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Americas Third World War

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posted on Aug, 27 2005 @ 04:55 AM
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How 6 million People Were killed in CIA secret wars against third world countries

John Stockwell is the highest-ranking CIA official ever to leave the agency and go public. He ran a CIA intelligence-gathering post in Vietnam, was the task-force commander of the CIA's secret war in Angola in 1975 and 1976, and was awarded the Medal of Merit before he resigned. Stockwell's book In Search of Enemies, published by W.W. Norton 1978, is an international best-seller.



"I did 13 years in the CIA altogether. I sat on a subcommittee of the NSC, so I was like a chief of staff, with the GS-18s (like 3-star generals) Henry Kissinger, Bill Colby (the CIA director), the GS-18s and the CIA, making the important decisions and my job was to put it all together and make it happen and run it, an interesting place from which to watch a covert action being done...

I testified for days before the Congress, giving them chapter and verse, date and detail, proving specific lies. They were asking if we had to do with S. Africa, that was fighting in the country. In fact we were coordinating this operation so closely that our airplanes, full of arms from the states, would meet their airplanes in Kinshasa and they would take our arms into Angola to distribute to our forces for us....

What I found with all of this study is that the subject, the problem, if you will, for the world, for the U.S. is much, much, much graver, astronomically graver, than just Angola and Vietnam. I found that the Senate Church committee has reported, in their study of covert actions, that the CIA ran several thousand covert actions since 1961, and that the heyday of covert action was before 1961; that we have run several hundred covert actions a year, and the CIA has been in business for a total of 37 years.

What we're going to talk about tonight is the United States national security syndrome. We're going to talk about how and why the U.S. manipulates the press. We're going to talk about how and why the U.S. is pouring money into El Salvador, and preparing to invade Nicaragua; how all of this concerns us so directly. I'm going to try to explain to you the other side of terrorism; that is, the other side of what Secretary of State Shultz talks about. In doing this, we'll talk about the Korean war, the Vietnam war, and the Central American war.

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InformationClearingHouse

Pretty Interesting Article - comes also with a Video, which is a must see.

Reading reports such as this one, coming from a former CIA Chief who spent 13 years in the Agency and knows alot about the CIA's Secret Wars. Makes me wonder, what the CIA is capable of doing today, if the past 50 years have been so brutal - I mean 6 Million People Killed? And I don't mean "enemy combatants": I mean people from Sudan, Angola, Cambodia, Nicaragua, people that did not own no weapons of mass destruction, countries without any ICBM launchers.

From the Article:

The question is, `Are we going to permit our leaders to take away our freedoms because they have a charming smile and they were nice movie stars one day, or are we going to stand up and fight, and insist on our freedoms?' It's up to us - you and I can watch this history play in the next year and 2 and 3 years.




posted on Aug, 27 2005 @ 05:03 AM
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6 million? really? I somehow doubt that number, it would be a secret war for very long if they had killed that many people. Ive noticed souljah your very uncomfortable with america, and your also very paranoid of us. Have you had any bad experience with americans?



posted on Aug, 27 2005 @ 05:13 AM
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Originally posted by Rikimaru
6 million? really? I somehow doubt that number, it would be a secret war for very long if they had killed that many people. Ive noticed souljah your very uncomfortable with america, and your also very paranoid of us. Have you had any bad experience with americans?

Have you even clicked on the Link and read the entire Article and watched the Video?

I am sorry, but this Man that speaks was a CIA Chief and I think he knows what he talks about.

You have a Problem with Truth? Too Bad.

If you have a Problem with me I suggest you take it to U2U and leave this thread to the title, which is: Americas Thirld World War.



posted on Aug, 27 2005 @ 05:30 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah
You have a Problem with Truth? Too Bad.

If you have a Problem with me I suggest you take it to U2U and leave this thread to the title, which is: Americas Thirld World War.


No, i have a problem with that america 'killed six million people', and how do you account for this? where are the mass graves? Was it actually americans or was it american backed groups? America has alot of influence some good and some bad.



posted on Aug, 27 2005 @ 05:34 AM
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Originally posted by Rikimaru
No, i have a problem with that america 'killed six million people', and how do you account for this? where are the mass graves? Was it actually americans or was it american backed groups? America has alot of influence some good and some bad.

I ask you again: have you read the article and watched the video?

Why are you asking me these questions, when they are explained in the link that I provided.

CIA has waged alot of Secret Wars for their World Wide Dominance.

Alot.



posted on Aug, 27 2005 @ 05:36 AM
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I have no doubt that the CIA has been behind any number of destabilisation activities around the world. Behind rebel lead wars in third-world countries etc . That said this article is nearly 20-years old, so what is the relevance to today?

I also question 6-million dead.



posted on Aug, 27 2005 @ 05:47 AM
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Originally posted by Lady of the Lake
I also question 6-million dead.

800,000 in Indonesia alone according to CIA's estimate, 12,000 in Nicaragua, 10,000 in the Angolan operation that I was sitting in Washington, managing the task force. They add up. We'll never know how many people have been killed in them. Obviously a lot. Obviously at least a million. 800,000 in Indonesia alone. Undoubtedly the minimum figure has to be 3 million. Then you add in a million people killed in Korea, 2 million people killed in the Vietnam war, and you're obviously getting into gross millions of people....

We do not parachute teams into the Soviet Union to haul families out at night and castrate the father with the children watching, because they have the Bomb, and a big army, and they would parachute teams right back into our country and do the same thing to us - they're not scared of us. For slightly different reasons, but also obvious reasons, we don't do these things in England, or France, or Germany, or Sweden, or Italy, or Japan. What comes out at you immediately is that these 1 to 3 million direct victims, the dead, and in these other wars, they're people of the third world, they're citizens of countries that are too small to defend them from United States brutality and aggression. They're people of the Mitumba mountains of the Congo, and the jungles of Southeast Asia, and now the hills of northern Nicaragua - 12,000 peasants. We have not killed KGB or Russian army advisors in Nicaragua. We are not killing Cuban advisors. We're not killing very many Sandinistas. The 12,000 that we have killed in Nicaragua are peasants, who have the misfortune of living in a CIA's chosen battlefield. Mostly women and children. Communists? Far, far, far more Catholics than anything else.


www.totse.com...

Just shows what the CIA was prepared to do during the Cold War years in order to win the Global Intelligence Agency Race. I am sure that KGB was no angel either.



posted on Aug, 27 2005 @ 06:22 AM
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So 6 million potential terrorist are unable to get in there Yugo/carbomb and blow up the nearest McDonalds. Is that really a bad thing? What about 70 million murdered in America alone since 1973? Lets see 6 million terrorist or 70 million dead americans....ummm........I think 70 million dead americans is worse........


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posted on Aug, 27 2005 @ 08:47 AM
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Originally posted by SkepticSanity
So 6 million potential terrorist are unable to get in there Yugo/carbomb and blow up the nearest McDonalds. Is that really a bad thing? What about 70 million murdered in America alone since 1973? Lets see 6 million terrorist or 70 million dead americans....ummm........I think 70 million dead americans is worse........


Excuse me?

WHAT Potential Terrorists?

I guess you too did not read a single word from the article, just the title and the author and based and written your response according to that. I suggest you read the italic text written in my post above.

70 Million people murdered in America? Why? Because there is a gunstore on every corner? And you can buy bullets on your way to the high school to shoot your classmates? Because there is a gun in every home? Because people watch violent movies? Because people play violent video games?



posted on Aug, 27 2005 @ 09:27 AM
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Then you add in a million people killed in Korea, 2 million people killed in the Vietnam war, and you're obviously getting into gross millions of people....


Is he (or you) referring to the Korean war conflict or some other event in the koreas?

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posted on Aug, 27 2005 @ 10:26 AM
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The part that worries me the most about this is the way it seems the government has been waging a kind of war against its own people since the opening salvos were fired at Kent State on May 4, 1970.

Kent State Massacre

The factions that seek to turn the US into a fascist state have seemingly been slowly gaining strength in this silent and largely unreported 'war of terror', more and more so since they and their minions pulled off 9/11, and their international counterparts executed 3/11 in Spain and 7/7 in England.



posted on Aug, 27 2005 @ 10:41 AM
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Wow thats alot of deaths, wonder how they kept it so quiet.



posted on Aug, 27 2005 @ 11:02 AM
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Souljah on the march!

The question as I understand it, is: "Do the CIA's secret actions imply that America has covertly waged a war against the poorest citizens of the world." ...The answer to that question is unequivocally, yes.

Mind you, this is not "war" in the terms we Americans like to fantasize about war (honorable, facing a worthy opponent, etc) no, these actions are more like bullying.

Checking into Monsanto and their Vietnam defoliants (and the lawsuits, deformed babies that resulted) will confirm a very high-level knowledge of how disposable those native asians were (along with the GIs ordered to kill them). I'm not saying Vietnam would have been better off under the communists but at least the millions dead and deformed would have been better off, right? There's 50,000 Americans who'd be better off also, methinks (unless you believe Vietnam going socialist/communist would have caused America's downfall... hmmm...) Check with your local diabetic Vietnam vet and ask him what he thinks.

Look, I'm an American, and I am aware of the wonderful lip-service of our founding documents, but if you do the research, you'll find that our leaders have covertly held an agenda to destabilize the poor of the world, particularly those who sat on top of resources desired by us.

Here's what Wikipedia says about John Stockwell:



John Stockwell

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

John R. Stockwell is a former CIA agent who became a critic of United States government policies after serving in the Agency for 12 years serving seven tours of duty. As Station Chief of the Angola Task Force, he is the highest-ranking CIA agent to ever leave the agency and go public.

Born to a Texan Engineer in Zaire in 1937, Stockwell attended a Presbyterian school in Lubondai before going on to study at the University of Texas. Fluent in both Tshiluba and Swahili, he was sent to help quell Lumumba's uprising in the Congo shortly after joining the United States Marine Corps.

Beginning his career in 1964, Stockwell spent six years in Africa before being transferred to Vietnam to oversee Tay Ninh. By 1975 he was overseeing covert operations inside Angola where he was awarded the CIA Medal of Merit.

In December of 1976 he resigned his post, citing contempt for the methods employed by the CIA in targetting the Popular Movement for the Liberation of Angola. Two years later he wrote the expose In Search of Enemies, and began giving speeches denouncing the government's use of torture.

Fairly hard to argue this guy's credibility, I'd say. Watch the video at Souljah's link and make your own decisions.



"It is the function of the CIA to keep the world unstable, and to propagandize and teach the American people to hate, so we will let the Establishment spend any amount of money on arms." -John Stockwell

"Enemies are necessary for the wheels of the U.S. military machine to turn." -John Stockwell

"Short, successful military adventures are as effective as the Super Bowl in diverting people's attention from unpleasant truths." -John Stockwell

Another good book to read is Confessio ns of an Economic Hitman by John Perkins, who was an "EHM", as they were called. This book is the first (that I know of) to describe these secret agents and their actions. It was published in 2004.

en.wikipedia.org...



John Perkins is an economist, activist, and author. His best known book is the sharply accusing, albeit remorseful, Confessions of an Economic Hit Man. Perkins has also written on indigenous cultures and shamanism. His other book titles include Psychonavigation: Techniques for Travel Beyond Time, Shapeshifting: Shamanic Techniques for Global and Personal Transformation.

Confessions of an Economic Hit Man is an autobiographical work relating the story of Perkins' recruitment by a member of the National Security Agency to become an "Economic Hit Man," working in the private sector, primarily as an employee of the economic consulting firm Chas. T. Main, Inc. In this capacity Perkins recounts his meetings with some prominent individuals, including Graham Greene and Omar Torrijos. Perkins describes the role of an EHM as follows:

Economic hit men (EHMs) are highly paid professionals who cheat countries around the globe out of trillions of dollars. They funnel money from the World Bank, the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), and other foreign "aid" organizations into the coffers of huge corporations and the pockets of a few wealthy families who control the planet's natural resources. Their tools included fraudulent financial reports, rigged elections, payoffs, extortion, sex, and murder. They play a game as old as empire, but one that has taken on new and terrifying dimensions during this time of globalization.


In his book, Perkins says that if he and his EHMs weren't successful at tricking poorer countries into giving up their goods, the "jackals" as he called them (here he is speaking of guys like Stockwell, of course) would soon follow the EHMs after they left said country.

Presumably, if there weren't resources to be taken, but just political gain to be had, the EHMs would not even get their hands dirty. The jackals like Stockwell would just go in and get to work.

Drop the personal attacks and examine the facts.



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posted on Aug, 27 2005 @ 12:40 PM
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Souljah,

It appears you picked an audience that is really a hard sell.
I don't know if it is just me, or is there an increase here (yes right here at ATS) of conspirators screaming for evidence?

Yet when given credible people speaking about things they were personally and professionally involved in; people speaking with firsthand knowledge the poster is expected to prove the evidence is not some fanatic propagandaist plot against whoever, whatever, and whereever.

Does this make sense? Not a bit. Either one believes the evidence presented, doesn't believe, or is open minded enough to realize the possibility of any occurrence.

I can accept this; not that I want to because it looks too devious to be American. But unless every death occurs on your street why is 6 million over 37 years so incredible? 6 million versus a worldwide population of 3.6 billion is what? Less than .02%?

Good job Souljah!


JMHO








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[edit on 27-8-2005 by garyo1954]



posted on Aug, 27 2005 @ 04:19 PM
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6 million versus a worldwide population of 3.6 billion is what? Less than .02%?


Not to change the subject but, it sure is amazing how much the world population has increased in just 50 years.

1950 it was about 2 and half billion, five decades later it is almost 6.5 billion; almost frightening.


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posted on Aug, 27 2005 @ 07:49 PM
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I'm just wondering when we're ever going to see a post by Souljah regarding the millions upon millions of people killed during the 20th Century by nations such as the USSR, China, and even Japan.

The numbers killed by the above mentioned nations make the alleged 6 million killed by America look like a small operation. Now, I understand your blatant hatred for all things American, Souljah. But what I don't understand is that you don't even make the slightest attempt at masking it by posting about anything other than "crimes" committed by the US. By doing so, you are killing any chance at having even the slightest amount of credibility in the minds of ATS members. But keep doing as you please. Just know that I'll never take anything you post seriously.



posted on Aug, 27 2005 @ 07:54 PM
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Originally posted by Rasputin13
I'm just wondering when we're ever going to see a post by Souljah regarding the millions upon millions of people killed during the 20th Century by nations such as the USSR, China, and even Japan.

The numbers killed by the above mentioned nations make the alleged 6 million killed by America look like a small operation. Now, I understand your blatant hatred for all things American, Souljah. But what I don't understand is that you don't even make the slightest attempt at masking it by posting about anything other than "crimes" committed by the US. By doing so, you are killing any chance at having even the slightest amount of credibility in the minds of ATS members. But keep doing as you please. Just know that I'll never take anything you post seriously.


agreed



posted on Aug, 28 2005 @ 09:22 AM
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Originally posted by Rasputin13
The numbers killed by the above mentioned nations make the alleged 6 million killed by America look like a small operation. Now, I understand your blatant hatred for all things American, Souljah. But what I don't understand is that you don't even make the slightest attempt at masking it by posting about anything other than "crimes" committed by the US. By doing so, you are killing any chance at having even the slightest amount of credibility in the minds of ATS members. But keep doing as you please. Just know that I'll never take anything you post seriously.

Well I am sorry to interrupt this Empire, but were the USA supposed to be the Good Guys that were "Fighting for Democracy, Liberty and Justice for All" against the "Evil" hiding in the USSR and China? Apparently all Empires are made out of same cloth. And I know what your problem is: this CIA Chief, that was the only highest-ranking CIA official ever to leave the agency and go public with all the CIA Dirt and "Secret Wars". I bet you didn't even bother to read the link I have posted, nor watched the video. Too bad. Because it's a part of Your History, not mine.



posted on Aug, 28 2005 @ 09:34 AM
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Souljah its not a cartoon of good vs evil, just which of the two is the lesser evil.




Too bad. Because it's a part of Your History, not mine.


that was a bit childish.



posted on Aug, 28 2005 @ 10:16 AM
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The numbers killed by the above mentioned nations make the alleged 6 million killed by America look like a small operation. Now, I understand your blatant hatred for all things American, Souljah. But what I don't understand is that you don't even make the slightest attempt at masking it by posting about anything other than "crimes" committed by the US. By doing so, you are killing any chance at having even the slightest amount of credibility in the minds of ATS members. But keep doing as you please. Just know that I'll never take anything you post seriously.

You don't speak for all ATS members.

Man, are you guys Americans? Because what I hear is really just a bunch of whining. If America is not living up to its broadcast image of caring about the world, then it is appropriate for us to discuss that issue. I live in America and my taxes pay for at least some of the DU bullets that'lll make deformed babies, either Iraqi or Okie. This gives me the right to ask questions.

Your technique is tired. Saying "Oh well Pol Pot killed millions more! Stalin killed millions!" and so forth is simply a distraction. Nobody denies that these people killed more humans. If Souljah lived in that time period, he'd probably have lots to say about them too.

There is only one country "on top" right now. That's us. If we are acting like asses to the rest of the world then we Americans should shut up about how "America cares about they world". IMO, our leaders do NOT care unless it affects their bottom line. I think the facts show that clearly.

When you are the most poweful nation on Earth, you can either A: empower the poor, or B: destabilize the poor so they remain poor (cheap labor for you). Which choice do you think the American leaders have made? Last time I checked they were all filthy rich and the world's poor live in ever-increasing poverty.

Souljah is discussing relevant issues. What are you discussing? The next great American plan for improving some poor country? Based on the actual people who do the dirty work for America (cited above) my question to you is this: Will we improve it with rifles or improve it with usury and extortion?




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