana regime) and install an Anglo-American protectorate in Rwanda under Major General Paul Kagame. Washington deliberately did nothing to prevent the ethnic massacres.
souljah:
The Rwandans who organized and executed the genocide must bear full responsibility for it.
But genocide anywhere implicates everyone.
Originally posted by AceOfBase
Then why put the blame on the US?
Slovenia is just as responsible for the genocide as they did nothing to stop it.
I don't agree with the theories in your last link because the US didn't move in to assert control in Rwanda after it was over.
There appears to be some contradiction between official FOIA documents and the globalresearch conspiracy site.
What, don't want to discuss African governments skimming aid meant for its citizens
Or did we not use fancy enough charts to display where weapons were coming from
Freedom of the press? Wait, that's solve that with FREE TRADE!
When I brought up the utter inaccuracies in your 'historical' accusations of slavery, you brought up...The Olmecs
Genocide = The international legal definition of the crime of genocide is found in Articles II and III of the 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Genocide.
Article II describes two elements of the crime of genocide:
1) the mental element, meaning the "intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such", and
2) the physical element which includes five acts described in sections a, b, c, d and e. A crime must include both elements to be called "genocide."
I'm not gonna debate the world bank with you. I don't like it much either, but that's a private interest
How's about this- no one buys any african products
So, let the west take their ball and go home.
Yes, all us white folks are out to get you. Each and every one of us, just like you suspected. Each of us secret racists and genocidal monsters, even teh children
You have got to be kidding me with that list Souljah.
How does the US get the blame for people killed in the 1971 civil war between Pakistan and Bangladesh?
How about Rwanda? Who did the US kill there?
How did the US kill 1 million people in Afghanistan?
That was a Soviet Invansion, not a US invasion. If you are going to blame the US for the death toll because they supported the insurgents then you need to take Vietnem off of the list and blame Russia and China for supporting insurgents.
How does the US get the blame for Yugoslavia when they moved in to stop the killing?
You really try to put the blame for all of the world's wars onto the backs of the Western world.
Originally posted by Rebel_Lion
Yeah and with your brainwashed sheepish self you probably think that the press in the west is free as well huh?
You asked about America and I simply gave you the link, Christopher Cohen was probably the first westerner on that land but tribes in Africa speak of travelling there waaay before you guys ever set foot on it... and commited genocide...
Genocide = The international legal definition of the crime of genocide is found in Articles II and III of the 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Genocide.
Article II describes two elements of the crime of genocide:
1) the mental element, meaning the "intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such", and
2) the physical element which includes five acts described in sections a, b, c, d and e. A crime must include both elements to be called "genocide."
I think this discussion would be totally diffrent if it was face to face. The fact that you guys have your lower halves hidden behind desks makes you more confident to post rubbish when its obvious that the truth is slapping you in the face like a wet fish on sunday.
Read the info and see who its run by again plz. I'm glad your cranium absorbed something now all you have to do is realize that its the same with the arms trade and that the documnt both myself and ace used backs up myself and souljahs argument.... Oxfam and other charities are calling for the arms industry to be brought into touch just as they too call for free trade.
You are right... they steal it to add their jumped up prices to it all.... or refine it to make it cheaper... or make Khemical subsitutes so they don't have to import it, poisioning their own for a quick profit.
Half the fruit juice in the west isn't even real its more like 20% actual fruit and the rest is artificial khemicals and refined sugar.
Nah, most of you have just been tricked by your own people. It makes it tough when the truth about things are told, they then get confused and think their way of life is under threat when people talk about justice for those in poorer nations and so they fall into supporting those that have been tricking them for so long... some of teh'm can't even spell correctly as I've highlighted quite a few times in this thread. Break down a few english words and its actually there.
There is significant evidence that AIDs is a man made virus, the blame is passed onto poor nations cause they can't defend themselves. Most people from poor nations don't trust anything the west puts out and its all scrutinized, as said, we see things from the outside where as others are too busy making mortgage repayments to even check for things.
You say you're from Mexico?
Shall I get out some information on you guys as well. Its not as though you dont suffer under imperial rule either. I watch US tv... they use the same put down tactics on you as they do on us Af'ricans.
I won't be jailed or shot for criticizing the government, or big industry, or just about anything else for that matter.
Speaking of which, because a person says that Africa is the root of all good things, and that the west is the home of devils in men's skin doesn't make it true.
The first westerners on North America were Vikings, led by Leif Ericson. They settled briefly in Anse-aux-Meadows, but soon left. The first permenant settlers from the West were French.
Yeah, Africans were enslaving each other before Europeans arrived, then sold each other to Europeans, and continue to enslave each other. Yep, all at no profit to whitey, whaddya know.