Billy Meier called the New Nostradamus!?!?, page 34
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reply posted on 29-3-2006 @ 01:37 AM by TerraX
Recently a few articles by Billy Meier have been translated from German to English. These deal with alleged letters written in 1951 and 1958 to various people and governments with supposedly additional prophetic warnings.

The 1951 letter sent to governments;
www.gaiaguys.net...

The 1958 letter sent to various people and governments;
www.gaiaguys.net...

To be frank, I doubt they are authentic. The 1951 letter supposedly written by Meier at the age of 14 doesn't strike me as written in the gist of that era. The most unusual aspect about it is that the US is heavily criticised twice while they were one of those responsible for liberating Europe. Not a word is spend on the attrocities by Nazi Germany or impereal Japan, but the US is labeled as the bad guy. If you read a lot of the Meier material. those published in the 90s and onward you'll discover that he has contempt for the US. Given these circumstances I doubt the 1951 letter is authentic.

The 1958 letter again is probably again hard to verify for its authenticity. Supposedly the letter was sent to other persons but the article mentions right away that some people destroyed the letter. On a sidenote I wouldn't be surprised if those named persons have passed away by now. Checking up on that (like the TJ) would probably result in dead ends. But Meier makes many prophecies in this letter supposedly written in 1958 and surprisingly he is very specific with world events and dates. This is in stark contrast with other articles published by Meier concerning the future where he is vague and the 'chronology is deliberately mixed'. Much can be said about the 1958 letter. I see a few things such as the mentioning of a German Pope in the third millenium which Meier never mentioned in previous years (to my knowledge). This gives me the distinct impression that this "prophecy after the event".


reply posted on 29-3-2006 @ 05:16 PM by MANNYP4
Nice post there TerraX!

I read that he wasn't suppose to reveal the events and that he altered the
dates. So how is it that now he sent letters when they told him he couldn't
reveal them because it could alter the future for bad. What a contradiction
and also what good is it to know what's going to happen if you can't do
anything about.

"Billy must be careful not to reveal anything since it is important that all
of these events happen as they should."

I think people are focusing too much on the events he says he wrote and not on the ones he didn't. For example, why would they give him info about any Popes when they say religion is crap? Why not give him information on:

Venezuela disaster 'worst of the century'

The Red Cross says the Venezuelan floods may be Latin America's worst
natural disaster of the century and fears the final death toll may be
50,000.

There are many events he doesn't "wrote" about and that compared to the ones he did "write" about - means nothing. Look at the magnitude of that event, but they decided that's nothing. "BUT WE CAN TELL YOU WHAT THE NEXT POPE IS GOING TO BE" give me a F* brake

or wait a minute maybe he did write about it but its still non translated
lol geez! I wish someone put together a list of all the excuses that he had
used for each of the fraud discovered, they are childish.

My favorite is the excuse of the Asket and Nera photos - - lol - - omg I am
not even going to post the excuse here I think everyone knows how stupid it is already. But then again I can't resist:

"Ptaah: Oh, now I see. You really have forgotten everything, and
with certainty this is linked to your life-threatening condition at the time, including your partial amnesia. That is why you are unable to
remember many of these things."

LOL amazing! so... what else did he forget uh? amnesia now that was a
good one.

"Billy: But I do feel that this issue must be addressed if I hold
fraudulent Asket/Nera photographs, which I have been selling with
such a caption until now. If this is actually the case, they're
really going to go after me ferociously."


"Billy: How is it possible that I forgot all of this . . .

Ptaah: You know yourself how many things and facts you had to
relearn and how many other things you were unable to relearn at
all. Furthermore, your memory had been organically damaged, and
this is the reason why it cannot be as active as it was previously
. Just remember the power and capabilities your consciousness possessed when it allowed you to accomplish those many astonishing feats."

1. amnesia
2. You know yourself - - how many things and facts did you have to relearn
3. Your memory had been organically damaged

So.... which one of those excuse is it going to be? lol

"Ptaah: For all these years we were not consciously aware that you
had forgotten our explanations regarding these matters, otherwise
we would have, of course, pointed them out to you at the appropriate time." But then again isn't that the same guy that suffers from
amnesia, re-learning problems, damaged memory? and with all that he is
supposed to carrier the message of human salvation?

For some "Reason" the "Intelligents" E.T.'s didn't think (knew the future?) that those photos would it impact the "mission" cough"(sales)" much.

"Semjase offers to Billy some stones he can sell - he has no money"
"They feel an obligation to other life forms to help but not to
interfere
."

"B I am very surprised, for as you have explained to me that you have quite another technique for taking photographs. But now you suddenly show up with a camera just like mine."

"S (laughing) The camera is a product of your technology, which one of our
people has procured." So "she" did have a camera uh.......

"Eduard found himself locked in a clinic and under psychiatric observation.
Within a month he decided to break out. He fashioned a special key from the wooden carpet and opened the window of the bathroom. He looked down to see the concrete seven meters away. The decision had been made, he could no longer stay so he jumped, landing poorly, breaking his right foot. Although the pain was great he was committed so, climbing over a two meter fence he disappeared into a nearby forest. He could hear the dogs in the background howling as they tried to pick up his trail. He ran through the forest on his broken foot as the dogs closed in on him. He slipped and fell down a hill and rolled up on the bank of the Rhine River. Into the water he went. They wouldn't expect that. After all it was 11:00 on a cold November night." Where were his E.T.s friend? vacation?

"He remembers this time as a trial of seven hells where he more than once
came face to face with death. Upon his return to Europe he turned himself in to the authorities and was sent before the judge. He had intended to explain himself but before he was allowed to do this he found himself finishing another four and one half years in the Rheinau clinic."

Rheinau clinic = psychiatric clinic. Suddenly everything is starting to
make sense now.


reply posted on 30-3-2006 @ 12:08 AM by TerraX
Hi Manny

I recall that once a person had asked Billy Meier (by mail) why he failed to predict the Tsernobyl disaster. Meier's reply was something like that he was told about it by his contacts but due to his collapse in health (amnesia) he forgot all about it and thus didn't mention it in any of his publications. That whole story about his health breaking down, Meier forgetting important information and his ET buddies (who supposedly know everything) who didn't remind him seems like a poor excuse. I've seen other material that was also highly contradicting. In one conversation Meier's ETs admitted that they didn't fully understand the concept of deceiving or lying and therefore made some inaccurate conclusions. Quite frankly, if they're so advanced yet are unable to get to the bottom of human relations but still claim to have the truth (which they claimed on many occasions), they are incompetent to state matters in an official manner. Basically their judgement was insufficient and when you think about incorrect.

Concerning those "prophectic letters" of 1951 and 1958 this caught my attention in the 1951 letter;
7. In the course of time this letter went the way of the perishable.
I suppose that means that there aren't any copies that could confirm that it was ever actually sent out? The 1958 letter (article) also mentions that 2 people of a German UFO study group received that particular letter but destroyed it because of their religious background. Basically no corroboration there either and I strongly suspect that it would be difficult to check up on those persons because they probably passed away by now. Just like in the "discovery" of the TJ where keywitnesses are no longer alive and checking up on them again proved mighty difficult. Meier sometimes lists witnesses who made no official statement by themselves and can't be checked. He also blamed former members of his group of wrong-doing such as Hans Schutzbach who also passed away. I also suspect the photoshop employee who allegedly was under the influence of Bad ETs and who forged and inserted false photographs in Meier's material (the Asket&Nera pictures), will be difficult to check up on. (Meier never mentioned his full name.)
Typically Meier I suppose.



reply posted on 31-3-2006 @ 12:18 AM by TerraX
Check out Michael Horn's latest newsletter where he declares victory;
www.theyfly.com...

"Unfortunately, clear thinking isn’t the strong suit of many of the skeptics. About four months ago, in a move reminiscent of the failed attempts of CFI-West/IIG (www.theyfly.com... ), a professional model maker and photographer, Jeff Ritzmann, declared that he would soon duplicate (and thereby debunk) Meier’s Wedding Cake photos and video. The result of his long and arduous labors, with a cake pan and various other objects, can be seen at: www.abovetopsecret.com... (along with plenty of criticism of Meier and me from Ritzmann and his supporters)."

Rather unsurprisingly the 1958 letter is accepted as genuine by Michael Horn without the slightest hesitation;

"We are very grateful to Gaia Guys to now have the full translation of Meier’s 1958 letter to the European nations: gaiaguys.net... The extent and accuracy of this prophetic information will astonish, and quite possibly trouble, you. Please continue to check for new translations of the Meier material provided at: www.gaiaguys.net..."

But it seems Horn throws in the towl himself;

"In light of the real problems that face us today, from this point on I will waste no more time or space on the futile efforts of deluded skeptics and the failures of denial-based debunkers. To give more time to people who have nothing of value to offer is unnecessary. It’s up to you to determine the accuracy of the information and the value that the Meier case has to you in making sense of life today."


reply posted on 1-4-2006 @ 06:47 PM by Future_Cat
Originally posted by Gazrok

Call me an amateur or even a moron for saying these look as professional as the best FX out there for the 1970s…or any time for that matter, speaking as an experienced and devote science-fiction movie fan of course.


Obviously you've never seen the "ray gun" pics, authenticated by Horn, of regular old five-fingered humans in silly gold jumpsuits with pvc pipe makeshift guns that make an M16 look "compact".... Or the alien ship with one of it's ball bearings missing! But, for those of us who've seen them, it certainly leaves no doubt Meier is a fraud... I suppose you swallow the explanation that the "Asket & Nera" pics were swapped by the Swiss MIB, and we'ren't actually guests of a 70's era talk show?


Okay.... AST subject matter EXPERT. How do you know you are definately looking at "pvc pipe"? This obvious pistol could just as easily be made of metal or even glass. I'm not claiming this is an actual alien "ray gun" nor am I claiming this to be a fraud. All I can say is that from an unbiased observation, this gun does not look to be an obvious fake. This gun could just as easily be a real laser gun.

And now you are sure we are seeing missing "ball bearings?" Really. Again, these could be just about anything overlooked -- including the structure of a real spacecraft.

And no I don't just "swallow" all the claims of this case. However, I am open minded.

So really people, who is the amateur here?

"...all too often it has happened that matters of great value to science were overlooked because the new phenomenon did not fit the accepted scientific outlook of the time." - J. Allen Hynek


reply posted on 2-4-2006 @ 08:58 AM by Gazrok

Okay.... AST subject matter EXPERT. How do you know you are definately looking at "pvc pipe"? This obvious pistol could just as easily be made of metal or even glass. I'm not claiming this is an actual alien "ray gun" nor am I claiming this to be a fraud. All I can say is that from an unbiased observation, this gun does not look to be an obvious fake. This gun could just as easily be a real laser gun.

And now you are sure we are seeing missing "ball bearings?" Really. Again, these could be just about anything overlooked -- including the structure of a real spacecraft.

And no I don't just "swallow" all the claims of this case. However, I am open minded.

So really people, who is the amateur here?



While it certainly is POSSIBLE that the pics are in fact of a shy (head cropped out) alien in a gold foil jumpsuit brandishing a real laser gun, it is much more PLAUSIBLE that it is a human (head cropped out to avoid identification) holding a prop. There is certainly no video footage I'm aware of, of actually USING this laser gun, so assuming it is a prop is hardly a leap....and is actually the more logical conclusion.

FACT - Billy has stated the aliens have 6 fingers...especially in Horn's much-touted handprints on the car bit...
FACT - Those in the pics have 5 fingers. Decide for yourself.

Sure, it's POSSIBLE that the pic of the "UFO" is indeed a real interplanetary craft and the apparent missing piece is simply part of the design, but it is much more PLAUSIBLE that it is a model, due to it being of a different focus level (and thus closer to the camera) missing a ball bearing or other small round metallic object, complete with glue marks showing.

Sure, such claims can be labelled as "amateur"...but most simply call this "common sense". If you want to see a more professionally-debated thread, it's already here ("Billy Meier, Defending, Debunking, Whatever" thread) on ATS. Of course, since those at FIGU are so afraid of most of the worst photos being shown...they've invoked their copyright and had such pics removed. Now, only those who remember seeing them (or who saved them) can point them out.

So then, what are the answers for the Asket and Nera fiasco?

What are the answers for the "time travel photos" that came from a magazine?

That's the odd thing about this case. It can easily be dismissed by both professionals and amateurs alike, and yet so many remain taken in by it.

Ask yourself this. If the Pleidians really cared so damn much about this planet, why not do more than attempt to enlist Billy's help? Obviously, he isn't succeeding in the stated goals. Therefore, if you accept all of Meier's claims, you must then assume that these aliens who have mastered interstellar flight somehow cannot see the futility of using the same non-working method for over 3 or more decades! Perhaps that is the most outrageous belief in the whole case!!!
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