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Originally posted by Nakash
Sola scriptura is precisely that- to refuse to acknowledge commentary over scripture.
The RCC is undoubtably heretical
and everybody knows that.
Now really- do you honestly believe in transubstantion?
Most Catholics believe it to be symbolic
are horrified at this idea once we tell them what
the RCC official doctrine is.
Originally posted by Nakash
Flyers, he also said "Do this in Remembrance of me" which clearly denotes it as a symbolic act, as opposed to what the priests do- having the gall of saying they have magic powers to transform God into a piece of bread, then parade him around in a monstrance.
[edit on 11-4-2006 by Nakash]
Jesus was the WORD made FLESH. this simply means that our spiritual food (the hidden mana), nourishes our minds and feeds us.
"The Word of God is blasphemed by the satanic teaching of the Eucharist, changing the Lord's supper from a memorial observance to a sacrament, a repeated sacrifice of Christ for sin. Every time the words of consecration are used, the natural body and blood of Jesus is mystically present in the form of bread and wine (cannibalism).
The repeated 'sacrifice' denies the finished work of Christ's sacrifice on the cross. If Catholic priests can offer an acceptable sacrifice, then Christ our High Priest is robbed of His glory. It exalts sinful men into the position of mediators between God and men. The elements of bread and wine are exalted to a position of honor and veneration that is not warranted in Scripture.
The round 'cakes' were used in pagan worship in Egypt, where in 1854, an ancient temple in Egypt was discovered with inscriptions showing round cakes on an altar. Above the altar is a large image of the SUN. Near Babain, Egypt is a temple with the sun symbol above its altar with two priests shown worshipping.
In Peru (South America), this same image is worshipped. Even the Israelites, when they fell into Baal worship, set sun-images above their altars. The shape of the Catholic 'host' is influenced by sun-worship. Catholicism is a mixture of paganism, Judaism and Christianity. It is not Biblical and is not of God."
What strikes me is the immense ignorance of Christians in regard to actual pagan traditions and how they are present in both catholicism and protestantism. it would be funny if it werent so tragic that people believe anything.
The rite of holy cummunion/The Lords Supper/whatever you call it in your sect is indeed in the bible, although in every version I read, its symbolic. However, Christianity is not the only religon to practice this rite, and it predates Chriatianity by far. People keep saying it comes from Egypt. Wrong. Egypt is one of many cultures that practiced the symbolic eating of bread and wine.
Christmas: originally taking place during the festival of the Roman Saturnalia, which was a huge party in Rome. Feasts and parties abounded, gifts were exchanged, and someone was appointed to be King saturn, Roman god of agriculture and time, to be revered and catered to until he was sacrificed at the end of the celebration.
Also, the Christmas tree and Yule log were taken from germanic pagan traditions, as is the name Yule, the germanic name for the winter solstice.
Decorating the tree, plus the adornment of holly, were celtic druidic customs. Lighting of candles was a common practice in northern Europe to celebrate the return of sunlight and warmth.
Jeremiah 10:1 Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel: 2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. 3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. 4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. 5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go.
December 25th was the birthday of the persian sun god, Mithrias. By the way, in pagan traditions of the yule, the sun god, whatever his name, was born of a virgin goddess.
The timing of Christmas is purely pagan, and was used when Christians took over the Roman empire to Christianize and supplant the traditional pagan celebrations at the time. Christ was not even born in december if you go by the bible
Originally posted by Sun Matrix
What strikes me is the immense ignorance of non Christians in regard to why these pagan practices are in place. These sun god practices have been put in place by the great deceiver to keep you from seeing the "Son of God". You are being deceived, simple as that.
I am being decieved? I am not Christian. I am not being decieved, as I do not believe in any of it.
Certainly these practices are in many cultures. The reason that the Catholic Communion is traced to Egypt is because of the letters I,H,S on the host or sun wafer. The letters stand for Isis, Horus and Seth from the Egyptian version of the lie that blinds the whole world from Babylon.
I think you had better do a little research on your Egyptian mythology. The holy trinity of you refer to was osiris, Isis, and Horus, not Seth. Seth, or Set, as he is more commonly known, was the dark brother of Osiris who killed him. And the letters IHS have absolutely nothing to do with that.
Incorrect. The origin of Christmas can be traced to the birth of the sun god, Baal. The purpose is to get you to celebrate the sun god instead of the Son of God. You have been deceived. What you have given is just one of the many variations of the lie that originated in Babylon.
No, what i am giving you is factual historical data. Try actually looking at REAL scholarly works. Baal has nothing to do with it.
Again, incorrect. The Christmas tree originated from the death of Nimrod. His mother, who was his lover claimed that Nimrod became Baal, the sun god at his death. Being pregnant she claimed the sun god Baal made her pregnant and she had a virgin birth. Her son Tammuz was killed by a wild boar at the age of 40.
Again, you are incorrect. Have you bothered to do any historical research on anything here?
Again, you are incorrect. This practice was in place thousands of years before you are aware. What you have stated is just another version of the lie that blinds you from Babylon.
No, I am stating what is common historical knowledge for anyone who actually bothers to study history.
Yes, this is another version of the Nimrod story that originates in Babylon. Yep, a virgin birth and a resurection, all designed to keep you from seeing the truth of the Messiah, by the great deceiver.
More than likely you are being decieved by some half wit who pulls a bunch crap out of his backside and throws it all together, proclaiming it all facts, without actually bothering to do a little footwork.
What you have stated is just one of the many versions of the lie that blinds the world that originated in Babylon. Trace your story to it's origin point, Babylon. Then trace that to Satan, the great deceiver who has deceived you.
I trace my story back to credible historical research. Babylon is but one of many ancient civilizations of the world. many pagan traditions predate it. And since I do not base my own research on premise of some mythological spook with red horns and a pitchfork, I actually have a solid trail to follow. The Northern European peopl, as well as many other ancient people, had no contact with Babylon.
Incorrect again. The paganism wasn't used by Christians, it was used to blind you from the truth. Constantine, the Roman Emperor, backed the bishops of Rome and formed the Catholic Church. Constantine was a high priest in the temple of the sun god. It is he that changed the worship of the Son of God, to the sun god who was worshipped on SUNday.
Blind me from the truth? No, from YOUR truth. It wasnt the pagans who wanted to convert the world to their view, it was the Christians, and since the pagan faiths had already existed for thousands of years, it was the pagan beliefs the Christians used to enforce their new religon upon the people.
Much to learn you have, grasshopper. You are being deceived.
I would have to say it would be YOU who has much to learn. I am not being decieved. I have bothered to actually educate myself, not base my arguements off the ramblings of self styled "christian" scholars. lemme guess, your sources include Jack Chick, the Watchtower, or anyone else who cant be bothered to do actual research. Ill leave you to your myths of history, but some of us prefer the real world