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Originally posted by Egg Mundane
What exactly did the Baphomet symbolize to the Templars?
Originally posted by Boatphone
Baphomet could be a corruption of the Arabic "abufihamet" meaning "wisdom" or "father of wisdom". They seemed to worship Baphomet in the form of a idol head. Interesting stuff.
Originally posted by Boatphone
Baphomet could be a corruption of the Arabic "abufihamet" meaning "wisdom" or "father of wisdom".
Originally posted by sebatwerk
That is one of the multitudes of lies that the Templars were charged with
Originally posted by Boatphone
There is evidence for it. I'm not saying that King Philippe and Pope Clement V were dirty evil liars (they were), but that aside their is still some evidence that they did indeed use Baphomet in rituals. It is not a bad thing, I do believe they were lovers of Wisdom. That is they did not worship a "head" but wisdom itself. And who dones't like that.
Originally posted by sebatwerk
the false charge[...] was brought about by King Philip and the Church.
Shown left, is an illustration of Jacques de Molay, the last Grand Master of the Knights Templar, being burned at the stake. It all started with the arrest of the French Knights by Philip the Fair on Friday the 13th of October 1307. What followed was a set of accusations against the brethren of the order. This set of accusations was similar to that used against the Cathars before them and would be used by the Inquisition against the poor peasants of Medieval Europe accused of being Witches.
Originally posted by Egg Mundane
What exactly did the Baphomet symbolize to the Templars?
Originally posted by Boatphonebut that aside their is still some evidence that they did indeed use Baphomet in rituals
I agree with you, I'm just saying that there is evidence that they kept and use heads in their rituals. Some say that it was John the Baptits's head that they kept. They did have beliefs that were way outside that of the church.
Hugues de Payen himself had three black heads on his battle shield.
Originally posted by Majestic12
I agree with you, I'm just saying that there is evidence that they kept and use heads in their rituals. Some say that it was John the Baptits's head that they kept. They did have beliefs that were way outside that of the church.
Hugues de Payen himself had three black heads on his battle shield.
Can I see this evidence please? Can I please see where it says that the Knights Templar worshipped a corruption of the prophet Mohammed?
Originally posted by Majestic12
It makes no sense why Christian Crusaders would adopt Islam figures into their worship.
King Philip IV, who lusted for the Templar wealth, could only take it from them if they were heretics. The charges of demon worship, kissing genitals and such were common accusations of heresy that lasted from the destruction of the Cathars at Albi through to the Salem witch-hunts of the American Colonies...
Originally posted by Nygdan
I agree. However, it would be interesting to see what effects islamic religion had on christian religion. Supposedly the Templars were 'close' with some islamic sects, like the assasins (whom apparently they rented land from to put their castles and forts upon).
Originally posted by Nygdan
I agree. However, it would be interesting to see what effects islamic religion had on christian religion. Supposedly the Templars were 'close' with some islamic sects, like the assasins (whom apparently they rented land from to put their castles and forts upon).
Does anyone know if the Templars had any beleifs that were unique to them or even unusual for the christian mainstream at the time?
Originally posted by sebatwerk
Originally posted by Nygdan
I agree. However, it would be interesting to see what effects islamic religion had on christian religion. Supposedly the Templars were 'close' with some islamic sects, like the assasins (whom apparently they rented land from to put their castles and forts upon).
WERE the Templars close to muslims? Being crusaders, they would generally spend a great deal of timme FIGHTING them, no?
Originally posted by Boatphone
Originally posted by sebatwerk
the false charge[...] was brought about by King Philip and the Church.
I agree with you, I'm just saying that there is evidence that they kept and use heads in their rituals. Some say that it was John the Baptits's head that they kept. They did have beliefs that were way outside that of the church.