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Originally posted by twitchy
Sorry I was working on the DU thread and feeding my pet frog "Plop" which involves some porchlight scavenging and moth manglings. I'm honestly tired of arguing this, there is a hierarchy in every level of society. To say freemaosnry is somehow free of this most basic human behavior is silly. To say you are equal to the status of Grand Poobah, Knight of Ma Ha Bologna just by taking your third degree is laughable. I could hold twenty PhD's and not a one of them would give me tenure or make me head of a department. It's really beyond debate as far as I am concerned, hell the Boy Scouts and a Herd of Walrus have a hierarchy. Sabat-Work has said in two threads now that there is NO HIERARCHY in Freemasonry. It has deteriorated now to "There is no Hierarchy in Freemasonry except the Lodge Administration and the Grand Lodges..." Ad Nauseum. Hell a colony of Piss Ants has a Hierarchy. get real guys, nobody buys that line.
Originally posted by akilles
But of course, no mason is willing to admit his compliance.
I regularly ask how often any of them have asked to contribute to the ritual, and they all swear its as good as it could possibly be, although we have to take their word for it.
Originally posted by twitchy
I'm honestly tired of arguing this, there is a hierarchy in every level of society. To say freemaosnry is somehow free of this most basic human behavior is silly. To say you are equal to the status of Grand Poobah, Knight of Ma Ha Bologna just by taking your third degree is laughable. I could hold twenty PhD's and not a one of them would give me tenure or make me head of a department. It's really beyond debate as far as I am concerned, hell the Boy Scouts and a Herd of Walrus have a hierarchy. Sabat-Work has said in two threads now that there is NO HIERARCHY in Freemasonry. It has deteriorated now to "There is no Hierarchy in Freemasonry except the Lodge Administration and the Grand Lodges..." Ad Nauseum. Hell a colony of Piss Ants has a Hierarchy. get real guys, nobody buys that line.
Originally posted by akilles
I'm sorry, are you a Mason, or just a [edit]?
Originally posted by sebatwerk
Originally posted by akilles
I'm sorry, are you a Mason, or just a [edit]?
Do you always take it upon yourself to insult people when they refute your claims? I have notified the mods of your debauchery above.
Originally posted by Nygdan
Can we say that, a mason who's been in the fraternity for many years, has completed the York and Scottish Rites, was honoured with the 33rd degree, and given other titular honours, is more highly esteemed within the fraternity, and that, perhaps, if he makes a suggestion like 'Lets make the spaghetti dinner into a pancake dinner' that people will listen to him more so than a guy who's only recently completed the 3rd degree?
I mean, surely, as twitchy mentioned, there must be some sort of pecking order, albeit completely informal, within the fraternity. Obviously a Grande Exalted Scottish Knight of the Templar Garter with Hairy Oak Nut Clusters or whatever can't 'pull rank' on a 3rd degree mason, and presumably is one tried to use his 'status' to degrade or insult and run-over a 3rd degree mason it'd be 'bad form', perhaps even a punishable action. But equally obviously, mason's aren't super-human saints. I mean, the very fact that there are high accolades that a mason can acheive means that the people who reached them are in some ways, acheivers, and that that itself is a sort of 'heirarchy'. Of course, thats completely different from a secret nefarious shadow heirarchy
Originally posted by Nygdan
Can we say that, a mason who's been in the fraternity for many years, has completed the York and Scottish Rites, was honoured with the 33rd degree, and given other titular honours, is more highly esteemed within the fraternity, and that, perhaps, if he makes a suggestion like 'Lets make the spaghetti dinner into a pancake dinner' that people will listen to him more so than a guy who's only recently completed the 3rd degree?
Originally posted by Nygdan
Can we say that, a mason who's been in the fraternity for many years, has completed the York and Scottish Rites, was honoured with the 33rd degree, and given other titular honours, is more highly esteemed within the fraternity, and that, perhaps, if he makes a suggestion like 'Lets make the spaghetti dinner into a pancake dinner' that people will listen to him more so than a guy who's only recently completed the 3rd degree?
Royal Arch Degree Oath
I will promote a companion Royal Arch Mason’s political preferment in preference to another of equal qualifications.
I will aid and assist a companion Royal Arch Mason, when engaged in any difficulty, and espouse his cause, so far as to extricate him from the same, if in my power, whether he be right or wrong…. A companion Royal Arch Mason’s secrets, given me in charge as such, and I knowing him to be such, shall remain as secure and inviolable, in my breast as in his own, murder and treason not excepted.
3rd Degree Oath
A Master Mason’s secrets given to me in charge as such, and I knowing him to be such, shall remain as secure and inviolable in my breast as in his own…murder and treason excepted.
Whenever you see any of our signs made by a brother Mason, and especially the grand hailing sign of distress, you must always be sure to obey them, even at the risk of your life. If you’re on a jury, and the defendant is a Mason, and makes the grand hailing sign, you must obey it; you must disagree with your brother jurors, if necessary, but you must be sure not to bring the Mason guilty, for that would bring disgrace upon our order. It may be perjury, to be sure, to do this, but then you’re fulfilling your obligation, and you know if you live up to your obligations you’ll be free from sin.
Masonic Handbook
You must conceal all the crimes of your brother Masons, except murder and treason, and these only at your own option, and should you be summoned as a witness against a brother Mason, be always sure to shield him. Prevaricate, don’t tell the whole truth in this case, keep his secrets, forget the most important points. It may be perjury to do this, it is true, but you’re keeping your obligations, and remember if you live up to your obligations strictly, you’ll be free from sin.
Originally posted by twitchy
Whenever you see any of our signs made by a brother Mason, and especially the grand hailing sign of distress, you must always be sure to obey them, even at the risk of your life. If you’re on a jury, and the defendant is a Mason, and makes the grand hailing sign, you must obey it; you must disagree with your brother jurors, if necessary, but you must be sure not to bring the Mason guilty, for that would bring disgrace upon our order. It may be perjury, to be sure, to do this, but then you’re fulfilling your obligation, and you know if you live up to your obligations you’ll be free from sin.
Masonic Handbook
You must conceal all the crimes of your brother Masons, except murder and treason, and these only at your own option, and should you be summoned as a witness against a brother Mason, be always sure to shield him. Prevaricate, don’t tell the whole truth in this case, keep his secrets, forget the most important points. It may be perjury to do this, it is true, but you’re keeping your obligations, and remember if you live up to your obligations strictly, you’ll be free from sin.
Originally posted by akilles
For the record, neither Axeman or Nygdan know #all about what they are talking about.
Originally posted by twitchy
Sabat-Work, do you know how many little blue books make it out into the world? More than you think, I own several.
Originally posted by twitchy
Sabat-Work, do you know how many little blue books make it out into the world? More than you think, I own several.