Billy Meier called the New Nostradamus!?!?

When I read many of the debunkers' materials, mostly of them are groundless auguments aimed to discredit Meier. There are also lots of altetred pictures by the deliberate debunkers especially in US, and trying to confuse and defame Meier.

Anyone who has a clear consciousness and mentality and think and analyze his materials and his messages, it won't take long to know this case has genuine meaning in it, and realize all these professional American debunkers are trying everything to defame this case, but after all these 60 years, still not one debunker can discredit his original foto, his tape, and find any evident of fraud, once for all. For example, if he is a fake, I wonder why even the Swiss Air Force and Swiss military give so much attention and concern for this case, also why they have to confirmed publicly of Meier's many sightings.

I think this discussion on this case is meaningless, because it's simply a endless drag on arguments by people with high conscious awareness who think Meier is trying to convey a message and those debunkers who will debunk anything even Meier invite him for a gallatic ride. They will probably say they are simply dreaming or hallucinating. The debunkers also include people who are jealous of his contacts with the star people, and also people who have to debunk to make a living, or the US state sponsored debunkers, also the peopele who have all their minds shot closed from begining completly for anything that are not taught by their American sociological religious beliefs, these people are living in a awfully small universe.

Hmm, this thread certainly flared up again. The usual pro and con debates. "Billy Meier is a fraud", "No, he's genius". Over the years my impression of the man have slowly drifted towards the con position although I think there is some truth in some of his claims while other claims are simply fabricated. Meier supporters should take a real hard look in how the case treats the rest of ufology, perhaps you'll notice that the man is a debunker himself. Ironic, isn't it?

Originally posted by jritzmann
There's a difference, your "technical mumbo jumbo" is garbage you want everyone to believe to try and prove some point. Where as I'm the only one putting up actual data to back up my "technical mumbo jumbo".

I guess my "technical mumbo jumbo" as you call it seems to be based in reality. Where as yours seems to come from that...other place you mentioned.

Thanks for proving my point.

You're just yelling "I'm right I'm right, you're not" and automatically you feel victorious.

I'm not gonna spend any time on kids who need to "win". I debunked your so-called proof in 5 minutes, yet you say BS and we have to believe you?

Get a grip.

Originally posted by longhaircowboy
One more time for the mentally challenged-
www.brumac.8k.com...

I love it when people keep getting back to this. Pages and pages of information of how a model is attached to a string. Lengthy formulas with precise numbers, but wait! The video is old, grainy, blurry, and doesn't really lend itself to intricate formulas because every number you put up there is a guess to begin with.
Not to mention that the majority who sees it will just say "oh well it has these formulas so they must be right".

Yes, it certainly looks cool but actually it means zilch. And while you're so focused on one video with pendulum movement, you forget about the other videos where there is no movement of this kind. Convenient.

Originally posted by Shroomery

Originally posted by jritzmann
There's a difference, your "technical mumbo jumbo" is garbage you want everyone to believe to try and prove some point. Where as I'm the only one putting up actual data to back up my "technical mumbo jumbo".

I guess my "technical mumbo jumbo" as you call it seems to be based in reality. Where as yours seems to come from that...other place you mentioned.

Thanks for proving my point.

You're just yelling "I'm right I'm right, you're not" and automatically you feel victorious.

I'm not gonna spend any time on kids who need to "win". I debunked your so-called proof in 5 minutes, yet you say BS and we have to believe you?

Get a grip.

I can assure you my grip is fine. You've spent alot fo time so far, and havent shown or proven a damn thing. Youre quick with smarmy remarks that...well just like whats quoted above, are...nothing but a smarmy remark that...doesnt make any sense to begin with. I remember comments like this when I was in elementary school...
"Yeah? Well my Dad can beat up your Dad!!!"

Lets get one thing abundantly clear. You didnt "debunk" sh*t. You come in here and jab at everything anyone says that disagrees with you, you post nothing to substanciate your claims. You also refuse to put your same "analysis" to Meier's photo. Big comments on one you *know* is fake, because I told you, yet the one you believe in is left alone.

Here's the bottom line. Youre busted. Youre just another Meier believer with an axe to grind, and nothing to back it up.
So again, bye.

Originally posted by Shroomery

Originally posted by longhaircowboy
One more time for the mentally challenged-
www.brumac.8k.com...

I love it when people keep getting back to this. Pages and pages of information of how a model is attached to a string. Lengthy formulas with precise numbers, but wait! The video is old, grainy, blurry, and doesn't really lend itself to intricate formulas because every number you put up there is a guess to begin with.
Not to mention that the majority who sees it will just say "oh well it has these formulas so they must be right".

Yes, it certainly looks cool but actually it means zilch. And while you're so focused on one video with pendulum movement, you forget about the other videos where there is no movement of this kind. Convenient.

Now there's a comment that truly shows this poster for what he is. He, in his comfy armchair, and in safe distance and anonymity is now going to tell us the whole of Macabbee's report is crap.

Macabbee, a optical physist...who has worked on SDI, and for the friggin Navy.

Nuff said. *Totally* not worth arguing with clueless people.

Gives me a headache.

Well,well. Hello again, y'all.

I knew there would be some new material to look at from the recent UFO Congress. Here's what Michael Horn has to say:

I have just returned from the 15th Annual International UFO Congress Convention & Film Festival, in Laughlin, Nevada, where lead investigator Wendelle Stevens, Christian Frehner (FIGU representative from Switzerland) and I just presented the "Meier Case Update – 2006".

I am delighted to tell you that a new, four-hour, double-DVD set of this presentation has just been completed and is now ready for release – at a special price to my list members – and it’s a perfect companion to "The Meier Contacts" DVD.

Some of the highlights of this comprehensive new presentation include:

• CIA foreknowledge of the investigative team’s (Stevens, Lee and Brit Elders) every step (including their “secret“ travel arrangements) and CIA knowledge of the authenticity of the Meier case

• The existence of photos of the Plejaren UFOs taken by the CIA

• Meier’s detailed description of the murder of Pope Paul VI and his accurate foretelling of the circumstances surrounding the election, brief term – and murder – of the next Pope (John Paul I), as well as the name and circumstances of the then following Pope John Paul II

• A description of Meier’s 11 photographs of the still-to-occur San Francisco earthquake

• Meier’s meetings with Mahatma Ghandi and with numerous world leaders

• Information about Father Zimmerman, the parish priest who was young Meier’s confidant and assisted him with his mission

• The heretofore unrevealed, Indiana Jones-like exploits of Meier in the 1950s and 1960s, including his activities in the Middle East (when he was known as "The Phantom") where he was authorized to apprehend serial killers and mass murderers

• Corroboration (in 2005) of the murder of Vatican banker Roberto Calvi (told to Meier in 1982)

• A list of the names, ages and planets of origin of over 30 of the extraterrestrial people with whom Meier has been in contact

• The devastating psychological damage to one of the Plejaren who observed atrocities during the first Gulf War

• The 11 year-old Plejaren girl’s unique (competition-winning) description of Meier’s mission

• New photographs of the UFOs taken by other people in Switzerland

• Meier’s recent excursions - to Mars and the moon! - including a trek on a Martian volcano and a description of the colors of the sunrise there

• Information about extraterrestrials from the same lineage as Asian earth people

• The "collectibles" of Earth origin owned by the Plejaren

• The identity of the man said to be the great-great grandson of Gabriel, the Plejaren "angel" who was the actual father of Jmmanuel – known to us as "Jesus"

• A report on the dramatic consequences of Ptaah making his UFO visible to three Swiss men who were openly skeptical about Meier’s contacts

• The computer/internet specialist – from the Plejaren system! – who assists Meier and FIGU

• The actual number of "alien abductions" and genuine extraterrestrial contacts according to the Plejaren

Plus:

• More information from both Wendelle and Christian as they reveal details of their unique, first-hand and long-lasting personal involvement with Meier, the witnesses and the evidence in the case

• A post-presentation question and answer period covering many, many more topics of interest!

Wendelle Stevens is one of the original investigators in the case, along with Lee and Brit Elders, private investigators who also funded the investigation and testing of the physical evidence. Christian Frehner (who has also witnessed of the Plejaren UFOs) has been involved with Billy Meier and FIGU since 1982 and both he and Stevens have quite a lot of previously undisclosed, first hand information on this amazing case.

This new, four-hour DVD set will soon be offered at www.theyfly.com at $45 (plus $6 shipping U.S./Canada, $13 Global Priority internationally) but…list members can purchase the set now for only $35, plus shipping! This is more than a 20% ($10) savings over the price to the public!

Forgot to mention, Jeff. "The Amazing Michael Horn" will sell his latest DVD for only $45! (inside joke, but not really. Can you post a link to your poster or re-post it for the benefit of some new folks here?)

Originally posted by vogelfire
• The "collectibles" of Earth origin owned by the Plejaren

Thats right people. Beany Babies.


This one really jumped out at me...I'd love to see what that means. Photos?

Vogel-I have to see if I still have it...might be somewhere on the HD.

Before I sound like one of the "skeptics" here I'd like to say that I've been a fierce defender of certain aspects of the Meier case. Clearly, however, I have been unable to swallow other aspects.

Nonetheless, I would be very interested in seeing and hearing what Wendelle Stevens and Christian Frehner have to present on this latest DVD. As for the several bulleted claims . . . once again, how are they "substantiated?!"

• The heretofore unrevealed, Indiana Jones-like exploits of Meier in the 1950s and 1960s, including his activities in the Middle East (when he was known as "The Phantom") where he was authorized to apprehend serial killers and mass murderers

Absolutely fascinating. First he was on the run from the law, later he became a man of the law. Meier certainly got around. I read that he was also known as Sheik Muhammed Abdullah. How does one become a Sheik? Great stuff for a novel.

I'm stunned. someone defending meier has a vested financial interest ? I would have never guessed.

I'm going to hold out for the mini model of the hubcap saucer, the ray guns, and the tin foil suits. I'd go all the way up to $100 for that package

I just saw a video where they were talking about meier's telekinesis power ( which I didn't know he has) and they said he moved a 700 pounds object. Again, not video just a picture showing what happened after . Now why doesn't he make a video showing something like that? That would it make us goes like WOW!.

Or he can't show his own powers either? because I thought he only can't show the aliens stuff at %100 (nice thinking there lol), but what about his own powers and stuff why can't he show us that in a clear video with witnesses?

Maybe something like that will be shown in the new 4 hours dvd?
I hope in 4 hours they show a concrete proof this time, not just people talking about documents they can't show or photos of objects in the air that shows nada (Thanks to J.R.). It's 2006 now and I don't think anyone will go for a " I have proof but I can't show you" stuff again.
$51 dollars I am imagining a lot piss off people if they buy that and at the end they will be like "Oh not again, where is the proof".

Answer : the aliens said that $51 is not enough to show %100 proof but that the next dvd which will cost $100 will show %100 proof.






[edit on 10-3-2006 by MANNYP4]

[edit on 10-3-2006 by MANNYP4]

Manny, you're absolutely correct. $45 (DVD) + $6 (shipping) = $51.00 Total

Well, I myself don't have the $51.00 handy at the moment and also don't have a DVD (however much that costs): I guess I'm seriously out of the informed loop!

I hope that someone here can keep us enlightened and up to speed.

I'm sure it's somewhere in the 30 pages of this thread, but if you'd like to read where both sides presented some of their best arguments for or against Meier....try here...

Lots of pics, and even some feedback from Meier's spokesman Michael Horn, if I remember correctly....

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I think this discussion on this case is meaningless, because it's simply a endless drag on arguments by people with high conscious awareness who think Meier is trying to convey a message and those debunkers who will debunk anything even Meier invite him for a gallatic ride. They will probably say they are simply dreaming or hallucinating. The debunkers also include people who are jealous of his contacts with the star people, and also people who have to debunk to make a living, or the US state sponsored debunkers, also the peopele who have all their minds shot closed from begining completly for anything that are not taught by their American sociological religious beliefs, these people are living in a awfully small universe.

Once we think discussion is meaningless, we then close our minds, no? Myself, I'd LOVE to believe Meier...but honestly, the evidence is very much against him. (see the thread link if you disagree). I certainly have nothing to gain from "debunking" him, nor am I "jealous". Forget the ride, I'd settle for one convincing photo of him actually INSIDE one of these crafts he claims to have been on so many times, and preferably not with a human alien with five fingers (I believe he claims the aliens had 6, no?) in a gold foil jumpsuit like some of his earlier (confirmed by Meier's camp) photos....

[edit on 10-3-2006 by Gazrok]

Shroom-
If you'd actually read the piece you would have never said

The video is old, grainy, blurry, and doesn't really lend itself to intricate formulas because every number you put up there is a guess to begin with.

The film was actually shot off a tv since that was as close as Meier would allow anyone with real credentials to get to it. The crew were a Japanese film company and they got to witness the popular "wandering trees". Which the Plejarens loath because they either get in the way or vanish when witness' are brought around.

BTW Manny those were great links.

Jeff/Vogel/et. al.

I saved a copy of Jeff's Michael Horn Poster. If you U2U me your email address I will send it to you.

-Derek

Yeah, it clearly show in that link what I wanted to say here for a long time and didn't know how. If anyone see it and don't get it then they must be blind, because I don't know about photos and yet I immediately see that there is something wrong with all meiers photos, which is a person can't fit in those little things.

Here is another sample of deception:

thebiggestsecretpict.online.fr...

Reality:

thebiggestsecretpict.online.fr...

From the site itself:
"This pict (above) is another example of IRREFUTABLE proof of a deception, without any special equipment or software needed to analyze it. Since the "craft" is perfectly in focus ("sharp"), while the car is completely out of focus ("blurry"), to know if this is a hoax or not, all that we need is to answer the following question: is the "craft" in front of the car, or is it behind the car? If it is behind the car, it is definitely a big object. This is the impression Meier intended to create... But if the "craft" is in front of the car, it is definitely a relatively small object, much too small to carry a humanoid of normal size. The object can definitely not be above the car, and be aprox. twice the size of the car, since in that case both the object and the car would be perfectly in focus, which is not the case. With two objects, one being in focus ("sharp") and the other out of focus ("blurry"), while neither shape overlaps the other, it would, with all cirumstances being neutral, be impossible to tell which is in front of the other. However, here it is the light that allows the viewer to determine that the "craft" is really IN FRONT of the car. The reason for that is that the light source is slightly behind the camera, at its left, yet it is the object and NOT the car that is the brightest, and receiving the most light. Therefore, the object MUST be in front of the car (hanging slightly above eye-level), and be significantly smaller to be so much more in focus ("sharper") than the car, and brighter at the same time. There is simply no way to refute this fact... The car is aprox. 4,3m long. We can estimate from the size of the car that the camera is aproximately at +/- 10m distance. Therefore the craft must be at most at 1m to 2m (3.3 tot 6.6 feet) away from the camera. The craft is therefore at most +/- 1,5m (4.9 feet) large! This is in complete accord with the previous analysis, and a perfect corroboration."

Maybe someone can post the photos direclty here because I still don't know how. They explained really good.

It took sheer will and determination to locate Jeff's poster creation, "The Amazing Michael Horn." Check it out here Scroll down a bit. Trust me, you can't miss it

ATS Observers

Evidently, my post above announcing Michael Horn's latest DVD of the Billy Meier case presentation at the recent UFO Conference in Laughlin NV, has resulted in a number of orders of the DVD, according to Michael's latest post on another site.

Hopefully, some (or many) of you who are receiving this new information (i.e. the new DVD) will share or present your views, opinions, or analyses of it here.