Why nobody likes America

Well in my humble opinion there wont be any war with North Korea in the near future, not unless we want Seoul to get leveled. North Korea cant really touch the US but they sure do dgaeto SOuth Kroe, and we dont wna tthat. anyway for nt he plciy of ontie and dettrece will have to do.

The last time I checked most of them are.... you know like the USMC based in the embassy as security staff.


and all the CIA agents that work at these places.

Then it should say that on the map, it shouldn't make it seem like we control all those nations because we have 1 embassy, and 14 Marines on guard there No spin right?

i dunno - 14 marines ARE an effective force

The other day I was staggering down the sidewalk heading home from the Rusty Pelican, my favorite watering hole, when I accidently bumped into a couple of ladies on the opposite side of the street. "Excuse me," I said as I continued on my trek. Then I over heard one of the ladies ask the other, "Who was that?" "Nobody!" the other replied. When I got home I immediately logged onto ATS and I see this thread! So having recently been proclaimed as 'Nobody' then I feel that I need to answer your question. I pondered the answer for a moment and thought deep and hard for something really clever to say when it hit me like a ton of empty beer bottles........Because I can be a nobody or I can be a somebody. It is totally my choice. I can be the town drunk or I can be the dude driving the beer truck! Now that's a guy I really admire. I can live in the gutter or I can be the guy that made the gutter. I can drink the beer or I can be the guy that brews the beer! Hell, I can be the guy that owns the brewery. I can sit around all day and cuss the government or I can be the government.
Hell I could even get elected to two illegitimate terms as the President by convincing the majority of the people that they didn't really vote for me in the first place.........or something like that Sorry haven't quite figured out how that works yet but hey, I rather be the Secretary of Alcohol Beverage Control anyway. But you know why Nobody ( being me) really likes America? Cause a poor boy from nowhere USA can grow up to be a somebody and theres nobody standing in my way..... but me!

[edit on 29-12-2005 by WHOFLUNGGUM]

America's dominace of the globe has natural negative waves. Until recent history I think the world was very happy to have such great hands on the tiller of mankind.

I think johnfrodo is correct. America itself and specifically the way it is supposed to be ran is not what others dislike about America. What people don't like is our society and the way that AMERICANS believe they are superior.

This is a really interesting topic, one that I have thought about a lot in the recent years. First let me say that I am a die hard patriot of not only the US, but the UK as well. I bleed red white and blue. As my name suggests, I am a Realistic Patriot, and I recognize that the country which I love has its flaws, and major ones at that. While there are scores of domestic problems here in the US, almost none of those results in people abroad hating us. What does result in other people hating us is our foreign policy.

Why people hate us

When I was graduating high school I seriously thought about joining the USMC. The reason I did not join was not because I was afraid of being shipped out to war, for if the US or the UK were faced with clear and present danger, I would be the first to sign up to defend them. The reason why I chose not to join up is because is also the reason why people abroad don’t like us…that is the US has in most of its recent engagements have sent its troops to places where they are not wanted or needed, and usually Pulls out prematurely causing only more grief and headache than if they would have butted out.

We have the opposite of the midas touch when it comes to foreign policy. Everything we touch turns to #. Furthermore it ALWAYS ends up biting us in the ass. We brought Saddam, and Ossama to power, we armed them we trained them to fight people that were our enemies at the time. WE funded the Ayatollah in Iran to overthrow the Shah (who was by the one of our most staunchest allies in the middle east.) if he would have maintained power we wouldn’t have half the problems we do now in that area.

All of the above stems from the main number one fact which really tops my # list about this country. We in the modern age don’t have the balls to do stuff ourselves. Any dirty work we “outsource” to other people. Why do we have to outsource the torture of terrorists? Why cant we do that ourselves? We pay other people to do our dirty work, and it bites us in the ass. Im not saying we shouldn’t torture the terrorists for information, but we should at least have the cohones to do it and be up front about it. Not outsource it to the Egyptians and then claim “we never torture people”.

Why we bring this upon ourselves

I often wondered why we do the things we do. The sad realization that ive come across is that we probably do the things we do, to stay on top. Just being at the top of the food chain isn’t enough, if you wish to stay there, it takes a lot of effort. Sometimes that means snubbing competitors, and really dirty politics.

So that’s pretty much the worst of the worst of the US. I could go on and on about everything that makes the US great, but that would take up many many pages and would be way off topic. While the bad may be bad, the good parts are really good, and I think for the most part outweigh the bad. For that reason I say…

God Bless the US, God Save the Queen.
Happy New Year, may 2006 bring peace on earth.

Originally posted by cantfoolme
I think johnfrodo is correct. America itself and specifically the way it is supposed to be ran is not what others dislike about America. What people don't like is our society and the way that AMERICANS believe they are superior.

If they don't like our society, then they wouldnt be acting so American wearing and talking like us. Culture dominance, etc. For example, France is trying to built an invisible "wall" to counter American made movies because many French go to those movies instead of French made movies.

Originally posted by cantfoolme
I think johnfrodo is correct. America itself and specifically the way it is supposed to be ran is not what others dislike about America. What people don't like is our society and the way that AMERICANS believe they are superior.

Dont you think that is moe of a sterotype and not at all rooted in reality?

Originally posted by deltaboy

Originally posted by cantfoolme
I think johnfrodo is correct. America itself and specifically the way it is supposed to be ran is not what others dislike about America. What people don't like is our society and the way that AMERICANS believe they are superior.

If they don't like our society, then they wouldnt be acting so American wearing and talking like us. Culture dominance, etc. For example, France is trying to built an invisible "wall" to counter American made movies because many French go to those movies instead of French made movies.

This is true, but the ones who embrace your culture are your friends.

The one's (and there millions) you need to be concerned about are the ones who dispise your culture and way of life.

Originally posted by RealisticPatriot
The reason why I chose not to join [the Marines] is because is also the reason why people abroad don’t like us…

WOW!! That is somewhat like someone saying "I don't want to be a cop because criminals won't like me." We've been asked, by our allies, to come to their assistance several times in the past--in fact most times. I liken coming to our allies aid much like helping out my neighbors when they are in need. Hopefully; if the need ever arises, they will come to our aid militarily.

Originally posted by davenman
that is the US has in most of its recent engagements have sent its troops to places where they are not wanted or needed,

Let's see, Kuwait sure needed us to liberate them from iraq. Why didn't other Islamic nations come to their aid? The Bosnians (who are Muslims) sure needed us to stop the sytematic ethnic cleasning by the Serbians (Milesovich). Where were the Muslim (or other) nations then?

I challenge you to do some research about whether or not the Iraqis believe they are better off without Saddam hussein. In the long run they will grow to appreciate our liberating them from an oppressive regime.

Originally posted by davenman
We have the opposite of the midas touch when it comes to foreign policy. Everything we touch turns to #.

I submit that there were many places in the world that were already # before we stepped in to do some smack-downs. If it weren't for the US most, if not all, of Europe might be speaking Deutsch and wearing Swastikas. How many men died on the beaches of Normandy to liberate the French from a brutal and oppressive regime.

Originally posted by davenman
We brought Saddam, and Ossama to power,

Saddam Husseim established his own powerbase. We did not put him in power. And if you know your history, you know he did it in a very brutal way.

We did, however, help him fight against iran, who was our enemy. At the time, Saddam was NOT our enemy. It was over time, with his megalo-maniacle personality that he eventually became our enemy. Then when he attacked Kuwait (an ally) we had no choice but to step in and thump him.

We helped Afghanistan fight Russia because Russia was our enemy; not Afghanistan. Nor was Usama bi Laden. They eventually became our enemies, however, on 911. Then we had no choice but to go thump the Taliban. I've got a bottle of 20 year old Scotch holding its breath for the day when we thump UBL.

I think you need to ask: Why did these countries/individuals become our enemies? It was not anything we did. It was based on a change in their perceptions that stemmed from power and ideology. They all became megalomaniacs. This didn't happen to us in Europe after WWII.

Originally posted by davenman
All of the above stems from the main number one fact which really tops my # list about this country. We in the modern age don’t have the balls to do stuff ourselves.

I am absolutely astounded. Some Al Franken wannabe got your ear and you haven't taken the time to educate yourself.

It's a shame you didn't join the Marines. You would have learned something about being an American; and a man. I suggest that if you ever get the chance, go talk to a Marine who has been in Iraq recently. Actually, I suggest you talk to any Marine for that matter. Of course, with your attitude, you might get a good thumping

Why nobody likes america?

Uncontrollable Flatulance?

Power envy?

Wal-mart?

Commercialism?

The FOX sunday lineup?

Reality TV?

I give up.

First off, who are these nobodies that hate America? Are we assuming that every single person in the world hates America, Americans, and the American way of life? I find that doubtful. I Dont hate Germany, Germans, and the German way of life. I don't see how anybody could broudly assume that everybody hates everything about a country.

Also, does it matter? Honestly, if nobody really does not like us, does it even really matter? I mean, if all the world jumped off a bridge, would you do it to? Peer pressure makes people do crazy things, I for one wouldn't worry about what others think about your, your country, or anything else for the matter.

The heir to African and Indian genocide,
The worlds foremost arms dealer,
The only nation to use nukes on a civilian population,
The world biggest jailer,
etc...
There are a lot of reasons to dislike America,
but the list of reasons to LOVE it is much longer.

Well, I live in Sacramento, and Iliterally HALF of my friends and aquaintances are first-or-second generation immigrants, and frankly I NEVER hear them badmouthing the states...EVER!

On the other hand, I've heard more self-loathing coming from Seventh generation WASPs than anybody.

Maybe there's a lesson in this we need to learn from the "newbies".

Your immigrant friends probably enjoy a much better living in the States. This cannot be disputed.
It IS the greatest nation on earth.
But, at the same time we need to remember that best is far from perfection. It is best because when things arent right we band together and change them. This culture of resistance is why America is so great.

We progress with the times, along with the will of the people.

I think a lot of our problems of late are due to our inability to do so now. The large voice from the 60's has become a bunch of liberal crybabies.

Where is our change?
Where has our resistance gone?

Too many are content with things because its better than our other options, but we forget why it is so.

People do hate america (govt. not people) but they still come out of hope that it will change. Iraqi's on the whole dont hate AMERICANS but they hate the GOVT. for what it does. Columbians hate the govt. but not the people thats a fact.
Hating america is a matter of definition, and yes you can hate a govt. and not the people so dont try and confuse or twist the two into a sick plot of "hate one hate all". I hate the govt. but not the people (born and raised in the USA).

i live in the uk and i do not gree that MOST people love america they may like it but they do not love it.

America took most of te credit for winning ww2 even tho many other countries fought a lot more.

the americans will never mention the a bombs when you ask them bout their mistakes in wars(not the ones ive asked anyway)

they have started wars tht need not have happened

and i am sure that other people can come up eith aswell such as
blue on blue

some coalition troops really hate US Marines.

no wonder these allies sometimes shoot each other in incidents which are later dismissed as friendly fires.


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[edit on 13-3-2006 by mr conspiracy]

Everybody likes the US but hates the secret cults that run the country. If most people spent time in the US to get to know the people then they would like them. The elites are the problem.

Originally posted by mr conspiracy
some coalition troops really hate US Marines.

no wonder these allies sometimes shoot each other in incidents which are later dismissed as friendly fires.

[edit on 13-3-2006 by mr conspiracy]

You trying to imply that british troops would purposly open fire on US marines? Or any US forces for that matter!

Britain has a damm good B on B record not to mention our troops are not physcopathic!

Originally posted by Harlequin
i dunno - 14 marines ARE an effective force

30 royal marines managed to almost sink an argentinian warship with just small arms and rockets.