POLITICS: Sheehan Attacks Israel, Refuses to Pay Taxes

Originally posted by shots
Can we get back on topic.

Sheehan has been reported to be leaving Texas to go and be at her mothers bedside. Apparently the stress of this all has even affected her. She is reported to have had a heart attack.

'Peace Mom' Leaves Camp, Her Mother Ill

First her husband divorces her and now her mother has a heart attack. I hope she is happy now.

[edit on 8/18/2005 by shots]

STROKE!...not heart attack. Though strokes are usually brought on by a fluctuation in blood pressure, that can be a spike or a drop...so are you telling me you know for certain that this stroke was caused by a b.p. spike induced by Sheehan-the-omnipotent? Furthermore, even though it usually (I said usually not always) is caused by some type of b.p. variation that can cause a chunk of plaque to come free and blow a vessel in your head - it still must have the prerequisite condition of plaque build up in the arteries. Are you now saying Sheehan-devil-woman-of-mighty-power also caused years of plaque build up in her mother's body?

You people need to get outside and breathe some fresh air - your brains are in vapor-lock.

[edit on 8-18-2005 by Valhall]

Originally posted by shots
First her husband divorces her and now her mother has a heart attack. I hope she is happy now.

Her son is dead, her husband divorced her, her mother (maybe) dying. She is being used by the left and demonized by the right.

I am sure she is happy now.

[edit on 18-8-2005 by Amuk]

Originally posted by Valhall

STROKE!...not heart attack. Though strokes are usually brought on by a fluctuation in blood pressure, that can be a spike or a drop...so are you telling me you know for certain that this stroke was caused by a b.p. spike induced by Sheehan-the-omnipotent? Furthermore, even though it usually (I said usually not always) is caused by some type of b.p. variation that can cause a chunk of plaque to come free and blow a vessel in your head - it still must have the prerequisite condition of plaque build up in the arteries. Are you now saying Sheehan-devil-woman-of-mighty-power also caused years of plaque build up in her mother's body?

You people need to get outside and breathe some fresh air - your brains are in vapor-lock.

[edit on 8-18-2005 by Valhall]

Do not blame me, At first they reported it as a heart attack and that is what I reported. The media probably learned they were wrong and corrected the story, that is not my fault.

Strokes can definitely be brought on by stress, I don't think it's out in left field to speculate that the stress brought on by all this was a contributing factor to the elder Mrs. Sheehan's health problem.

Cindy has now lost her marriage, destroyed ties with family members and perhaps put her mother's life in danger over her left-wing jihad against the President that probably has her son rolling in his grave so fast he's drilled half-way to China...when is this insanity going to stop?

A woman launching a peaceful crusade to find the real reasons for invading Iraq is insanity but launching pre-emptive invasions with proven false intelligence is sane?

I think insanity/sanity is a highly subjective phrase to be dishing out. You may not accept the woman's arguement but basing that on the assertion she is insane is not fair. She believes in one thing (with quite a few other people, myself included) and you believe in another thing (again with quite a few other people).

When will the vilification and demonization of this woman stop is a better question.

, I'd suggest you pick up these books as we will just be going around in circles otherwise.

Israel/Palestine by Reinhart
The Castro Obsession: U. S. Covert Operations Against Cuba, 1959 - 1965 by Don Bohning
The Cuban revolution: A critical perspective by Sam Dolgoff
The Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: A Documentary Record 1967-1990 by Yehuda Lukacs
The Road to Jerusalem: Glubb Pasha, Palestine and the Jews by Benny Morris.

I'm sorry, but the picture you attempt to paint of Israel is vastly wrong. Levi/Irgun broke it first not the Arabic Nations, not Palestine, not Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc.

Originally posted by djohnsto77
her left-wing jihad against the President that probably has her son rolling in his grave so fast he's drilled half-way to China...when is this insanity going to stop?

The insanity lies not in her originally peaceful effort to seek answers to tough questions, but in the pathetic polarization of this topic, like every other current event, by tiresome political trolls throughout this country.

Thanks to the deaf, dumb, and blind ideologically brainwashed majority in this country, political debate has degraded to hateful blame of the "other side". These neo-politicos on both sides deflect discussion from the issues that matter toward ideological bull.

It's disgusting. And apparently, there's little that can be done.

Okay.

First off: Those speculating about her mental health and her marriage. Unless you have lost a child or have been involved in a loss, there is no more stressful event that ANY of us could ever live through. Period, I have seen strong, good marriages torn apart by those events. She deserves the benefit of the doubt on this one. Its easy to slap a "mental" label on somebody without any facts.

Is she being used by the left? The moderate in me says yes. Is she being vilified by the ultra right? Yes. Does ANY of this matter to her? NO! Take a step back and look at her. In heart she is doing what she feels right. its those around her that are abusing the situation.

While I do not agree with her stand on the issues, I will NEVER EVER disagree with her FUNDAMENTAL right to voice her opposition in any manner that is not illegal. There is no treason here.

It is my opinion that this will be a case discussed in Poli/Sci classes in the near future as how not to do damage control or defuse a situation. Bush could have chosen to meet with her, give her concerns lip service, and then blown her off. Instead we have what we have

.
probably 100,000 people are dead because of the Neocon's lies and selfdelusions.

Thank You Cindy Sheehan for the persistence to stand and say why.

I do not understand what is wrong with the America I grew up believing stood for good things,

And not wanton mass murder just to funnel billions to Haliburton and so GW Bush could get daddy's attempted assassin.
.

This is interesting...according to an interview transcript Sheehan said she would have rather run over her son with a car than have him go to war:

AMY GOODMAN: Cindy, what were your feelings when your son Casey went to Iraq? Are they the same as now? And what were Casey's feelings about the invasion and occupation?

CINDY SHEEHAN: Right. Our family was against it from the beginning. Casey was against it, but he felt it was his duty to go because he was in the Army. And he felt that he had to go to protect his buddies, to be there for his buddies, to be support, and they are brainwashed into thinking that even if they don't agree with the mission, they're brainwashed into just blindly following it. I begged Casey not to go. I told him I would take him to Canada. I told him I would run over him with a car, anything to get him not to go to that immoral war. And he said, “Mom, I wish I didn't have to, but I have to go.”

www.democracynow.org.../06/29/1434216

Originally posted by djohnsto77
This is interesting...according to an interview transcript Sheehan said she would have rather run over her son with a car than have him go to war:

CINDY SHEEHAN: Right. Our family was against it from the beginning. Casey was against it, but he felt it was his duty to go because he was in the Army.

Intersting find DJ. However it would appear to be a lie on her part since her son signed on for another tour in the service by re-enlisting.

Current war-protesters have all the intellectual prowess of a bird flying north for the winter and their moronic fumbling illustrates how they just don’t make anti-war activists like they used to. Rallying behind Cindy Sheehan as the face of today’s anti-war movement demonstrates a myopic strategy of cataclysmic proportions. Lesson one when choosing a figurehead for any cause is first to ensure that she’s not currently engaged in a separate and easily defined act of perfidy against a professed loved one – in this case, her killed son on whose behalf she supposedly speaks. In short, she’s using her son’s death to advance the very cause against which he stood. Casey Sheehan re-enlisted five months into the Iraqi War and eventually chose to participate in the very battle that would take his irreplaceable life because he believed in the effort. It would have been equally disrespectful for her to use him as a prop to support the war had he died on the battlefield not believing in the effort. It’s not so much a question of “pro-war vs. anti-war” as it is a question of whether or not anyone has the moral right to defile a son’s legacy by using his name in opposition to that legacy – whatever it might be. To the anti-war movement I would advise the following, choose another leader, this lady just makes you want to take a shower.

Cindy Sheehan Desecrates Her Son’s Grave

My point of course is the fact had he been against the war he would not have re-enlisted.

[edit on 8/20/2005 by shots]

Originally posted by djohnsto77
This is interesting...according to an interview transcript Sheehan said she would have rather run over her son with a car than have him go to war:

Hmmm. This woman has stated the same rhetoric over and over, "Casey was against the war...blah, blah, blah".

When asked how she knows this, she replies with second hand conversation, "He told me he was against this administration, against the war. But he had to go to protect his buddies...blah, blah, blah".

Sounds very similar to the same excuse my hubby gives me. on why he just absolutely has to go to the bar after work:
"Honey, I have to go. My entire office will be there".

"I know it's at a bar, but I have to make sure everyone gets home safe. I really don't want to go. .... I know, I know what you're saying...'my job should end at 5:00', but I have to go for the sake of my friends".

PUHLEEZE!

Casey told his mother what SHE wanted to hear; however, his actions said otherwise.

He was a soldier. A soldier's primary job is to 'fight wars'. I know that is hard for most of you to believe, but it's true.

Whether the soldier feels the war is just, or not, is irrelevent!

Is it okay for a Postal delivery person to pick and choose which mail to deliver, especially if he comes across mail he is opposed to? ( i.e. Porn, etc. ) His job is to 'deliver mail', not to justify whether said mail is 'deliverable'.

Is it okay for a Police man to arrest only those he feels commited a crime? Who is he to determine who commited a crime and who didn't? He chose to be a cop, not a judge. The cop's job is to uphold whatever law is in effect at that time. Doesn't matter whether he agrees with it or not. He still does his job. A cop is a cop because he CHOSE to be a cop. If he feels uncomfortable w/his role, he should leave the force.

A marine (or soldier) is a Marine because he chose to do the job of a Marine.

Sheehan's boy was a soldier because he wanted to be a soldier. He was offered a job within his field (Iraq), he had the choice to take the job or not. He chose to take the job.

He took the job because of friends? OH COME ON people! Isn't that what we ALL tell our mothers when we choose to do something that is against everything she has taught us? ("Yeah, but 'Jimmy's' doing it!)

Casey was an American Soldier. He took his job seriously. He believed in his title and was only ashamed of his choices, when in his mother's presence.

How sad is it to be so blinded by your own beliefs, that your own children are too scared to share there own beliefs with you?




[edit on 20-8-2005 by SourGrapes]

good! Israel has cause us enough trouble and stab us in the back enough times, i don't even want my family to pay taxes to go to Israel.

this is a clear example of how people are affected by war.the people it kills the family split apart.not really much more to go on.peace mom go for it fight those who wish pain and suffering on others it may be your only outlet but its better than the other mothers ways of dealing with the pain.they sit in silence and hope there son is not next.mothers unite and bring home there children for another day will not change mankinds evil foolish wars....

Originally posted by Odium
, I'd suggest you pick up these books as we will just be going around in circles otherwise.

I suggest you read other books, not just the perspective from a couple of writers. In the case of Cuba, I suggest you go live there as a Cuban citizen instead of preaching the story from any book. Most people have no idea what happens in Cuba and the lengths that castro goes through to make all sorts of attacks against the US, either by demonizing the US, or by selling his services to all sorts of terrorists. Then maybe you will learn a thing or two about the communist regime of that sob.

PS: if you want to go live in Cuba as a Cuban citizen let me know, I am pretty sure my family there will accomodate you as long as you buy the food and other supplies.

Originally posted by Odium
I'm sorry, but the picture you attempt to paint of Israel is vastly wrong. Levi/Irgun broke it first not the Arabic Nations, not Palestine, not Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc.

You give the names of a couple books, which you might as well just taken off an internet list, and without giving any other evidence proclaimed that what I said is wrong.... Well, i do not know everything that happens in Israel and Palestine, but the truth is that the Arabs did not accept the reolution, or any other resolution that came later.

In fact it was Jamal Husseini, chairman of the Arab Higher Committee, who said that Arabs will fight for every inch of their country right after the Resolution was presented. All of the Palestinian refugees who fled, did so voluntarily, because they were told by the Palestinian authorities that their flight would not be long and that this would allow other Arab States to attack the Jewish people and drive them into the sea.

The Palestinian authorities have rejected the partition of the lands into two and have rejected every resolution. They have never wanted the State of Israel to exist, and have tried their hardest to destroy it, and drive the jewish people into the sea.

The Palestinian tragedy is primarily self-inflicted, a direct result of the vehement Palestinian Arab rejection of the United Nations resolution of November 29, 1947 calling for the establishment of two states in Palestine, and the violent attempt by the Arab nations of the region to abort the Jewish state at birth. Palestinian Arabs have tried to rewrite the history of the 1948 war in a manner that stains Israel politically and morally. Their objective is to 1) extract from Israel a confession of the allegedly forcible dispossession of "native Palestinians" by "an act of expulsion," and then 2) to ensure the return of refugees to parts of the territory that is now Israel and/or to compensate the Palestinian Arabs monetarily for their sufferings.

But this cannot actually happen, however fervently Arabs may believe in it, because historical fact is not what they claim. Arabs left Israel in 1948 in large numbers, it is true, but not for the reasons that Palestinian Arabs put forth. Fortunately for history, during the past decade Israeli and other state archives have declassified millions of records, including invaluable contemporary Arab and Palestinian documents, relating to the 1948 war and the creation of the Palestinian refugee problem. These make it possible to establish the truth about what happened in Palestine.

Excerpted from.
www.palestinefacts.org...

Anyways, I think we can all conclude that Israel has nothing to do with the death of Cindy Sheenan's son. Islamic terrorists give many reasons for their attacks, but they are only excuses, trying to blame someone else for what they are doing. That seems to go aroun d quite a bit in these days. blaming others for everything that happens in the world....

Sheenan is in a state of denial right now, and she wants to blame anyone for the death of her son. She is also being used for the agenda of some people.

[edit on 20-8-2005 by Muaddib]