Originally posted by AnjeluvDeath
When did I knock his website? I said it reminded me of someone else's. You also posted a link that does not answer what I asked you?

We'll chalk the website-thing up to an honest misunderstanding.

You didn't ask me "how that was even possible." That was somebody else. I was providing a link showing that a very credible physicist has showed that in theory energy can be extracted from the vacuum (if I gave the wrong link, let me know, or look through Robert L. Forward's work).

What I am interested in is the people that continue to claim that zero point energy machines exist and then can never actually prove it. You even say ten years to market? What stage is it at now? I thought your point was that they existed? Why will it take at least ten years to figure out how to sell free energy to people?

I explained why it would be so long to the market in a previous post, IIRC. The Shoulders/Mesyats work seems to have stability issues. It's fairly easy to demonstrate overunity on a shoestring budget, if you're willing to try, but it's not anywhere near stable.

I also hate people who run around claiming that "X-Device works! It proves that the ZPE can be harnessed!" and don't have any reliable data to back it up. The Bedini motor is a prime example. I looked at that earlier today, because I read (after reading this thread) that it had been "replicated by over 100 people worldwide." Yet, none of them have done a particularly scientific job of "replicating" it. Not to say it doesn't work, but people need to apply real science.

I don't think that we fundamentally disagree, per se, we've just got different backgrounds.


[edit on 27-3-2009 by theWCH]

Originally posted by theWCH

Originally posted by AnjeluvDeath
When did I knock his website? I said it reminded me of someone else's. You also posted a link that does not answer what I asked you?

We'll chalk the website-thing up to an honest misunderstanding.

So you are not going to explain where in my post I knocked his web site then? I can earn your scorn but not your appologies. I understand what type of person I am dealing with now.

You didn't ask me "how that was even possible." That was somebody else. I was providing a link showing that a very credible physicist has showed that in theory energy can be extracted from the vacuum (if I gave the wrong link, let me know, or look through Robert L. Forward's work).

Right and you answered with some link to something that did not answer what I asked. I do not need links to theorhetical things. I can find those all on my own. I was asking for proof of a [n]REAL thing. Understand the difference?

I explained why it would be so long to the market in a previous post, IIRC. The Shoulders/Mesyats work seems to have stability issues. It's fairly easy to demonstrate overunity on a shoestring budget, if you're willing to try, but it's not anywhere near stable.

You mean "real." The word you are looking for ins not stable, it is real. It is not real. Say it out loud with me or prove something.

I also hate people who run around claiming that "X-Device works! It proves that the ZPE can be harnessed!" and don't have any reliable data to back it up. The Bedini motor is a prime example. I looked at that earlier today, because I read (after reading this thread) that it had been "replicated by over 100 people worldwide." Yet, none of them have done a particularly scientific job of "replicating" it. Not to say it doesn't work, but people need to apply real science.

I don't think that we fundamentally disagree, per se, we've just got different backgrounds.



Well, I expect proof behind crazy claims of things that defy the laws of our natural world. Silly of me? If you are willing to just believe things because you read them, then yes - we do disagree.

Originally posted by AnjeluvDeath
So you are not going to explain where in my post I knocked his web site then? I can earn your scorn but not your appologies. I understand what type of person I am dealing with now.

Let me put my previous statement a bit differently: I misunderstood your statement. I apologize. Clear enough?

Right and you answered with some link to something that did not answer what I asked. I do not need links to theorhetical things. I can find those all on my own. I was asking for proof of a [n]REAL thing. Understand the difference?

You asked for a link "to something credible that explains just exactly how that is even a little bit possible." Generally, that implies that a person is looking for a link to a theoretical explanation (from somebody credible) of how something is even a little bit possible. If that wasn't what you wanted, then again, I misunderstood you and I apologize.

I'm not going to play these games. You're right about the "type of person" I am.


[edit on 28-3-2009 by theWCH]

Originally posted by theWCH
You asked for a link "to something credible that explains just exactly how that is even a little bit possible." Generally, that implies that a person is looking for a link to a theoretical explanation (from somebody credible) of how something is even a little bit possible. If that wasn't what you wanted, then again, I misunderstood you and I apologize.

I'm not going to play these games. You're right about the "type of person" I am.

I am not sure what game you are playing but I was simply asking for something that I could believe. That was all I wanted. Some credible source that explains this could be true. You did not provide that.

Hi everyone. I've been off ATS for a few weeks so just checked this thread.

I'm one of the 'practical' free energy chasers here on ATS, rather than the theoretical.

I've recently completed my first Bedini SSG and it certainly does seem to tap radiant energy (my version gets about 30% more out of the battery than goes in - and I'm as green as they come as far as electronics goes)

I'll subscribe to the thread and read later. Will be happy to take on some new building project come the summer or a bit later. Spare time and cash for bits not a big problem from then on either.

ciao for now.