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HMS Invincible sunk in 1982

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posted on Sep, 8 2005 @ 02:37 AM
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Originally posted by TheIrishDuck
And if you compare a really aircraftcarrier like one of the USS Navy, Invincible was a boat.


Easy to destroy, easy to build


I'll say, if you can work out what Tamiya's instructions say!

HMAS Invincible:
Displacement 20,300 tonnes
Complement 725 Ship's company
365 Air wing
906 RMs (wartime)

USS Tarawa class
Light displacement 26,255 tons
Full displacement 39,925 tons (40,563.8 tonnes)
Dead weight 13670 tons

So the Tarawa is only twice the size of HMAS Invincible (when fully loaded) and that's only because the Marines have a 300 bed hospital and space for an LCAC in their "boat". It still only carries six (SIX!?! count 'em: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6!) Harriers.

Say, how are you going to keep the 1,996 people on board Invincible (not counting press) quiet when she springs a leak?

Row, row, row your...through-deck cruiser?...gently down the...




posted on Sep, 8 2005 @ 03:19 AM
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North Americans do their job fast? That's got to be one of the most absurd statements I've seen yet by you. Do you have any idea how long it takes to build ships? Good lord.

USS Rhode Island SSBN 726. Ohio Class Ballistic Missile Submarine. Award date-01/05/1988. Keel Date-09/15/1988. Launch Date-07/17/1993. Delivery Date-06/22/1994. That's just under 5 years from laying the keel to hitting the water, with an aditional year for trials.

USS Arleigh Burke DDG 51. Guided Missile Destroyer. Award date-04/02/1985. Keel date-12/06/1988. Launch date-09/16/1989. Delivery date-04/29/1991. Three years from awarding the contract to laying the keel, with just under a year to hit the water, and two years for trials.

USS San Antonio LPD 17. Amphibious Transport Dock. Award date-12/17/1996. Keel date-12/09/2000. Launch date-07/12/2003. Four years from award of contract to laying the keel. Three years from layin gthe keel to hitting the water. Still not delivered to active service.

USS Ronald Regan CVN 76. Multi-Purpose Aircraft Carrier (Nuclear Propulsion)
Award date-12/08/1994. Keel date-02/12/1998. Launch date-03/10/2001. Delivery date-06/20/2003. Four years to lay the hull, three years to build, and two years for sea trials.

www.nvr.navy.mil...

And just for the record, not cut and pasted, just copied.


Oops, I just noticed that the Arleigh Burke was laid down several years after she launched. My bad.


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posted on Sep, 8 2005 @ 09:00 AM
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its not like WW2 where we can build ships in 7 days. i dont remember how long it took to build a hundred aircraft carriers but that was WW2 and during the Cold War our industry was downsized for civilian instead of military so we build carriers that took more time like 3 to 5 years.


M6D

posted on Sep, 8 2005 @ 10:50 AM
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And where would britain get the money from? the whole point of hte invincible class was because we couldnt afford oru older carriers anymore and had to downsize to useing harriers which of course before the falklands werent that generally well regarded, we couldnt just pull the money for a new carrier out of our backsides you know :p britains economic climate makes it hard to keep up our millitary, as it is we have to downsize.



posted on Sep, 8 2005 @ 11:01 AM
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if R05 HMS Invincible was not sunk...

because the command of the fleet from July 4 to August 26 of 1982 was transferred to the HMS Bristol?


M6D

posted on Sep, 8 2005 @ 11:04 AM
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You know, that just made no sense at all, how bout you rephrase it?



posted on Sep, 8 2005 @ 11:05 AM
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In less than two years you have:

IWO JIMA: Built by Puget Sound Navy Yard. Laid down 2 April 1959, launched 17 Sept 1960, commissioned 29 Aug 1961.



OKINAWA Built by Philadelphia Navy Yard. Laid down 1 April 1960, launched 14 Aug 1961, commissioned 14 April 1962.


GUADALCANAL Built by Philadelphia Navy Yard. Laid down 1 Sept 1961, launched 16 March 1963, commissioned 20 July 1963.


GUAM Built by Philadelphia Navy Yard. Laid down 15 Nov 1962, launched 22 Aug 1964, commissioned 16 Jan 1965.


TRIPOLI Built by Litton Ingalls. Laid down 15 June 1964, launched 31 July 1956, commissioned 6 Aug 1966.

here more:

www.hazegray.org...


5 years?? ahahaha





posted on Sep, 8 2005 @ 11:06 AM
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That was also over 40 years ago....the first invincible carrier hadnt even been MADE by then!


M6D

posted on Sep, 8 2005 @ 11:10 AM
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LOL! caught out AGAIN! not to mention they didnt have our parts to produce the ship! no known plans! theyd of had to of set up to produce first!

and answer the question, how did britain pay for it huh?



posted on Sep, 8 2005 @ 11:15 AM
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40 years ago...
not exist movil telephones
not exist internet as you know today
and for yours... not exist AMM 39 Exocet, Argentinian Air and Naval Forces.



M6D

posted on Sep, 8 2005 @ 11:17 AM
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heh..and that was relevant because?

ooh..guess what buddy..you want to be like that? guess what, as of today your air force is even smaller, and so is your navy :p youd still have no chance mate, so i wouldnt laugh.



posted on Sep, 8 2005 @ 11:19 AM
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Originally posted by M6D
LOL! caught out AGAIN! not to mention they didnt have our parts to produce the ship! no known plans! theyd of had to of set up to produce first!

and answer the question, how did britain pay for it huh?



haha Britain always have the money to do everything, and may be USA help them.



posted on Sep, 8 2005 @ 11:24 AM
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Originally posted by TheIrishDuck
haha Britain always have the money to do everything,

Thats why we are having budget cuts?


and may be USA help them.

Why would america pay for a new carrier?


M6D

posted on Sep, 8 2005 @ 11:25 AM
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Wow! if we seirously have the money for EVERYTHING why are we having to lay of people in the army?



posted on Sep, 8 2005 @ 11:27 AM
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Originally posted by devilwasp

Originally posted by TheIrishDuck
haha Britain always have the money to do everything,

Thats why we are having budget cuts?


and may be USA help them.

Why would america pay for a new carrier?



Oh it´s stupid this, i don´t have time to answer that question.



posted on Sep, 8 2005 @ 11:28 AM
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Originally posted by TheIrishDuck

Originally posted by devilwasp

Originally posted by TheIrishDuck
haha Britain always have the money to do everything,

Thats why we are having budget cuts?


and may be USA help them.

Why would america pay for a new carrier?



Oh it´s stupid this, i don´t have time to answer that question.




its not time you dont have..its proof


M6D

posted on Sep, 8 2005 @ 12:17 PM
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haha so hes trying to say he knows more about our own country then we do?! that IS luaghable! hey guys, apprently we're witholding some secret stash we must use for occasions where we need to pull a couple of billion outta our asses!



posted on Sep, 8 2005 @ 11:14 PM
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Originally posted by TheIrishDuck

Originally posted by devilwasp

Originally posted by TheIrishDuck
haha Britain always have the money to do everything,

Thats why we are having budget cuts?


and may be USA help them.

Why would america pay for a new carrier?




Oh it´s stupid this, i don´t have time to answer that question.




What about spam...er, troll, baked beans, egg and spam, I mean, troll? That's not got much troll in it.

- Can I have the troll, baked beans, egg and spam, I mean, troll without any troll?

What, no spam, I mean troll? Yech!

Troll, troll, troll, troll
Troll, troll, troll, troll
Troll, troll, troll, troll
TROLLLLL, it's wonderful troll, it's wonderful troll!

- Shut up! Shut up, I don't like spam..er, troll!

Troll, troll, troll, troll
Troll, troll, troll, troll...



posted on Sep, 9 2005 @ 12:07 AM
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Let's play devils advocate here. In 1977 Litton Ingalls Shipyard had 25,000 workers. Let's say in 1982 they're starting to downsize. Keep in mind now hat these are NOT official figures, except the 25,000 in 1977, they're just to make a point. So, they're downsizing in 1982, let's say they cut 5,000 workers. Out of the 20,000 left, let's say 17,000 are working at building ships. Out of those 17,000 figure 3/4ths of them or about 14,000 know every ship being built, the people that sign the contracts would know all the ships, and management would know all the ships being built there. Now you REALLY expect us to believe that ALL the journalists, ALL the surviving crew members, and the literally THOUSANDS of shipyard workers are going to keep quiet for over TWENTY YEARS?



posted on Sep, 9 2005 @ 12:17 AM
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Ohh my god !!

Here is a official photo of the ship the 17/9/82





And here is a official photo of the R06 HMS Illustrious




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