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HMS Invincible sunk in 1982

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posted on Sep, 6 2005 @ 10:10 AM
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My latests and separated data is here:
www.hazegray.org...

Is the Tatcher´s official history about HMS-Invincible

The real history, in the secrets UK archives until end off the 21 century is:

R05 HMS-Invincible, lost in Falklands (Malvinas) 30/5/82

R06 HMS Illustrious, Laid down 7 Oct 1976, launched 14 Dec 1978, commissioned 20 June 1982. Sail to Falklands in June 1982.

R07 (ex Indomitable, ex Ark Royal) Laid down 14 Dec 1978, launched 4 June 1981 and commisioned in secret in August 1982, as HMS-Invincible

R08 Ark Royal, builld in secret in USA (Litton Ingalls, as possible) Laid down 1982, trials 10/1984, commissioned 1 Nov 1985.

I love the UK´s simphonic rock. Is one of the best music in the human history, but Tatcher & Woodward & Black & Ward, are simple liers.




posted on Sep, 6 2005 @ 10:11 AM
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Well to counter this persons claims :

In 1982 , Black Buck Operational mission # 03 was successfully completed . A single Blue Steel missile was fired at a range of 250 miles , armed on route and detonated above Buenos Aires destroying the city completely , the evidence that this occured was countered by the CIA and MI5 as they stated an underground test was conducted at the same time, thus explaining the shock wave , and the french also conducted an atmospheric test as well.This was to cover up the 3rd ever war use of a nuclear bomb.

The proof is on the internet `55heroes` and `theirishduck` - you find it , as i cannot be bothered.



posted on Sep, 6 2005 @ 10:28 AM
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The three carriers in the 1989´s photo are:

R07, Made in Swan Hunter (UK)renamed as R05 HMS Invincible, with the 86/89 refit

R06 HMS Illustrious Made in Swan Hunter (UK), without refit

R08 Made in USA, HMS Ark Royal, without refits, but all towers repainted to black.
(as your two british sisters R06 and R07, repainted towers to black in 1985)

Is the real history
Nobody can believe that a carrier, was saling 3 months after end of the war.
But, never was the admiral´s ship of the task force, until the false return 17/9/82.

The admiral´s ship in Falklands were
HMS Hermes
HMS Bristol
HMS Illustrious

Never the HMS Invincible...why??



posted on Sep, 6 2005 @ 10:55 AM
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Originally posted by 55heroes
this post is referred the collapse of the sunk of HMS Invincible R05.


When You they find proof sufficient to shut up to me, i will open post about the ARA General Belgrano. Thanks for its interest in the subject.


Oh please please please do, on second thoughts, let me do it for you.

General Belgrano Not Sunk - Greatest ever naval deception played on stupid half witted Royal Navy

Little did you know that the General Belgrano was not sunk in the falklands war, instead it was a great deception to turn worldwide opinion against the United Kingdom. It was actually two patriotic volunteers, Manuel and Miguel in a five foot inflatable dinghy, with a carefully crafted cardboard silhouette stuck to the outsides. After the sinking, Manuel was lost, but Miguel was rescued and now makes his living making Whicker Donkeys and mumbling to himself. The real Belgrano today sits in Buenos Aries harbour and like the rest of the Navy that day, was not allowed out into the Atlantic in case it got too cold and wet !

You lost, we won, stop dishonouring the memory of all the brave men that died on both sides by perpetuating this cr*p !!!



posted on Sep, 6 2005 @ 11:01 AM
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Has anyone noticed that when this started it was the R 06 ILLUSTRIOUS that became the R 05 Invincible, but now it's the R 07 Ark Angel that became the Invincible?



posted on Sep, 6 2005 @ 11:13 AM
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Originally posted by Zaphod58
Has anyone noticed that when this started it was the R 06 ILLUSTRIOUS that became the R 05 Invincible, but now it's the R 07 Ark Angel that became the Invincible?


both are correct, we don´t know yet, but we know INVINCIBLE 05 SUNK IN MALVINAS WITH AN EXOCET AND TWO BOMBS, dropped by two aircraft of the Korean war


That´s pathetic, and not only a ship, seven ships more were destroyed.

Brits can only post the photo of Belgrano


[edit on 6-9-2005 by TheIrishDuck]



posted on Sep, 6 2005 @ 11:26 AM
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doesnt matter how many pics u post of yer glorious battles. the result in the end is the most important, and i seem to recall that Britain have retaken the islands. so wat is Argentina gonna bragg about. "yeah we lost to the Brits and it was intentional so we dont make the Brits cry".


M6D

posted on Sep, 6 2005 @ 11:31 AM
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haha he still fails to answer how if they sunk the invincible why the hell we wouldnt sink theyre whole damn navy, Trust me, Britain WOULD do such a thing, yo sink our carrier, we sink yours, and we'd MAKE SURE youd know about it, no way youd get away with a carrier kill, and then, dont give me some bul crap about you stopping our nuclear subs from striking, our nuclear subs were shadowing BOTH of your ships, and you didnt even know about it, we could of EASILY taken your ships out even in harbouror in your teritorial waters.



posted on Sep, 6 2005 @ 11:32 AM
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Originally posted by deltaboy
doesnt matter how many pics u post of yer glorious battles. the result in the end is the most important, and i seem to recall that Britain have retaken the islands. so wat is Argentina gonna bragg about. "yeah we lost to the Brits and it was intentional so we dont make the Brits cry".


so?

we are not talking here about who won the war, we are talking about the Invincible.
That UK is a BIG LIER.


M6D

posted on Sep, 6 2005 @ 11:39 AM
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And considering your country, Argentina lost, theyre BIGGER liars.



posted on Sep, 6 2005 @ 11:43 AM
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Remember the HMS-Dasher affaire.

It's a British affaire.



posted on Sep, 6 2005 @ 11:44 AM
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the only surviving picture of the destruction of Buenos Aires by Black Buck mission #3.



posted on Sep, 6 2005 @ 11:45 AM
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Originally posted by TheIrishDuck
both are correct, we don´t know yet, but we know INVINCIBLE 05 SUNK IN MALVINAS WITH AN EXOCET AND TWO BOMBS, dropped by two aircraft of the Korean war


That´s pathetic, and not only a ship, seven ships more were destroyed.

Brits can only post the photo of Belgrano


[edit on 6-9-2005 by TheIrishDuck]

And what where the bombs?
3 kilo ton nuclear warheads?



posted on Sep, 6 2005 @ 11:55 AM
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They Were Never Told. The Tragedy of HMS Dasher

By

John Steele & Noreen Steele



HMS DasherThe afternoon of Saturday 27 March 1943 saw one of the biggest Royal Navy catastrophes in home waters. The tragedy was compounded by secrecy, including the failure to advise any of the relatives where their sons, husbands and brothers lay. The casualty list ranks along with HMS Royal Oak and HMS Hampshire in the three greatest tragedies in British home waters.

On the Clyde Estuary, between Ardrossan and the Isle of Arran, the American converted aircraft carrier HMS Dasher was on voyage. Half a mile away were two small cargo ships, the Lithium and the Cragsman.

The aircraft attached to HMS Dasher had successfully completed a full days “Take off and landing exercises.”

HMS Dasher

At 4 40 pm, Captain L.A.K. Boswell announced over the ship’s tannoy that shore leave was being granted on arrival at Greenock. The estimated time of arrival was 6pm.The off-duty crew were below deck. Some were having a wash and a shave in preparation for a night ashore.

Suddenly there was a horrendous explosion, the officer of the watch was heard to say “Crikey, look at that” Captain Boswell looked in astonishment as he saw the aircraft lift, weighing two tons, soaring high in the sky, perfectly horizontal. It reached a height of about 18 metres (60 feet) then plunged down into the sea. Thick black smoke and searing flames were billowing out from the lift shaft.

To find out what was happening Lieutenant Commander E.W.E. Lane made his way quickly to the second deck along the port ally way. The ship was in darkness with debris everywhere. He heard water pouring in and looked down a hatch to the third deck where he saw three feet of water.

The aircraft carrier keeled over then righted itself. Below deck all lights went out and all machinery including the main engine stopped. Dasher immediately started to sink by the stern. The 528 men onboard knew the ship was mortally wounded. They had minutes to get themselves to the hanger deck or the flight deck; from where they could jump off the ship into the water.
Follow this link for information about the Secrets of HMS Dasher

HMS Dasher was sinking rapidly at the stern with the bow rising out of the water. Petty Officer Jack Verlaque had joined the ship in America and therefore knew his way around. Quickly he raced to the aircraft hanger. A small group of his shipmates were following him. On reaching the hanger, they heard the sound of ammunition exploding. This was the ammunition for the aircraft guns. The intense heat from the many fires now spreading throughout the hanger were igniting thousands of rounds of ammunition. Jack and the group frantically made their way to the flight deck and jumped into the cold waters of the Clyde.

Tom Dawson was on duty as the wheelman in the wheelhouse with the Bosun’s mate, Danny McCartney. They heard a dull thud and all the lights on the fire control panel flashed, indicating various fires throughout the ship. 30 seconds later all the lights on the panel went out. There was complete silence.

Danny went out to investigate. Tom remained at his post with his hands firmly gripped on the wheel. As he looked ahead he glanced at a paper cut-out pinned to the bulkhead from a piece of a string. Danny returned and said, “I think the ship is going down by the stern” At that point Tom noticed the paper cut-out was coming away from the bulkhead. “I think we ought to go,” said Tom

Together Tom and Danny jumped into the water. When they surfaced Tom got tangled in a rope and it took some time to free himself. Meantime, Danny was swimming towards a float-a-net completely unaware of Tom’s predicament. (Danny perished)

Sub Lieutenant John Ferrier reached the flight deck at the same time as Sub Lieutenant John McFarlane. Both men were from Greenock. They were joined by two other Sub Lieutenants, Trevor Buxton and Frank Tetlow

“What will we do?” said John McFarlane. “I will show you,” John Ferrier replied. John had jumped off two previous Royal Navy ships. One had been mined, the other torpedoed. The four men jumped together into the cold water. When John Ferrier surfaced he saw a biscuit tin, which had come off a lifeboat. He swam towards it and clung on. (His three shipmates perished)

Hundreds of men were now swimming in the water. The few who could not swim were being heroically helped. They were all frantically swimming as far away from Dasher to avoid being pulled under. Men were still jumping overboard as the bow of the ship rose higher and higher, pointing towards the sky. A pilotless Sea Hurricane slid down the flight deck and toppled overboard.

Petty Officer Jack Verlaque heard those still on board screaming as HMS Dasher sank beneath the waves.

At the time of the explosion a Royal Navy rescue operation had swung into action.

HMS Sir Galahad, four miles north of the survivors and HMS Isle of Sark, five miles south, responded immediately to the explosion and the high poll of smoke. Three minesweepers from HMS Fortitude (Ardrossan Harbour) hsd already departed. Royal Navy ships also departed from Lamlash and Brodick, Isle of Arran. All the ships were sailing at full speed.
Follow this link for information about the HMS Dasher Association

As the survivors bobbed at the top of a wave they could see the rescue ships coming. Unfortunately, diesel oil and engine oil seeped to the surface from Dasher. One of the survivors shouted to his pal, “You look as if you come from Africa” “So do you” was the reply. In an effort to maintain moral Lieutenant Commander Lane swam from group to group, shouting, “Don’t worry lads it will be all right”

Two small groups of survivors started singing, even though they knew they were swimming among Dashers seventy five thousand gallons of diesel “What’s that smell?” someone shouted. “It’s aviation spirit, the aviation tanks must have burst as well” came the reply.

One group comprised of a Carly Float full of men and a number of men in the water hanging on to the float. Strong swimmers like Lieutenant Philip Culmer (later Captain Culmer DSO and Bar) were swimming beside it. The total number in the group was about eighty. Suddenly the sea caught fire, the fierce heat swept rapidly among the survivors, it was heading for the Carly Float. Lieutenant Philip Culmer took a deep breath and swam underwater for as long as possible. When he resurfaced there was no one left alive, they were all gone.

At the sight of the flames each Commanding Officer on the Royal Navy warships gave the command: “Stop Engine!” The rescue ships lowered their lifeboats and the crew of each small boat rowed as hard as possible.

The two small cargo ships, Lithium and the Cragsman, kept sailing at full speed. Both disappeared from view, into the smoke and flames. For some survivors, the cold waters of the Clyde took their toll, hypothermia had set in. For other poor souls, the rescuers had them by the hand trying to pull them onboard, but the oil smeared on the survivor’s hands loosened the grip between them. As the grip came loose the survivor was swept away. Out of the heat and smoke, the cragsman miracously reappeared with fourteen survivors. The Lithium, an ICI vessel, loaded with 300 ton of Sulphur could be seen emerging from the dark poll of smoke. It was fully laden, with sixty survivors!

The lifeboats from the Royal Navy ships were soon at the scene, pulling men out of the water. As darkness fell, the rescuers operation ceased.

The casualty list was high, very high. 379 men had perished. All rescue ships, except one, were ordered to proceed to Ardrossan. The Isle of Sark sailed to Greenock with her precious cargo of survivors. Before arriving at Greenock three of the survivors perished onboard.

Such was the secrecy imposed, even to this day families are finding out for the first time what happened to their loved ones.

“They Were Never Told. The Tragedy of HMS Dasher” is the sequel to the Tragedy of HMS Dasher, which sold out twice

This is a gripping tale of secrecy and intrigue. It is also a story of loves lost, brushes with death, near misses and tragic ends. Of loyalty, sacrifices, heroism and survivors true accounts.

Many original statements from those caught up in the disaster; a full examination of the official Board of Enquiry's report into the possible causes of the Dasher's loss, including new evidence which challenges the official version of events: original photographs never before seen.

Signed copies £14.99 available from the authors, Noreen and John Steele. Tel & Fax 01294 464917. 104 Eglinton Road, Ardrossan. Scotland. KA22 8NN

Email: johnsteele.hmsdasher@ntlworld.com



Hurricane landing on Dasher



posted on Sep, 6 2005 @ 11:59 AM
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Dasher
ex merchant Rio de Janeiro
D37
USN BAVG 5
Photos: [Dasher as converted]

Built by Sun Shipbuilding. Laid down 14 March 1940, launched 12 April 1941. Acquired by USN 20 May 1941. Converted at Tietjen & Lang, transferred to RN and commissioned in RN service as HMS Dasher (D37) 2 July 1942.

Participated in Operation Torch and saw limited service as convoy escort. Sunk by explosion during aircraft refueling in the Firth Of Clyde 27 March 1943.



posted on Sep, 6 2005 @ 12:04 PM
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Shall we continue with the discusion of how in WW2 Argentina were trying to repair the Graf Spee and supported Nazi Germany in all her war efforts? or do you wish to ignore that one as well as the nuking of BA?


M6D

posted on Sep, 6 2005 @ 12:05 PM
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I really gotta tell ya somthing, guess what, that was 1943, things change over several years guys, hope you kinda figure that one out.



posted on Sep, 6 2005 @ 02:08 PM
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Originally posted by 55heroes
The three carriers in the 1989´s photo are:

R07, Made in Swan Hunter (UK)renamed as R05 HMS Invincible, with the 86/89 refit

R06 HMS Illustrious Made in Swan Hunter (UK), without refit

R08 Made in USA, HMS Ark Royal, without refits, but all towers repainted to black.
(as your two british sisters R06 and R07, repainted towers to black in 1985)

Is the real history
Nobody can believe that a carrier, was saling 3 months after end of the war.
But, never was the admiral´s ship of the task force, until the false return 17/9/82.

The admiral´s ship in Falklands were
HMS Hermes
HMS Bristol
HMS Illustrious

Never the HMS Invincible...why??







M6D

posted on Sep, 6 2005 @ 02:10 PM
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Because she wasnt completely outfitted, and lacked an experianced crew who had yet to get familiarised with the ship, please, use common sense.



posted on Sep, 6 2005 @ 02:27 PM
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Originally posted by M6D
Because she wasnt completely outfitted, and lacked an experianced crew who had yet to get familiarised with the ship, please, use common sense.


that´s answer is stupid.

You should use common sense.


And if i were you i´ll read something more about this topic because you don´t know nothing and insult without sense.




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