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And the real key word here is? You think? [/qoute]
Meier has said he and the Plejarens will not tell humans everything if they think we will act irresponsibly with that knowledge. What information has he retracted to save face? The photos of the girls? That's been explained. I personally don't know if it's truth or not, and it's likely neither do you.
Oh boy, that's brilliant. Yeah the MiB did it, right. Thoroughly explained. Just when Jerry Springer cheated on his wife but it wasn't his fault, it was those darn viagra's fault. Right.
And of course some people are going to help the FIGU out when closed minded individuals attack them with little reason.
You should inform yourself a little more and pay special attention to whom Billy and FIGU have attacked themselves over the years. That also started in the first contact note and a great deal of people have said nothing negative about Meier and his case but end up in the black book nonetheless. And when I speak up about that I'm a close minded individual? Meier is entitled to accuse others but not vice versa? That only proofs my point of him wanting to be an authority.
On his FIRST contact with Semjase, the female E.T. states:
33.There are also different life forms that have acquired much knowledge and have freed themselves from their environment. They travel through space and occasionally come to Earth.
34. Many of them are rather unpleasant creatures and live in a type of barbarism that frequently is nearly as bad as the terrestrials'.
35. You should be aware of them because they often attack and destroy everything that gets in their way.
36. Many times they have even destroyed whole planets or forced their inhabitants into bondage.
37. It is one of our missions to warn the people on Earth of these creatures.
38. Let this be known to the Earth people because the time is approaching when a conflict with these degenerate human creatures becomes unavoidable.
Please look up their words yourself before pretending to know what your talking about.
Who are these ETs? Do you actually think this is a revelation? We've had stories floating around of abductions since the late sixties. Stories about greys and reptillians doing nasty things but wait, Meier said the abductions weren't that bad and reptillian ETs aren't here on Earth. So I guess somebody is talking out of his @$$.
It appears my question has escaped your attention. Maybe because your answer shoud have read "YES"? The question you then asked never escaped my attention. Are you a psychic? No? Then stop trying to pretend to read my mind and assume i'm someone shut off to other possibilities.
That routine of "Meier just honestly reported what advanced ETs told him" is an excuse to let him get away with many things - take responsibility away of some of the things that were said. You're doing the same thing right now by not getting into the core issue of the debunking tactics used by Meier and his alleged ETs, instead you try to acknowledge his status. That "honest" guy Solarstone spend 4,5 years in prison, busted out, joined the French Foreign Legion and subsequently deserted. This was prior to his 12 year spiritual journey in foreign countries. (Nevermind the outstanding warrents for his arrest.) I think you don't have to be a psychic to see that some people find it diffecult to take Meier's word for it.
Again if someone knows an experience to be truth you say they should not make their "far reaching" claims known to the world?
No. Many people claim that their experiences were truthful. What do we do then? Look at things objectively or believe the one with the most grandious claims?
And no I would not say they have created a belief system. Individuals can make it their belief system but that does not mean the FIGU is responsible for their irresponsibility particularly when thay have said many times how stupid it would be to use FIGU's info in that way.
No? Claiming you're at the core of religious matters, having the original bible with nothing to back it up doesn't remotely fit in the category of creating a new religion? You know what Solarstone. Get back to me when you're past fooling yourself.
TerraX, I assume you are referring to Michael's recent PAR posts. If so, let's not forget that "skeptics are unable to think deeply and comprehensively or look at the Meier case in its entirety." Ummm...isn't it precisely because some of us think deeply and comprehensively and look at the case in its entirety that is cause for the skepticism?
As I've stated many times, I am able to fiercely defend certain aspects of the case, but when I look at the case as a whole, I have to consider all of the claims of the case (e.g. Billy is the reincarnation of the man commonly known as Jesus) as well as newly arisen claims (e.g. Billy can type 1200 WPM with one finger and he plays chess with the Plejarens), and I am frankly unable to swallow all this stuff hook, line and sinker. Some of these claims are the gift that just keeps giving, and just when I think they can't get any wilder . . . what do you suppose will come next?
Poor Michael. He sounds so sensitive! He thinks I've promoted the new DVD with the real intention of ridiculing and belittling him? And this is coming from the master himself of ridicule and belittlement!?
Originally posted by solarstone
Well terra I could reply to those comments but i'm not so into chit-chat.
The thing is not many people know the whole truth and that includes me.
A problem I have is with some people who proclaim the case to be an outright hoax without any serious evidence.
I feel the spiritual info is great because it has been of a benifit to myself enourmously I could write a list if you wish. Like Michael Horn has said many times, that a lot of this case is speculative so people will have to look into it as much as possible on their own effort.
Originally posted by Enkidu
I kind of like to consider Stephen King when evaluating this sort of thing. He says that the key to making a story seem realistic is not to put too many details in it. The more stuff you put in, the more it can be proven to be hogwash by somebody who knows better.
So when I evaluate somebody's space story, I look for details that would be difficult if not impossible to make up. Which it tough, because I know a little about writing, and I know how to make up very convincing details, even if they're a total fiction.
I guess the test Meier has always failed for me was that he never came up with anything that a halfway decent writer couldn't also create from their own imagination.
Let's see a diagram of a simple, working electronic circuit that no one on Earth has ever created, that does something that has never been done before, and that doesn't require any special Element 115 to run. I know. Some kind of basic "subspace" radio circuit. Like a diagram for the most basic crystal radio set. SETI might be interested in something like that.
It's a simple thing. A simple request that an alien could easily provide.
That's not a request. Because what would be the point? If he could produce such a thing, he would have done it by now. What a waste of time and effort.
And shame on all you people who go along with this nonsense and make excuses for its shortcomings. Shame on you.
Originally posted by solarstone
...I feel the spiritual info is great because it has been of a benifit to myself enourmously I could write a list if you wish...
If he wants to know what finally tilted me? The comment about my "mental state". Here is man who knows so little about me personally, yet can make such a statement...at all.