Originally posted by dgtempe
Can someone give us a condensed version of whats happening?
Here's the Reader's Digest version...
Bill Ryan had lead numerous people to believe that he had conferred with Victor Martinez to confirm the identity of the "anonymous" that contacted
him, beginning with
posting #12. In a recent telephone conversation with Bill, I urged him to
make the header information for Anon's email available to a trust third party to ensure that anon was truly authentic. Bill assured me, however,
that certain a certain contact of his, whom I trust, had reviewed and verified that header information.
This was
not the case. In response to Val's inquiries to Victor, she learned that Victor claims to have
asked Bill to have the "new"
anon's IP headers compared to the old ones, to determine whether he was conferring with the Victor's original contact. In response, Bill stated
that he had
not shared anon's IP header information with anyone and, in a message this evening to Victor's list, stated that he will
unequivocally refuse to do so.
Valhall also raised some
excellent points that show some
major problems
relating to the Serpo story itself -- that certain information was mentioned on the C2C broadcast that would not be release by Anon until weeks
later.
Further, Skeptic Overlord raised some issues for Bill to address relating to the quality of the "scans" and the fact that the drawing figures posted
by Bill do not appear to be scanned documents, as purported.
I raised the question of why Bill, by his own admission, failed to follow Anon's instructions in post his information, as instructed, and instead
posted what he alleges to be screen shots of the "scanned documents".
Yesterday, Victor proposed a solution, in order to diffuse the situation and allow Bill an opportunity to vindicate his veracity. Victor suggested
that a neutral third-party be allowed to receive and review the headers from the messages Victor recieved and that Bill had received. Bill has
adamantly refused.
Bill's reaction is unfortunate, since Victor has already stated that he sent the message headers to the same neutral third-party when he initially
began receiving emails from anonymous. Victor did this, because he understood his own technical limitations and knew that his colleague would be able
to provide him with information necessary to verify Victor's source. I do not know what conclusion was drawn, but it was substantial enough
(apparently) to draw a great many prominent people in the UFO community into the analysis of Anon's disclosure.
So, despite this neutral third-party already being in possession of Anon's earlier headers, Bill refuses to send this party the headers for the
"new" anon, citing his confidentiality agreement with anon.
Bill has now stated that he will not post on ATS. I respect his decision and will not repost his "position" from Victor's list to here. If Bill
wanted that position posted here, he could do so himself.
However, Bob Collins, author of "Exempt from Disclosure" responded to Bill as follows:
Source: Victor Martinez' Mail List
Bottom line with no political overtones, the definition of Disinformation is True/False. So, IMHO that is just what this audience is receiving.
From my own personal experiences with messengers of this sort they love to play head games, then they chuckle in your face. So, for 20 years+ I've
played the head games and still do. Recommendation to all, put on your best information filter you can muster and beware!!.......Rmc
As always, everyone is encouraged to review all of the available information and judge, for themselves, whether the information being relayed under
the guise of the "Project Serpo" disclosure may or may not be authentic. I, personally, express no opinion of the disclosure.
