The reason why school is bad

School is bad. It is horrible it runs my life. I think people have to go, but they should be tested each year if they have to go to school. No, this test would not be on smartness, but, on common sense and what people would do with their spare time.

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I think that you should have to goto school forever just because you used the word "smartness"....

I do think that after a certain point, school is.. pointles.. right now im actually typing this from in schoo. Last period was math and were talkking about some #w ith finding the equation for a line that is an equlateral bisector to another given line... ok now where is that EVER going to help me in my life? Why spend 80 minutes teaching me something that im goign to use for 10 minutes on the Regents exam and then never look at again? Its a waste of valuable time, its a waste of my time, and its a waste of tax-payers dollars! (10th grade by the way)

edit; Just to point out some more of your errors: "It is horrible it ruins my life." should be "It is horrible; it ruins my life" or "It is horrible! It ruins my life..." then explain WHY....

"I think people have to go, but they..." People do have to go.. trying putting the word "should" in there... well therse a bunch more but i have 3 minutes until my next class so you work on that grammar and go back to english class!


[edit on 11/3/2005 by syberwolff]

What school are we taliking about? High school, College, Grad school.
Hey I hear there are a lot of good colleges in Upstate New York. Yes/ No

This was a pretty broad statement about school; seems alittle dumb to say school overall is pointless and a waste of time. Where would we be without any education system? I do agree that our education is too overrated and over emphasized. I am taking a degree in University; poor and flat broke, eye ball deep in debt; while friends of mine who scraped through high school are out making a good living for themselves. Education is the one rung our lower classes have to hang from in any hopes of moving up the ladder of class. However it is unlikely this will be any usefull to them, I believe in our society today it is less than 1% of lower class peole; rise to a higher class.

So as much as i disagree with your notion that education is useless; I do agree with the fact that it is over emphasized. We all do not have to be another Socrates to improve ourselves and the world we live in.

I dont agree that its pointless but just the stuff that they teach is is of no use to me in my life at ALL

I think this topc needs to be closed... The opening poster didnt really even say much...

Originally posted by polanksi
What school are we taliking about? High school, College, Grad school.

Personally im in high school right now.

Originally posted by polanksi
Hey I hear there are a lot of good colleges in Upstate New York. Yes/ No

There are some pretty good colleges yes. the SUNY colleges are good.

With a title like yours "The reason school is bad", I incorrectly assumed you would actually give a reason.

I have felt like that before, wishing I could just finish now. But try writing a resume with the grammar you displayed in your thread, or try writing a report that never answers the original statement (The reason school is bad is...) and I am afraid you will not be able to find a decent job.

Good luck with that.

---Pineapple

Originally posted by syberwolff
I dont agree that its pointless but just the stuff that they teach is is of no use to me in my life at ALL

Agree with that quote much more; I am in my fourth year of university and taking many sociology courses based on inequality and the thoughts of Marx, Weber, etc. This is the first year i finally feel I am learning something worth while. The years we are packed in a class room, gaining knowledge that will never be applied. I believe our education system should be based more so on the essentials and then information to be applied. IMO anyways.

Please don't take this too personally--this is something that's been a pet peeve of mine since before I graduated high school--but some of the attitudes I've seen in this thread really bug me.

I went through the 13 years of public education, and a couple of years of college, hearing everyone around me say "this is such a waste of time; I'll never use this." That's only true if you let it be true. You get what you put in; it's a waste of time if you waste it. Yeah, they throw something that seems useless at you, like the ever popular "a train leaves station A at 50 mph...". The trick is to find out how you can use it, and that's a much more useful tool than anything the schools will ever directly give you. And that's generally one of the dividing lines between a job that makes a great salary and one where you're asking someone if they want fries.

Put it into a different perspective. Don't think of it as learning how to solve a linear equation, think of it as learning how to logically come to a conclusion. Don't look at your history book as a bunch of dead people who did something way back when, look at what they did, why they did it, and the situation in which they did it.

You're getting an education--most likely for free, although you may be going to a private school for all I know--that kids in many countries can only dream of. Hell, there's plenty of kids in this country that don't have access to good schooling for one reason or another, and they'd probably kill for a chance to figure out that "useless" math problem.

I know I'd sell vital organs to go back and actually pay attention, learn all that useless stuff, and get into a good college so I'd have a good job now. I just floated through doing what I needed to to get by, ended up at a second rate school with no way to really pay for it. You don't want to do that.

Thank you for being critical peanut gallery. The link is there so u LOOK at it!

That is the reason school is bad. Okay look at the link.

CT06,

My apoligies, I did try your link before, and it seemed broken to me (yes, i got the url from the code, I didnt just see the text wasn't a link)

---Pineapple

I did goto that link and i read thorough it and there are some really great points in there but still thats no reason to just come and say "the reason why school is bad" and post a link. you cant just assume that people are going to goto that link.. especialyl when you cant get the code right! Try explaining a bit more about the link, quote some things and put in your oppinion. you dont just say This is the reason school is bad! and post a link thats not how things work.

If you hadnt noticed, when you goto post somethign theres a block of text that says "MEMBERS: Do not simply post news articles in the forums without comment. If you feel inclined to make the board aware of current events,
please post the first paragraph, a link to the entire story, AND your opinion, twist or take on the news item."

Even though its talking about news articles it still applies to your link also.

--- is finished with school...


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sorry dude, but school is necessary and you might as well just go and try to make the best of it

Originally posted by syberwolff
I think that you should have to goto school forever just because you used the word "smartness"....

An epic blast!!!

School sucks and if I could do it over again I wouldn't, but if you want to be a productive member of society, it's a necessity.....................either that or be in a boy band.

Peace

I bet that a freshman high schooler could go to college and have a reall good job instead of going to high school. I am upset with America right now.

Okay average schools take students on their ability to get good grades.

I have seen a Really stupid blonde get A's on tests. Okay, does that mean she gets to be president? I mean I am smarter and I don't get good grades, does that mean I am a janitor?

I found this quote on my yearbook desk (okay you know how there are mods for this site, I am an editor which is basically the same thing, for this yearbook site) and it said this.

Smart minds talk about Ideas

Average minds talk about (I dunno something lol)

Small minds talk about people

I don't know why it was on my desk, it was on noone elses.

Look if your just even here posting on ATS or something I think your smart. Actually everyone here who uses ATS is smart (or BTS, PTS) because they are talking about ideas and are having discussions with other people.
I am a very smart person. Okay I am not an athelete who doesn't care about school. I do not do drugs like a lot of athletes do. I do not to bad things.

My brain is not

Originally posted by Dr Love

Originally posted by syberwolff
I think that you should have to goto school forever just because you used the word "smartness"....

An epic blast!!!

School sucks and if I could do it over again I wouldn't, but if you want to be a productive member of society, it's a necessity.....................either that or be in a boy band.

Peace

please dear god stay in school; we have witnessed the death of the boy band. lets keep it like that.

Originally posted by Conspiracy Theorist06
I bet that a freshman high schooler could go to college and have a reall good job instead of going to high school. I am upset with America right now.

Okay average schools take students on their ability to get good grades.

I have seen a Really stupid blonde get A's on tests. Okay, does that mean she gets to be president? I mean I am smarter and I don't get good grades, does that mean I am a janitor?

I found this quote on my yearbook desk (okay you know how there are mods for this site, I am an editor which is basically the same thing, for this yearbook site) and it said this.

Smart minds talk about Ideas

Average minds talk about (I dunno something lol)

Small minds talk about people

I don't know why it was on my desk, it was on noone elses.

Look if your just even here posting on ATS or something I think your smart. Actually everyone here who uses ATS is smart (or BTS, PTS) because they are talking about ideas and are having discussions with other people.
I am a very smart person. Okay I am not an athelete who doesn't care about school. I do not do drugs like a lot of athletes do. I do not to bad things.

My brain is not

This is actually my recent post but it got bumped up cause i posted it after chissler

School is 'bad'? Absolute rubbish. Education is essential and while one believe that the subjects taught are irrelevant, nothing could be further from the truth. There is a massive library of human knowledge gleaned throughout the centuries and schools are the medium to impart this knowledge on young minds.

However, education is not just about cramming your head full of 'useless' knowledge that you may or may not use later in life. Nor is it merely about going from High School/University to a Career. Instead, education is a training process - you are not merely studing knowledge you are training yourself to think critically/analytically/creatively/logically (depending on which subjects you are being taught).

Yes, too much attention in schools in placed upon grades and some people know how to pass tests while others don't. Unfortunately this is a fact of life and doesn't change in school, or even when you get a job (people are 'marked' on their sales performances, or yearly appraisals etc etc.) Also, schools can be dry and grey places that can suck away your soul. The trick is not to let them.

Also, some of the other points raised about schools in the link you posted are valid. However, this does not invalidate the whole process. One can pick holes in everything - yoy could write something very similar as to why 'democracy sucks' or why 'capitalism sucks' (and indeed many people have) but ultimately one has to look at the alternatives. Is the education system (like democracy/capitalism etc) perfect? No, not by a long stretch. It can improve but more importantly it is the product of many many years of compromise, reform and change. The US schooling system - like the British schooling system - is generally effective, albeit flawed. No alternative has been proposed that appears to be a better solution so we stick to the system in place, tweaking it here and there.

Yes, there are many flaws in the schooling process. There are inequalities for instance between inner city schools and suburban schools; further education should be a true meritocracy (ie. free); there should be less emphasis on grades and tests etc. but in general the system is a good one.

At the very least, the schooling system is part of our society so you have to live with it. Think of it as a computer game - you need to pass this level to reach the next. Without a high school diploma you will find it very difficult to get a decent job, let alone get into university (which is pretty much essential if you want to get the really good jobs).

Even so, while school is a necessary evil, education is a privilege. Universal free education up to the age of 18 is a relatively modern concept and like the right to vote should not be taken for granted. Education and schools ultimately lead to greater independence and freedom - intellectually as well as economically and even politically. It is perhaps a cliche but knowledge truly is power.

[edit on 16-11-2005 by kedfr]

kedfr brings up really good poitns btu there are some thigns about school that he is missing (or purposly leaving out... i doubt that but its a possibility). School trains you to be 'normalized'. School takes your individuality, tears it to shreds, and throws it in a dumpster. The reason they have som many pointless rules (no drinks in study halls, no music in study halls or in the halls, etc.) is to train you for when you get a job. They train you to listen and do what your told to do. Training you to be an employee. The ones who truly rebel and the ones who truly lead the way are the ones who will end up being the big leaders of the world, or even just a manager, but the fact is, they have the ability to lead, and the school helps further their ability by taking everyone else and forcing them to develop the ability to follow. Parents always tell children to be a leader and not a follower. pave your own path, dont follow someone elses. But with the modern schooling system that is almost impossible.

Along with shredding each students individuality, they also stomp all over creativity. Dress codes: clothing is not only for warmth and protetion it has developed into a way to show everyone around you who you are, and with a dress code restricting this our individuality, and creativity are gone. Uniforms are another way this is happening. Thankfully my school doesnt have uniforms (although they have been considering this.. i know that if they do they will have some HUGE studen revolts on their hands) But for the schools that do have uniforms they take away the rights of the student to express themselves.

Another bad thign about school is fighting: Nobody wants fighting we all know this, but by trying to stop it all your going to do is make it worse. Anger is an emotion and no matter how hard you want to try you cannot stop emotions. Nature is not somethign that you can go against and plan to win. And they dont even offer ways to help you resolve anger. and the ways they do are childish, and embarassing. Sitting down with a guidance councelor and the other person and "talking about whats bothering you" is not by any small chance something a teenager wants to do! No teenagers solve probelms by talking anymore, they solve it by action. Were in a new age and the schools just cannot adapt to fit the psychological needs of the children they are dealing with... and noone gets it!!!

Ok im done with my rants...

This has been another epsiode of "Rants from a 16 year old..." wow i should put that in my signature

Originally posted by syberwolff
School trains you to be 'normalized'. School takes your individuality, tears it to shreds, and throws it in a dumpster. The reason they have som many pointless rules (no drinks in study halls, no music in study halls or in the halls, etc.) is to train you for when you get a job. They train you to listen and do what your told to do. Training you to be an employee. The ones who truly rebel and the ones who truly lead the way are the ones who will end up being the big leaders of the world, or even just a manager, but the fact is, they have the ability to lead, and the school helps further their ability by taking everyone else and forcing them to develop the ability to follow. Parents always tell children to be a leader and not a follower. pave your own path, dont follow someone elses. But with the modern schooling system that is almost impossible.

Schools are about socialising students. Unfortunately, societal freedoms are usually at the expense of personal freedoms.

Moreover, schools are highly regulated and restrictive for a reason - teenagers are among the most rebellious element of a society. They do not have an economic stake in society (for the most part they don't have jobs/mortgages/dependents) making them more likely to turn to react against society. Moreover, when you consider that teens have little or no political or economic power and are physically hormonal anyway, it makes for a potent combination. It is no accident that the recent French riots were composed of largely disillusioned youths. Nor is it an accident that apprentice riots (usually composed of teenages) were common in Medieval and Early Modern Europe.

Bearing this in mind, schools are run much as prisons or the military is run - with a strong emphasis on discipline (although obviously not to the same degree as the armed forces/prison). Unfortunately a side effect of this is that creativity and self-expression is diminished. However, schools are intended to produce socially responsible people and this is felt to be a necessary eveil.

As for those who truly rebel? I'd like to say that schools should always respect children's opinions and should nurture argument and debate but experience teaches me otherwise. Often the truly rebellious children are those who are intelligent and possess inquisitive minds and yet get bored easily. Good teachers will stretch them and make them think harder. Bad teachers will not.

However, 'modern' schooling gives children far more possibilities for self-expression than in the past. Think back to Victorian (or even schools in the 1950s) where teaching was far more regemented, corporal punishment common and creativity frowned upon.

Even so, the truly creative and the truly rebellious find ways to thrive. If it didn't, then there would be no artists or revolutionaries or original thinkers. If anything, school has been an inspiration to countless music/literature/art etc. Look at Supertramp's 'Logical Song' or 'School' for instance.

Along with shredding each students individuality, they also stomp all over creativity. Dress codes: clothing is not only for warmth and protetion it has developed into a way to show everyone around you who you are, and with a dress code restricting this our individuality, and creativity are gone. Uniforms are another way this is happening. Thankfully my school doesnt have uniforms (although they have been considering this.. i know that if they do they will have some HUGE studen revolts on their hands) But for the schools that do have uniforms they take away the rights of the student to express themselves.

I went to a school that had a uniform. It's not too bad as you end up not caring about what you wear on a daily basis - as all kids have uniforms it doesn't really become an issue. Maybe this is what they want you to think like - however, I wear a suit to work every day and I hate it. You end up accepting it. It is one of the saddest days of your life when you stop fighting and just start accepting things like this.

Even so, kids will adapt uniforms as much as they possibly can. They will stretch the boundaries of uniform to still express themselves as much as possible. All elements of 'official' culture are eventually undermined by 'popular' culture.

Another bad thign about school is fighting: Nobody wants fighting we all know this, but by trying to stop it all your going to do is make it worse. Anger is an emotion and no matter how hard you want to try you cannot stop emotions. Nature is not somethign that you can go against and plan to win. And they dont even offer ways to help you resolve anger. and the ways they do are childish, and embarassing. Sitting down with a guidance councelor and the other person and "talking about whats bothering you" is not by any small chance something a teenager wants to do! No teenagers solve probelms by talking anymore, they solve it by action. Were in a new age and the schools just cannot adapt to fit the psychological needs of the children they are dealing with... and noone gets it!!!

Do you really suggest that kids should be encouraged to sort out their differences with physical violence? This ultimately leads to increased violence in society when they leave school - and society is already plenty violent as it is and you can be sure that many disputes will be resolved at the end of a gun, not just with fists.

However, this does not mean that all experiences of children throughout the ages are universal. I actually think that teens of today do live in a world that is different to their parents - but in many cases this has always been the case: there was a massive generation gap in the 60s for instance.

Anger is an emotion but it is important to control it, or you'll end up turning to the Dark Side...