China is ready to use nuclear weapons if U.S. of A joins the fight.

Originally posted by AtheiX
China is ready to use nukes? So what? The US are ready too. And remember that the US have more nukes. The US have over 10,000 nukes, while China has no more than 50.

You are arrogant, China has get over 5000 nukes, in it ,3000 nukes could attack anywhere in the world. But China's nuke has 2 fault, lack of accuracy and fluid fuel. But as we know , hundred meters error is not a problem to nukes, isn't it? Fluid fuel need more times to prepare lainching, but you cannot know where are they, it also isn't a problem. In an nuke war, 10000 nukes don't excell to 3000nukes, even a little. Only 1000 nukes could wipe out US ,it's for real. Certainly ,US attack China are the same.





[edit on 17-7-2005 by gejia021]

What 5000? Even if that is true, China only has 50 ICBMs to launch at the US. However, even that number is enough to set back the US back to the stone age, and in a nuclear exchange, having 10,000 ICBMs and warheads compared to 50 ICBMs and warheads will make little if any difference at all.

Originally posted by LCKob
Simply put, the Taiwanese DO NOT WANT TO BE TRADITIONAL CHINESE ...

What??? The Taiwanese are much more traditional than mainlanders. It was the mainland that much Han culture and traditions have been dumped in exchange for a new progressive society. The Taiwanese kept their Han culture relatively well.

Originally posted by W4rl0rD
What 5000? Even if that is true, China only has 50 ICBMs to launch at the US. However, even that number is enough to set back the US back to the stone age, and in a nuclear exchange, having 10,000 ICBMs and warheads compared to 50 ICBMs and warheads will make little if any difference at all.

I couldn't see the difference between 10000 and 5000 nukes, 1000 nukes is enough to destroy US, why 10000?
50 ICBM is the prediction of your Pentagon , only you could be cheated to believe such a lie . In the west and north mountains we have 12 underground nuclear base , Do you really think Chinese is so timid?

Originally posted by Taishyou

Originally posted by LCKob
Simply put, the Taiwanese DO NOT WANT TO BE TRADITIONAL CHINESE ...

What??? The Taiwanese are much more traditional than mainlanders. It was the mainland that much Han culture and traditions have been dumped in exchange for a new progressive society. The Taiwanese kept their Han culture relatively well.

Quite right, poor choice of decriptor ... replace Traditional with Communist ...

LCKob

[edit on 17-7-2005 by LCKob]

[edit on 17-7-2005 by LCKob]

lets not forget Generals have a lot of infleunce plus if one is willing to say it then how many feel the same but wont say it? They are like cockroaches you see or hear one there are many more hiding in the darkness.


Nukes arent the only option for the US.

As for a chinese sub making it in lauch depth and actually launching I would say are very slim, china subs are noisy out of date machines boats that the US has plenty of experience tagging and bagging.

Who is to say the US doesnt have statilite recon/weapons trained on chinese nukes? waiting for that puff of smoke to come out?

Threats like the Generals have to be taken seriously, how did the Chinese Government not stop his opinion from being printed unless they wanted it out!

That would be like General Franks saying if any iranians are found attacking in iraq the US will invade Iran, some of you act like a General has no influence or sway over decisions that are to be made. Generals run armies, the spread thier ideals down threw the command structure and sometimes all the way up to the top of the governemnt. Not only did this general say it but so did one earlier, has the US threatened China with Nukes? no the Chinese government is playing a game that was played out 100 years ago, we all know where it led, let us hope that it doesnt get repeated for china will suffer the most once agian. If you think 50 ICBMS will cripple the US what do you think 10,000+ will do to china? thats right there will be no more china or chinese, lord help the chinese living in the us that side with the china it will be most ugly for them.

The chinese government can say he is a hawk all they want if they didnt want him to say if they should not have allowed him to make the statement. Nuke are nothing to threaten with that turns from a deternate to front line weapon not a good idea and awakes the US to the realization that china might not be the great "friend" that it tries to sell.

has the US threatened China with Nukes?

Yes, once when China entered Korean war and again in 1959 when China was developing its own nukes.

As for CCP allowing this general to say his thing, I think it works like this: as long as you don't say anything bad about the country, you have your freedom of speech.

Originally posted by Char2c35t
lets not forget Generals have a lot of infleunce plus if one is willing to say it then how many feel the same but wont say it? They are like cockroaches you see or hear one there are many more hiding in the darkness.

it even says in the article that if the general was in a PLA stragiest. he wouldn't be talking like that.

As for a chinese sub making it in lauch depth and actually launching I would say are very slim, china subs are noisy out of date machines boats that the US has plenty of experience tagging and bagging.

no there not. first generation chinese subs are but no the new ones in development.

Who is to say the US doesnt have statilite recon/weapons trained on chinese nukes? waiting for that puff of smoke to come out?

if they did they would have used them againest iraqi ballistic missiles

Threats like the Generals have to be taken seriously, how did the Chinese Government not stop his opinion from being printed unless they wanted it out!

because he was at a offical news conference with western journalist

Originally posted by Char2c35t
lets not forget Generals have a lot of infleunce plus if one is willing to say it then how many feel the same but wont say it? They are like cockroaches you see or hear one there are many more hiding in the darkness.


Nukes arent the only option for the US.

As for a chinese sub making it in lauch depth and actually launching I would say are very slim, china subs are noisy out of date machines boats that the US has plenty of experience tagging and bagging.

Who is to say the US doesnt have statilite recon/weapons trained on chinese nukes? waiting for that puff of smoke to come out?

Threats like the Generals have to be taken seriously, how did the Chinese Government not stop his opinion from being printed unless they wanted it out!

That would be like General Franks saying if any iranians are found attacking in iraq the US will invade Iran, some of you act like a General has no influence or sway over decisions that are to be made. Generals run armies, the spread thier ideals down threw the command structure and sometimes all the way up to the top of the governemnt. Not only did this general say it but so did one earlier, has the US threatened China with Nukes? no the Chinese government is playing a game that was played out 100 years ago, we all know where it led, let us hope that it doesnt get repeated for china will suffer the most once agian. If you think 50 ICBMS will cripple the US what do you think 10,000+ will do to china? thats right there will be no more china or chinese, lord help the chinese living in the us that side with the china it will be most ugly for them.

The chinese government can say he is a hawk all they want if they didnt want him to say if they should not have allowed him to make the statement. Nuke are nothing to threaten with that turns from a deternate to front line weapon not a good idea and awakes the US to the realization that china might not be the great "friend" that it tries to sell.

I could give you some fact about yourself:
(1)US is the only country to attack others with nuclear weapon.
(2)US waged the most war in the world since World War 2 ended.
(3)When USSR placed A-weapon in Cuba, US threatened to full-scale nuclear war , in spite of the lives of the whole Human Kind. But US placed A-weapon in Turkey, your media had been silent for a time.
(4)US declared the "get the drop on sb" policy, it means you can attack others in advance, it don't depend on if you are attacked.
(5)US declared publicly,it will wage nuke attack in the first place, but Chinese gov never said as this.
(6)US overthrowed so many gov , in the name of democracy,but if you remember Salvador Allende, what do you want to say?

last one , US had threaten three times to attack China with Nukes, and destroy the largest Dam in China. Would you ever know this?
You said you have 10000 nukes, we only have 400, Okay Do you really think that you'll win ? If you have the courage to wipe out one quater of the whole population ,you could try , if not that ,you'll lose it in the end.

I really really doubt whether china and america/taiwan will ever go to war.

If china is unable to rejoin taiwan with the mainland in a political way (remember there are lots ans lots of 'ordinary' chinese living in taiwan who wouldn't opose to such an idea) they might try to invade.

But when you think about the economical ties between america and china it would be a small matter of time before both economies collapse. Whether nuclear weapons would be used or not the outcome of such a war could spell disaster for both countries.

let's hope for the best

Originally posted by gejia021

I couldn't see the difference between 10000 and 5000 nukes, 1000 nukes is enough to destroy US, why 10000?
50 ICBM is the prediction of your Pentagon , only you could be cheated to believe such a lie . In the west and north mountains we have 12 underground nuclear base , Do you really think Chinese is so timid?

I think China has stealth bombers and laser weapons!!
Btw CHina set to resume spaceflight i october with a twin manned shenzhou crew.
It'll be REAL shameful for the US if china gets up there before STS 114(discovery)

if communists decide to sacrifice so many chinese cities in a war, the chinese residences will go against the communists.
As a fact, PRC this country do not belong to people, but communists. We usually say that country belongs to people, but in China it is different, the communists always think China is something they own, they can do whatever they wanna do.
Majoity of chinese citizens do not support communists, they complain about the bad living standard and bad gov, but the gov just ignored them.

And Zhu Chenghu, I can imagine what kinda person he is. There do have some communists act like that---stupid, arrogent,......

I couldn't see the difference between 10000 and 5000 nukes, 1000 nukes is enough to destroy US, why 10000?
50 ICBM is the prediction of your Pentagon , only you could be cheated to believe such a lie . In the west and north mountains we have 12 underground nuclear base , Do you really think Chinese is so timid?

< Timid no, rationally concerned ... I hope so ... while the amount is debatable, the basic theory is sound concerning a "nuclear winter" ... I don't know about you, but I for one do not want to have such a theory tested. >



I think China has stealth bombers and laser weapons!!

< Really? do tell >


Btw CHina set to resume spaceflight i october with a twin manned shenzhou crew.
It'll be REAL shameful for the US if china gets up there before STS 114(discovery)

< Shameful? Why? Realistically the U.S. has nothing to prove really ... to borrow from slang: "been there done that" ... besides, space is a dangerous place ... rushing such endeavors is IMO not the wisest course of action ... if one is to aviod catastrophe and loss of life. >

LCKob



[edit on 18-7-2005 by LCKob]

Originally posted by xiaoxing
if communists decide to sacrifice so many chinese cities in a war, the chinese residences will go against the communists.
As a fact, PRC this country do not belong to people, but communists. We usually say that country belongs to people, but in China it is different, the communists always think China is something they own, they can do whatever they wanna do.
Majoity of chinese citizens do not support communists, they complain about the bad living standard and bad gov, but the gov just ignored them.

And Zhu Chenghu, I can imagine what kinda person he is. There do have some communists act like that---stupid, arrogent,......

Technically, if it's not for the people, it's not communism. Though the CCP calls itself Chinese "Communist" Party, they are nowhere near communist. The CCP is actually a hybrid of socialism and capitalism right now.

There is supposed to be no elitism in a true communist society as that would defeat the whole point of communism. Communism is supposed to be democratic, and for some extreme political thinkers, anarchic

[edit on 18-7-2005 by Taishyou]

gejia021 I think that if you know so much about Chinese nuclear bunkers and their number of nukes then out intelligence agencies wont have a hard time tagging them.

Well I don't think the USA will be crazy enough to attack China IF China warns us about them nuking the USA. Besides Im sure the USA has a Plan B of some sorth. So we just have to sit back and watch the situation...

Originally posted by Char2c35t

Threats like the Generals have to be taken seriously, how did the Chinese Government not stop his opinion from being printed unless they wanted it out!

Exactly. He was just a 2 star General. In a country like China, no way he'd just spout something that inflammatory without some consent/sanction by high party officials. This was a way to stoke the fire over Taiwan without overt hostility. They can fall back on the, oh we didn't mean it, this is just some crazy General's idea. But the cat is out of the bag.

It's funny, if the legitimate democratic government in Taiwan had never
relocated after the war and instead gave up, the island would be just like China. They only want to take it back now because of the industry and wealth. Which never would have been built under com/fascist govt of the mainland. Sure there might be some desire for historic purposes but the #1 motivation now is money.

No offense to Chinese nationalists but you live in a repressive fascist state. Isn't the internet censored there ? Are there not restrictions on what websites you can even visit ? Democracy and freedom won't come up on an internet search ? The government murders it's own citizens, peaceful political protestors i.e. Tiananmen Square, (2600 people killed according to the Chinese Red Cross)

I'm sure the average citizen of China is a decent person, I've been to Hong Kong after it reverted to Chinese rule and seemed like an amicable place, but the government is out there. I regret President Nixon for opening the door to China so to speak. We should have waited the government out, like the Soviet Union, until it failed. By opening trade relations and technology transfer, the US has only helped its enemy get stronger.

Forget about cities, if China just nuked a Carrier Battle Group over Taiwan I hope the US launches a full retalitory strike. US SSBNs I wager could get off a first strike, destroying 90% of your nuclear arsenal and decapitate the command and control infrastructure before it even knows what hit them. Even the 10% that didn't get hit, would be useless without command and control and leadership.

Han and the single, Xia class submarines are completely ineffective. In a full scale conflict, they wouldn't make it 50 kilometers outside their homeports before getting a mk48 adcap up the screw. The new type 93, and 94 may have something to offer in 5-10 years when they're built and operational, but considering someone quoted performance similiar to a Victor III, I'd be worried. That's not even quiet enough to avoid SOSUS detection. If a war looked eminent, I'm certain a Los Angeles/Seawolf/Virginia would be trailing every single one of them ready to go if need be.

I just hope both sides are smart enough to delay what seems to be an inevitable conflict. Hopefully the Chinese people can reign in the government and claim it for themselves before it's too late. And for the record China does cheat with the WTO. Namely capital controls and monetary protectionism.

[edit on 18-7-2005 by Schaden]

Every body does a bit of saber rattling now and then.. Its normal..
Lets just hope Maj Gen Zhu doesn't get to a posn. of power where he CAN influence policy.. Otherwise china will be like....

The US under Bush !!

Originally posted by Daedalus3
Every body does a bit of saber rattling now and then.. Its normal..
Lets just hope Maj Gen Zhu doesn't get to a posn. of power where he CAN influence policy.. Otherwise china will be like....

The US under Bush !!

Actually, IMHO I think this individual sounds MORE AGGRESSIVE than Bush ...
which makes me second your hope as well.

LCKob

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