Americas Third World War

The part that worries me the most about this is the way it seems the government has been waging a kind of war against its own people since the opening salvos were fired at Kent State on May 4, 1970.

Kent State Massacre

The factions that seek to turn the US into a fascist state have seemingly been slowly gaining strength in this silent and largely unreported 'war of terror', more and more so since they and their minions pulled off 9/11, and their international counterparts executed 3/11 in Spain and 7/7 in England.

Wow thats alot of deaths, wonder how they kept it so quiet.

Souljah on the march!

The question as I understand it, is: "Do the CIA's secret actions imply that America has covertly waged a war against the poorest citizens of the world." ...The answer to that question is unequivocally, yes.

Mind you, this is not "war" in the terms we Americans like to fantasize about war (honorable, facing a worthy opponent, etc) no, these actions are more like bullying.

Checking into Monsanto and their Vietnam defoliants (and the lawsuits, deformed babies that resulted) will confirm a very high-level knowledge of how disposable those native asians were (along with the GIs ordered to kill them). I'm not saying Vietnam would have been better off under the communists but at least the millions dead and deformed would have been better off, right? There's 50,000 Americans who'd be better off also, methinks (unless you believe Vietnam going socialist/communist would have caused America's downfall... hmmm...) Check with your local diabetic Vietnam vet and ask him what he thinks.

Look, I'm an American, and I am aware of the wonderful lip-service of our founding documents, but if you do the research, you'll find that our leaders have covertly held an agenda to destabilize the poor of the world, particularly those who sat on top of resources desired by us.

Here's what Wikipedia says about John Stockwell:

John Stockwell

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

John R. Stockwell is a former CIA agent who became a critic of United States government policies after serving in the Agency for 12 years serving seven tours of duty. As Station Chief of the Angola Task Force, he is the highest-ranking CIA agent to ever leave the agency and go public.

Born to a Texan Engineer in Zaire in 1937, Stockwell attended a Presbyterian school in Lubondai before going on to study at the University of Texas. Fluent in both Tshiluba and Swahili, he was sent to help quell Lumumba's uprising in the Congo shortly after joining the United States Marine Corps.

Beginning his career in 1964, Stockwell spent six years in Africa before being transferred to Vietnam to oversee Tay Ninh. By 1975 he was overseeing covert operations inside Angola where he was awarded the CIA Medal of Merit.

In December of 1976 he resigned his post, citing contempt for the methods employed by the CIA in targetting the Popular Movement for the Liberation of Angola. Two years later he wrote the expose In Search of Enemies, and began giving speeches denouncing the government's use of torture.

Fairly hard to argue this guy's credibility, I'd say. Watch the video at Souljah's link and make your own decisions.

"It is the function of the CIA to keep the world unstable, and to propagandize and teach the American people to hate, so we will let the Establishment spend any amount of money on arms." -John Stockwell

"Enemies are necessary for the wheels of the U.S. military machine to turn." -John Stockwell

"Short, successful military adventures are as effective as the Super Bowl in diverting people's attention from unpleasant truths." -John Stockwell

Another good book to read is Confessio ns of an Economic Hitman by John Perkins, who was an "EHM", as they were called. This book is the first (that I know of) to describe these secret agents and their actions. It was published in 2004.

en.wikipedia.org...

John Perkins is an economist, activist, and author. His best known book is the sharply accusing, albeit remorseful, Confessions of an Economic Hit Man. Perkins has also written on indigenous cultures and shamanism. His other book titles include Psychonavigation: Techniques for Travel Beyond Time, Shapeshifting: Shamanic Techniques for Global and Personal Transformation.

Confessions of an Economic Hit Man is an autobiographical work relating the story of Perkins' recruitment by a member of the National Security Agency to become an "Economic Hit Man," working in the private sector, primarily as an employee of the economic consulting firm Chas. T. Main, Inc. In this capacity Perkins recounts his meetings with some prominent individuals, including Graham Greene and Omar Torrijos. Perkins describes the role of an EHM as follows:

Economic hit men (EHMs) are highly paid professionals who cheat countries around the globe out of trillions of dollars. They funnel money from the World Bank, the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), and other foreign "aid" organizations into the coffers of huge corporations and the pockets of a few wealthy families who control the planet's natural resources. Their tools included fraudulent financial reports, rigged elections, payoffs, extortion, sex, and murder. They play a game as old as empire, but one that has taken on new and terrifying dimensions during this time of globalization.

In his book, Perkins says that if he and his EHMs weren't successful at tricking poorer countries into giving up their goods, the "jackals" as he called them (here he is speaking of guys like Stockwell, of course) would soon follow the EHMs after they left said country.

Presumably, if there weren't resources to be taken, but just political gain to be had, the EHMs would not even get their hands dirty. The jackals like Stockwell would just go in and get to work.

Drop the personal attacks and examine the facts.



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Souljah,

It appears you picked an audience that is really a hard sell.
I don't know if it is just me, or is there an increase here (yes right here at ATS) of conspirators screaming for evidence?

Yet when given credible people speaking about things they were personally and professionally involved in; people speaking with firsthand knowledge the poster is expected to prove the evidence is not some fanatic propagandaist plot against whoever, whatever, and whereever.

Does this make sense? Not a bit. Either one believes the evidence presented, doesn't believe, or is open minded enough to realize the possibility of any occurrence.

I can accept this; not that I want to because it looks too devious to be American. But unless every death occurs on your street why is 6 million over 37 years so incredible? 6 million versus a worldwide population of 3.6 billion is what? Less than .02%?

Good job Souljah!


JMHO








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[edit on 27-8-2005 by garyo1954]

6 million versus a worldwide population of 3.6 billion is what? Less than .02%?

Not to change the subject but, it sure is amazing how much the world population has increased in just 50 years.

1950 it was about 2 and half billion, five decades later it is almost 6.5 billion; almost frightening.


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I'm just wondering when we're ever going to see a post by Souljah regarding the millions upon millions of people killed during the 20th Century by nations such as the USSR, China, and even Japan.

The numbers killed by the above mentioned nations make the alleged 6 million killed by America look like a small operation. Now, I understand your blatant hatred for all things American, Souljah. But what I don't understand is that you don't even make the slightest attempt at masking it by posting about anything other than "crimes" committed by the US. By doing so, you are killing any chance at having even the slightest amount of credibility in the minds of ATS members. But keep doing as you please. Just know that I'll never take anything you post seriously.

Originally posted by Rasputin13
I'm just wondering when we're ever going to see a post by Souljah regarding the millions upon millions of people killed during the 20th Century by nations such as the USSR, China, and even Japan.

The numbers killed by the above mentioned nations make the alleged 6 million killed by America look like a small operation. Now, I understand your blatant hatred for all things American, Souljah. But what I don't understand is that you don't even make the slightest attempt at masking it by posting about anything other than "crimes" committed by the US. By doing so, you are killing any chance at having even the slightest amount of credibility in the minds of ATS members. But keep doing as you please. Just know that I'll never take anything you post seriously.

agreed

Originally posted by Rasputin13
The numbers killed by the above mentioned nations make the alleged 6 million killed by America look like a small operation. Now, I understand your blatant hatred for all things American, Souljah. But what I don't understand is that you don't even make the slightest attempt at masking it by posting about anything other than "crimes" committed by the US. By doing so, you are killing any chance at having even the slightest amount of credibility in the minds of ATS members. But keep doing as you please. Just know that I'll never take anything you post seriously.

Well I am sorry to interrupt this Empire, but were the USA supposed to be the Good Guys that were "Fighting for Democracy, Liberty and Justice for All" against the "Evil" hiding in the USSR and China? Apparently all Empires are made out of same cloth. And I know what your problem is: this CIA Chief, that was the only highest-ranking CIA official ever to leave the agency and go public with all the CIA Dirt and "Secret Wars". I bet you didn't even bother to read the link I have posted, nor watched the video. Too bad. Because it's a part of Your History, not mine.

Souljah its not a cartoon of good vs evil, just which of the two is the lesser evil.

Too bad. Because it's a part of Your History, not mine.

that was a bit childish.

The numbers killed by the above mentioned nations make the alleged 6 million killed by America look like a small operation. Now, I understand your blatant hatred for all things American, Souljah. But what I don't understand is that you don't even make the slightest attempt at masking it by posting about anything other than "crimes" committed by the US. By doing so, you are killing any chance at having even the slightest amount of credibility in the minds of ATS members. But keep doing as you please. Just know that I'll never take anything you post seriously.

You don't speak for all ATS members.

Man, are you guys Americans? Because what I hear is really just a bunch of whining. If America is not living up to its broadcast image of caring about the world, then it is appropriate for us to discuss that issue. I live in America and my taxes pay for at least some of the DU bullets that'lll make deformed babies, either Iraqi or Okie. This gives me the right to ask questions.

Your technique is tired. Saying "Oh well Pol Pot killed millions more! Stalin killed millions!" and so forth is simply a distraction. Nobody denies that these people killed more humans. If Souljah lived in that time period, he'd probably have lots to say about them too.

There is only one country "on top" right now. That's us. If we are acting like asses to the rest of the world then we Americans should shut up about how "America cares about they world". IMO, our leaders do NOT care unless it affects their bottom line. I think the facts show that clearly.

When you are the most poweful nation on Earth, you can either A: empower the poor, or B: destabilize the poor so they remain poor (cheap labor for you). Which choice do you think the American leaders have made? Last time I checked they were all filthy rich and the world's poor live in ever-increasing poverty.

Souljah is discussing relevant issues. What are you discussing? The next great American plan for improving some poor country? Based on the actual people who do the dirty work for America (cited above) my question to you is this: Will we improve it with rifles or improve it with usury and extortion?