Project Serpo: Postings by "Anonymous" -- Breaking news?

Originally posted by sdrumrunner

Why present such fallible data for scrutiny?

Hi, sdrumrunner –

This is the nub of the question.

I agree with you (if I read you right) that the "target audience" can't possibly be the scientists or the specialists. It's the broad public (which is the major problem in the disclosure equation).

Judging from the website contact messages, there's something like 80% appreciation / willingness to suspend disbelief. That's far less critical than here, or on Victor's list (more critical still).

Bill, if I may, I have a question for you:

Are you aware of or in any way connected to or affiliated with the Project Starlight Coalition?

I'm afraid I've absolutely never heard of that.

Best, Bill

Originally posted by YYZZYY
Victor's Interview

I found Victor's answer concerning the "confidentiality" of his list to be strange, considering the email addresses (and some names) of said list have been released. Why would he make such a claim (100% confidentiality) when it simply isn't true, and especially since he's apparently a self-confessed "PC n00b" (WebTV? lol) and likely wouldn't even know where to begin to learn about such issues as file encryption, data integrity and file security, let alone how to implement them??

Better yet, Victor?

I travel. In nearly every hotel I've stayed at (above $40/night), there is the equivalent of WebTV. If I were on the run from the evil shadow figures, you can bet on the fact that I wouldn't be lugging my laptop around and firing up my wireless connection. Internet cafes and web TVs are the way to go. Of course, with a Laptop and the proper hax0r skillz, one can fake MAC addresses and participate in some pretty nifty spoofing, but the risk is too great in the event of a slip. One slip, and I can trace the MAC to a vendor to a sales receipt to your credit card and you're pretty much developing a penchant for driving off at high speed with a rope tied around your next out the window to a tree.

Hence, I can lend you the fact that WebTV probably does not define the individuals level of savvy or sophistication. If we are also assuming that it's Victor himself who uses WebTV, what does this prove or disprove? Absolutely nothing, actually. That's why I just found your allegations against his credibility based upon the use of WebTV amusing. I can see where one may consider this briefly, but it should not be a show-stopper, so to speak.

But, again, we all have opinions.

Questions For Bill Ryan: Why Do You Believe The Core Story Is Real?

Bill, thanks for your extraordinary patience and forbearance throughout all this. There's been a lot of mudslinging, misdirection and general brouhaha clouding the waters of Serpo, and I truly appreciate your heroic efforts to get this story out there and answer an endless stream of questions.

I recognize the difficulty of your position and, going forward, am resolved to ask only questions that I am confident you can answer.

The question that's nagging me the most right now comes from your repeated assertions that you believe the “core story” is real.

Originally posted by Bill Ryan
5) The core story is real (an exchange program took place).

You are clearly a bright and well-educated man, therefore I find it impossible to believe you have come to this conclusion without good reason.

Hence my questions:

1. Why do you believe the core story is real?

2. What evidence can you provide, independent of the Serpo story, to support this belief?

These are questions you definitely can answer, and I look forward to your response.

Thanks in advance.

Originally posted by gingerlad
Hi Shawnna,

I cannot see how you can support Rdube02's hypothesis yet vehemently attack and throw mud on the unblemished name of Bill Ryan (thus far, fingers crossed for you Bill), both as yet are works of fiction until proven.

Hi J and thank you for your thoughtful feedback.

I do not believe I have "thrown mud" at Bill Ryan.

With all due respect - rdube02 posted his hypothesis and made it VERY clear that that is EXACTLY what it was - his HYPOTHESIS. He then asked everyone to think of how this has unfolded within the context of that hypothesis.

On the other hand, Bill Ryan has created the Serpo.org site, and has posted here, as if the information presented in both venues is FACT. Quite a different approach. To illustrate this, here is a snippet from the front page of Serpo.org:

The background of the information NEW

The information began to be released on 2 November 2005 by a retired senior official within the US Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) who calls himself “Anonymous”. Until he chooses to make his name known, this is the way he will be represented here. Anonymous reports that he is not acting individually and is part of a group of six DIA personnel working together as an alliance: three current and three former employees. He is their chief spokesman.

Up to and including 21 December, the information was released in installments on a private UFO e-mail list moderated by Victor Martinez. The list contains about a hundred and fifty people, including many extremely well-known names in UFO research and related or leading edge scientific fields. Until permissions are granted, their names will be withheld out of courtesy and to respect confidentiality.

I hope you can now see why I have insisted, and will continue to insist, that Bill Ryan produce EVIDENCE that his story is fact, or let's call it what it is at this point - a STORY with no evidence to support that it is based on anything other than perhaps books Bill has read and reviewed.

Always,
Shawnna

Originally posted by YYZZYY
Just so I'm clear, you're saying when Victor said "approach him", he meant someone could contact him outside of email (or other PC-related means), such as in-person, phone, etc, and then Victor would type the message(s) himself to the list?

I imagine that Victor simply meant that if someone e-mailed him and said "please post this to your list for me, but make sure it's anonymously" then Victor would do that and not reveal that person's ID.

Best, Bill

Originally posted by NextLevel
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Hence, I can lend you the fact that WebTV probably does not define the individuals level of savvy or sophistication. If we are also assuming that it's Victor himself who uses WebTV, what does this prove or disprove?

Hi NextLevel. Evidently you haven't followed the this thread closely (as I have... from post one , or you would have known that Bill has stated on several occasions that Victor is indeed using WebTV and is a self-confessed computer-illiterate. Evidently Victory's never used and/or contemplated using anything but WebTV. We've already discussed the ramifications of this several hundred posts ago.

Originally posted by Shawnna

The background of the information NEW

The information began to be released on 2 November 2005 by a retired senior official within the US Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) who calls himself “Anonymous”. Until he chooses to make his name known, this is the way he will be represented here. Anonymous reports that he is not acting individually and is part of a group of six DIA personnel working together as an alliance: three current and three former employees. He is their chief spokesman.

Up to and including 21 December, the information was released in installments on a private UFO e-mail list moderated by Victor Martinez. The list contains about a hundred and fifty people, including many extremely well-known names in UFO research and related or leading edge scientific fields. Until permissions are granted, their names will be withheld out of courtesy and to respect confidentiality.

I hope you can now see why I have insisted, and will continue to insist, that Bill Ryan produce EVIDENCE that his story is fact, or let's call it what it is at this point - a STORY with no evidence to support that it is based on anything other than perhaps books Bill has read and reviewed.

Hi, Shawnna –

I wasn't quite sure of the point you were making here. I was stating facts on the website.

I said (and I was careful to choose my words):

Anonymous reports that he is not acting individually and is part of a group of six DIA personnel working together as an alliance: three current and three former employees. He is their chief spokesman.

This is true... it was Anonymous had reported.

I don't have any evidence for anything, and I think most members understand this. If you or anyone feels that anything on the website is mis-stated or misleading, please bring it to my attention and I'll amend it if necessary.

Re the production of evidence, there's nothing I can do about this! You're kind of talking to the wrong person, here...

BTW, my personal thoughts are now leaning to the idea what we will NOT be presented with the hard evidence that you refer to... at least in the short term. I posted this several pages ago.

I restated this in quite a long interview I myself gave for an article in a magazine (the same one Victor's interview was for), and I'd be happy to post this if anyone would find it helpful as an up-to-the-minute statement of what I think about all this, and why it all may be happening the way it is.

Best, Bill

Does anyone know much about Gene Loscowski and Paul McGovern? I can't find much about McGovern aside from a picture of him and Thomas Mack (now deceased).

Gene Loscowski (also known as Gene Lake) supposedly worked with Rick Doty in the DIA... in fact wasn't Gene the one who spilled the beans about Rick being a disinfo agent?

Anyway, what I'm getting at here is - both Paul and Gene have corraborated the CORE STORY of Serpo. Which I think gives Serpo a hell of a boost in credibility, unless we find some serious dirt on these guys.

Originally posted by Bill Ryan

I restated this in quite a long interview I myself gave for an article in a magazine (the same one Victor's interview was for), and I'd be happy to post this if anyone would find it helpful as an up-to-the-minute statement of what I think about all this, and why it all may be happening the way it is.

LOL Bill, I believe I can safely speak for EVERYONE here when I say you don't need to ask if "anyone would find it helpful" before you post something. I, for one, am immensely interested in EVERYTHING you type.

Originally posted by Majic
1. Why do you believe the core story is real?

2. What evidence can you provide, independent of the Serpo story, to support this belief?

Hi, Majic –

I did present all this quite a while back (but who knows where!) – you or others could search through my posts (click find posts below) to locate it. Meanwhile, here's the essence:

1) The episode with the AF Col (ret), with 33 years in Intel, who confirmed "Yes, all real". This is reported in full at www.serpo.org... . This to me is still heavily significant. (The source who reported this to me, a decent and reliable man, whose name I know, and who is an AF Lt Col assigned to the Pentagon, has since gone to ground and is not returning my e-mails. I suspect – but do not know – that he has been ordered to silence, and as a serving officer has no option but to comply.)

2) Whitley Strieber's experience with the man who came up to him at a convention and said he'd been to another planet, and then whispered something that sounded like "Serpico" in his ear before walking away. This was over ten years ago.

3) Rick Doty reports in his forthcoming article in UFO Magazine (should be out mid-February) that he had a private conversation with a retired officer whom he names, who told him an abberviated version of the Serpo story. This was also ten years ago.

4) Linda Howe has reported hearing about this "exchange program" before. Others have also seen the term used in e-mails and reports with no further explanation given. I have some of those myself. I could dig those out and post them, if I can disguise the senders' ID... I need to check. It's been a while since I looked at them. (Not much to see – just a passing reference to an "exchange program". The same can be found in Robert Collins' book Exempt from Disclosure.)

5) Paul McGovern and Gene Loscowski have confirmed publicly that the details reported by Anon are very broadly correct.

6) I've heard general reports – with no specific data to confirm – that other intel and ex-intel officers on Victor's list have confirmed the story after making discreet enquiries. That has to be a hearsay factor in this context.

Also please see my recent letter to Michael Salla – can anyone find an link to that for Majic? Many thanks.

Best, Bill

Originally posted by promomag
I think I might have found a very significant CLUE to everything SERPO:

Read the post: Saturday, December 31, 2005 - Oh What A Lovely War

Somehow, I managed to come across that blog a days ago. On the one hand, suspecting Rick Doty of being behind Serpo is about as original as peanut butter and jelly. Then again, peanut butter and jelly are pretty much the natural soulmates of the discount-sandwich world.

A very brief look into Rick's background reveals that he was an AFOSI intelligence officer stationed at Kirkland AFB in the early 80's. He met with Linda Howe and derailed her UFO special on HBO. He passed her hoaxed documents, as well.

Speculation? No. He admits this and has apologized to Linda. It was his job, however, to run disinformation operations to allay public knowledge of what was going on in and around USG facilities in the desert southwest, and this duty included UFO-related matters.

Every modern-day UFO allegation, for the most part, is attributed to being a Rick Doty hoax. Mj-12 documents? Many people think he created them and sent them to Jamie Shandera, running an "op" with Bill Moore. Paul Bennewicz? Rick admits to running a disinfo op on him. Serpo? Ever since day one, people have accused Rick of being in on some disinformation campaign.

Strangely, Rick has often told the story of how he sat in a room at area 51 and was present for an interview with EBE-2. Apparently, this and some of Rick's other stories made it into Bob Collins book "Exempt from Disclosure".

Anyone wanting to do a little original research should compare Rick's pre-Serpo accounts of the interview with EBE-2 and what Rick said on the Coast 2 Coast show in early december with Whitley Streiber, Bill Ryan, and (I think it was Bill Hamilton, but I'm not sure)....

In that interview, Rick's story changed. For the first time that anyone can recollect, Rick said he wasn't in the room -- he said he watched it outside on a TV monitor...

Hmmm....

Of course, it's as old as the hills to go around accusing Rick Doty of engineering the Serpo campaign. It's too easy. Too obvious.

That doesn't mean it's not true, though... does it? I truly have no idea. Even simple mistakes of wording can lead people to believe that you're "in" on things. I'd need to go back and read the book and listen to the interview for this to be more than idle speculation, of course. It's an interesting thought though. Perhaps if ATS can get Rick Doty on for an interview, he'd be able to explain this misunderstanding.

Oh.. and as for the Bill Hamilton part of that blog -- they have it all wrong. Bill was claiming that George Knapp wanted to interview him, apparently over the Burisch garbage. According to George Knapp's message to Victor's list, it appears that Bill's statement was an out-and-out lie. Bill lashed out at either Larry Dicken or Jerry Pippin (can't remember who, but if anyone wants to know, U2U me and I'll look it up in my old emails). Bill got nabbed being dishonest with people who had considered him a friend for many years... maybe there's alot more too it than I know (and there probably is) but that's probably enough. The Skywatchers part of it is all just fallout.

Oh.. by the way... I wrote one of the pieces that was in the article that ran on Victor's list with the information about Bill H. that caused the big uproad. If anyone wants to see the original text of what was posted, feel free to U2U me.

[edit on 2-2-2006 by Centrist]

Originally posted by sdrumrunner
Whoever is behind this effort has targeted an audience who deoesn't care so much about the details as they do the idea.

You, I believe, are now looking in the right direction. This story is not flavored for the discerning palate.

But is it salted for mass consumption? Are all of you the food tasters so the chef can get it right for the mindless idiots?

Who is the chef, prep-cook, server, and dishwasher?

Those are the questions that need to be answered!

Curious, why no real discussion on the facts? Because there are NONE!

Get over reading your own posts, quit bootlickin' and put the flame on high!

Why are so many of you willing to buy this without ANY concrete evidence, just the word of a confidence man?

I know most of you want so bad for this story to be true that you are willing to give up logic! The gent from Alaska is one exception of many but not enough!

Think about it, use logic, you DO NOT buy the whitewash you buy the house! This pretty story and it's disseminators are rotten at the core, this house will crumble around your ears!

Shouldn't this thread be moved to Deconstructing Disinformation and Deflection?

If this farce is allowed to spread what disservice have we done to all?

Bill,
If you are truly the man of integrity that you claim to be and that many here reguard you to be, you will refuse to "release" any info from any source until they provide REAL evidence!

Personally,
John

[edit on 2-2-2006 by CasualOne]

Hey Centrist -

I trust you've been poking around on this whole mess for quite sometime and have hit on the many names and associations tied to this whole story and have at least a larger scope of what's going on.

That being said I'm going to back off of this Soap Opera becuase it's really just a bunch of spaghetti to me at this point.

I'll be impressed if anyone could connect the dots at this point, but if I have faith in anyone doing the task with a good background and understanding on the matter, it would be you.

So as much chatter this thread has achieved I'll pay attention to limited and logical contributions to this discussion, yours are certainly one of them.

You get my thanks.

Originally posted by YYZZYY

Originally posted by Bill Ryan

I restated this in quite a long interview I myself gave for an article in a magazine (the same one Victor's interview was for), and I'd be happy to post this if anyone would find it helpful as an up-to-the-minute statement of what I think about all this, and why it all may be happening the way it is.

LOL Bill, I believe I can safely speak for EVERYONE here when I say you don't need to ask if "anyone would find it helpful" before you post something. I, for one, am immensely interested in EVERYTHING you type.

Hi, YYZZYY –

Well, thank you! Here's the interview... it was written, not spoken, and was for the Fortean Times. The questions were put to me by the person writing the article. This is my counterpart to Victor's interview which I posted a few pages back.

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What were your first thoughts on encountering the Serpo information?

I was astonished and intrigued. I think my thoughts were the same as those of many others: “Could this be true?”

How familiar with the UFO phenomenon were you before you got involved with Serpo? You seem to have have at least an acquaintance with the alternative energy and healing world - did this precede your involvement with Serpo?

I’ve never been a ufologist as such – i.e. I’ve never been a researcher, corresponded with other researchers, attended any conferences, or in any way been part of the “black ops” world. But I’ve had an intelligent lay interest in UFOs since I was a teenager, and have read many books. I’d say I’m fairly well-informed at an amateur level, so to speak.

How did you come to run the Serpo site?

I was on Victor Martinez’s UFO list, having been introduced to it by him at almost exactly the same time as “Anonymous” started posting. In fact, that was two days after Anonymous first released his information, and Victor included my name because he thought I might be interested. I’d been on his current affairs list before that, and he and I had corresponded privately about some things. So he had a bit of a shrewd idea about what I might be interested in, and was quite correct.

The idea of the website was first suggested by Bill Hamilton, I believe, and Anonymous himself mentioned it in an early posting. I saw that, and I thought “I could do that”. I checked with Victor, he was appreciative and enthusiastic, and so by mid-November I’d created the site. The object at that time was merely to archive all the information, which I knew by then Victor was unable to do – and, importantly, to bring the information to a wider public audience. I felt this was potentially too important to be considered only by a closed circle of what was then only about 120 people.

Now that you are an "insider", what are your general impressions of the UFO community?

This is absolutely not personal against anybody, because I’ve built good relationships with everyone with whom I’ve been in contact. But I was immediately struck by several things:

1) Comparatively few researchers were openly co-operating with one another. I was expecting a team approach to many issues – after all, everyone has so much in common, viz. a fierce desire for the truth and for disclosure, and compared with those major uniting factors the personal differences are truly minimal.

2) But instead, I could see that there was a certain territoriality, combined with old wounds and accumulated distrust. I could also start to understand why. It’s a tough world, and no-one’s getting rich. It takes a huge amount of time and energy and often leads nowhere special, and sometimes only to disappointment or even feelings of betrayal.

3) My over-riding impression was that I was amazed that anyone had hung in there for twenty-odd years, through thick and then, false hopes, false dawns, hoaxes, disinformation, misinformation, accusations, disputes, and so on. I think they’re all heroes – true soldiers, every one. It’s a real calling, and many of them get little thanks or appreciation for their huge commitment on behalf of the wider public out there, most of whom neither know or care. The existence of contact with extraterrestrial races is of massively profound importance for humanity, and these people are the crusaders for that truth.

How are you finding that people respond to the possibility that the Serpo story might be true? Do you think for most people it confirms pre-existing suspicions, or is it a shock to the system?

Among the wider public, I’ve had hundreds of messages from the website contact form conveying enthusiasm, appreciation and hope. Some of the messages are even quite moving, some from elderly people and some from kids, all of whom want this to be true. God bless you, some of them say. It was a real eye-opener.

The UFO community is far more skeptical, which was fascinating. At first there was strong interest, but when the anomalies – of which there are many – began to show up, a number began to cry foul. I was astonished. I would have thought they would have been at once more open-minded, and also experienced enough to realise what kinds of things might be happening to explain the contradictions and peculiarities. But I can see that there have been so many hoaxes and false dawns, that many had become kind of thick-skinned and began to flinch quite quickly at the prospect of another hope dashed.

Many researchers remained totally silent, as if they were concerned about being drawn into the fray and risking their reputations, and others were quick to point out the discrepancies, while – in my mind – overlooking al the corroborating factors. Another surprise was that that very experience that had led many to dismiss the story should have led many to consider carefully the tricks that the Intel community can play when releasing information. It was as if researchers were saying “Oh, no... not more disinformation. I can’t stand this any more and I’m not getting involved this time.” But actually, there’s a lot of research to be done, and there were many plausible explanations for the way the story was unfolding, both in terms of the apparent release strategy and the content.

From what you know, and if, of course, it actually happened, what benefits do you think the US govt, or the secret govt, gained from the SERPO exchange? Anything we can see around us now?

I have no idea. One can only imagine. One wouldn’t have to visit another planet in order to benefit from back-engineering advanced technology. That can be done from crashed disks right here, or from gifts of technology from the alien visitors. I’d guess that the greatest benefit might be in terms of friendship and political alliance, rather than just technology.

Several people involved in the US UFO scene claim to have heard similar material before, from official sources - what does this suggest to you?

It suggests to me, strongly, that there’s no smoke without fire. Those earlier reports and sources are all independent. It’s all consistent with a highly classified program that suffered the occasional very minor leak as the years went by.

Is there any active research being done to try to dig out previous references to the Serpo documents or material? There are a number of military and intelligence insiders on the Martinez list - do you know if any of them are making enquiries?

I believe many are. Those who have the best chance of unearthing anything significant are the insiders themselves, of which there are quite a few. If I had the contacts or resources, and I was one of them, I’d be working away very hard and very quietly to get to the truth of it. And if I found it, I might not be saying, either.

There are complexities and subtleties here, which I was surprised few people seemed to consider. One is that if this is part of a release program, and maybe just the first step in this, complete with injected elements of fiction and built-in plausible deniability, this may all be very carefully and intelligently choreographed. The Powers that Be would not be likely to approach a critically important project like this without a great deal of thought, deliberation, planning, consultation with sociologists and psychologists, and drawing on their own decades of experience in interfacing with the public. It wouldn’t be done piecemeal or impulsively. That suggests to me that the sources releasing the information are well aware that there are errors and oddities – even to the elements of the spelling mistakes and the grammar, which many have criticised. I think the DIA have the capacity to spellcheck a document. That leads me to conclude that it’s all deliberate; what’s being published is exactly the way they want it to come over.

So even if I was one of those insiders and I found out what was happening, I might not spill the beans if it was going to end up in real disclosure. That’s the Holy Grail in the UFO community. If what it takes to lay low and keep the secret – of who Anonymous is (or are; it’s likely to be more than one person) – is not to get upset about the anomalies, understanding that that’s just how they happen to be doing it, and not identifying Anonymous, even if I knew – that’s what I’d do. That’s my current position on all this. I don’t actually have any inside information beyond my own conjectures and what people have shared with me about their own ideas, but even if I did know exactly what was going on I might think twice about revealing it all if that might wreck the disclosure program.

At this stage, without any further evidence, it's impossible to rule out that the SERPO documents are either a prank/hoax, or part of a deliberate dis- or misinformation campaign. Perhaps one that originated in the 1960s, the documents only being rediscovered now. Perhaps, as you have suggested before, the material contains nuggets of truth wrapped in fictions. Will you keep the material online even if this proves to be the case?

I think a simple hoax or a prank can absolutely be ruled out. It’s too complex for that, and there’s too much circumstantial corroboration. Misinformation falls into the same category – that would mean it’s all false. But it could be disinformation. That means part truth, part fiction. And the fiction part could be as little as 5% for the entire story to be thrown off-kilter. Many people don’t seem to have thought about that. If you change, add or delete 5 words in every 100 in the story, it soon starts to sound like nonsense – if those 5 words (or numbers) are very carefully chosen. And if you mess with 20 words in every 100, you can really go to town and make it sound ridiculous. Yet that still contains 80% truth, as it were.

It’s like the engine in your car. You don’t have to change too many small settings or remove too many components for it to stop running well, or stop running at all. Try adding 5% water to your fuel and see what happens then. The Serpo account may be like that: one could take the entire “real story”, and half a dozen people could run through it it a couple of hours and completely wreck it with a comparatively few strokes of the pen or the keyboard. Something like that may well have happened. And that’s on top of the accidental errors, which may well have crept in if some of the released material, for instance the logs, were transcribed audiotapes which were subsequently retyped. Those natural errors seem to have been deliberately retained, rather than corrected before release.

And even if that’s true, it seems to me to be of staggering importance that 80%, or 50%, or even 10% of this might be true. Yet many people are getting upset or even angry about the false bits. What about the true bits? These are extraordinarily significant. After all, we’re talking about extraterrestrial contact here. But many people are throwing this baby out with the bathwater – as if they can’t bear the idea of being messed with yet again. It may be that it’s simply because I’ve not suffered through so much past confusion and false dawns that I’m still naively enthusiastic. I think this is all of immense importance and yet I see many people around me who can’t seem to bear to think about seriously. But meanwhile, as I mentioned before, in the broader public, the interest and sheer hope are both totally refreshing.

To conclude, I can see no motive for misinformation. I can see plenty of motive for disinformation. My best current guess is that we’re all being “softened up” for the real thing, which is yet to come in terms of the undiluted truth. A colleague of mine the other day pointed out that the Powers that Be would be concerned about causing great personal problems to anyone whose world might fall apart if they were presented with undeniable proof of alien contact. So therefore a way has to be created for them to be able to deny the story until they’re ready to accept it, in their own terms and in their own time. That alone could explain the anomalies and the consequent deniability; for the sake of the rigid disbelievers, the story has to remain supportively ambiguous.

Interestingly, this hypothesis predicts that the promised photos will indeed appear – but that they’ll be subject to the same kind of controversy as the text. The deniability will also be present in the images, and all of it will be carefully planned. So there’s a testable hypothesis, right there.

It seems that the Serpo story has injected new life into a scene that was fairly quiet until recently. Do you think we could be looking at the beginnings of a revival of interest in the subject?

Yes, it could well be. In particular, the interest in the wider population has been extraordinary – and that’s really what it’s all about.

I found a video that mentions the "serpo" exchange.... I'm not sure when it was recorded but it looks like a vhs video transfer. It's over an hour long and is an interesting video:

www.nwowatcher.com...

note - serpo hasn't been mentioned as I'm still watching, however it gives details on the exchange program.

[edit on 2-2-2006 by promomag]

everyone keeps demanding an explaination of the time thing, i've done a search and i can't find any attepts at a reasonable explaination but i might be crap at searching, if i'm repeating please delete but i explained it to myself like this when it occoured to me, just an idea. it just seems logical.

to most people on earth, time has little meaning outside of when to rise, when to eat, when to work etc., for this the sun clock seems reasonable enough, given that serpo was a colony and not a home planet, traditional means of timekeeping, much like the watches the team carried with them, would have been disorientating at best.
for scientific uses and electronics, clockwork wouldn't be very useful anyway, because much like us, they would naturally have switched to atomic deteriation to measure intervals in frequency and so on and they would have done this far earlier in their evolution presumably if they could already travel to other planets.
for medical uses, it seems they had scanners etc. that were far more effective than checking pulse by timing it and doctors tend to use the most efficiant diagnostic devises to hand.

upon first arriving on serpo, the sundial system might have been set up as a stop gap measure to break up daily life while a new time system was invented, but by the time it had been perfected, no-one bothered to learn it because the sundials were working fine and the sientists didn't care because they were working away with the atom deteriation model, which was more acurate anyway, it was just forgotten or consigned to history.

the stange rest periods might also be explained this way, they rest after fourteen hours the same way we rest after 16. it's not their home planet, why would they use it's natural rythms to dictate their biology.

Something I realized earlier today...

Do you guys remember the tale from the original Anon posts about how the Team, while scouting the mountains of Serpo once, came across a giant snake-like creature and killed it with their guns? Do you remember how it had disturbingly human eyes... and how the Ebens were dismayed that the Team wanted to cook and eat it?

Well... if you do... you probably know where I am going with this...
According to post 13b, the Ebens not only hybridized human dna with eben dna... but they also created human-animal hybrids (or chimeras). Is it possible that the 'snake' they killed in the mountains was actually one such hybrid and that it was placed there, by the ebens, as a sort of 'test' of the humans?

Its possible that many of the 'native' lifeforms on Serpo were created by the Ebens and that, perhaps, only the primitive sea creatures Anon mentioned are actually native to it? If so... it might also be possible that Serpo is a genetic repository of 'galactic zoo' of sorts.

Now, if the Ebens WERE testing the Team... what was the point of the lesson? Did they want the humans to confront their own mortality... or did they want them to 'face' themselves as an animal aversary?

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Hi promomag!

I've already watched, well listened to that video as the picture was terrible! I looked into it further and posted some info I'd found which was basically a description of what was in the video here top of page!

www.abovetopsecret.com...

One thing that I did find interesting, If true was that Dr J Allen Hynek who was apparently attached to Project Grudge and Blue Book, was also apparently an advisor, on the film Close Encounters. Its not something I've had the chance to investigate further yet, but will when I get the chance!

I found Cooper hard to listen to, so I didn't finish the video completey.

But thats IS very interesting that Hynek was an advisor on the Close Encounters movie.

If you suppose that slow disclosure has been trying to take place for some time now...
then that bolsters SERPO's credibility eh?

I did a little searching around for the rumored Disney Disclosure, that was eventually scrapped.
Kimball the well known Disney artist was approached by the government to make a slow disclosure movie to acclimate the public.

Full Source

It was Kimball, who at the July 1979 MUFON UFO symposium in California, told of his interest in the subject of UFOs. Then to a stunned audience he related the story of how the American government had approached Walt Disney himself prior to Sputnik to make a UFO documentary to help acclimatize the American population to the reality of extraterrestrials.

Game on!





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Ive just done a littlie digging before I call it a night and found this!

www.imdb.com...

seems Dr J Allen Hynek couldn't handle being just an advisor he had to get in on the act as well

I will look further into this when I get the chance!