Why do many separate the history of Egypt and the rest of Africa?

Originally posted by James the Lesser
Uh, I am surprised no one knows.... Egypt ISN'T Africa, it is Middle East. Egyptians are arab, not black. That is why it is seperated from Africa, for it is an arabic nation, not a black nation. Does no one know this? Like Brazil is not a spanish nation, it is a portugese nation, stuck on a spanish continent. Or how Russia is an "Asian" country yet not asian, like Japan, Korea, China, so forth.

OK OK, Now take out a MAP hmmm a World map and LOOK ( laughing uncontralably now).... You are looking at Eygpt and trying to compare it to other Nations in Africa when Africa has so many to even name here and also languages and racial classifications... How can Eygpt be European when it is on another continent?.... Conquer and Rule?....... That does not make the Population their same Racial classification as the one ruling LOL, or we would all look like BUSH!!!!!!!!!

[edit on 5/2/2005 by AgentGirl]

IT ISN'T AFRICA IT IS MIDDLE EAST! They are Arab, not black. They are not black/African, but arab!

Originally posted by James the Lesser
IT ISN'T AFRICA IT IS MIDDLE EAST! They are Arab, not black. They are not black/African, but arab!

Arabs can't be black? You either belong to the race of 'Arab' or belong to the race of 'Black'? Since when is 'black' a race?

Just a FEW African Rulers :
# Ahmes (1760-1785 see below for date offset)
# Amenhotep I (1785-1806)
# Thutmes I (1806-1817)
# Thutmes II (1817-1828)
# Thutmes III (1828-1882)
# Hatshepsut (1829-1849)
# Amenhotep II (1880-1914)
# Thutmes IV (1914-1923)
# Amenhotep III (1923-1962)
# Akhenaten (1962-1979)
# Smenkhara (1979?)
# Tutankhamen (1980-1988)
# Ay (1988-1992)
# Horemheb (1992-2020)

Like I have stated on the Forum earlier... The contributions by ALL the People who were in Ancient Eygpt made EYGPT!
www.homestead.com...
THE MEDJAY, OR PAN GRAVE, NUBIANS

You can look at this site and read a little about what i am saying here ok
www.homestead.com...


Egypt and Sudan are today known as Arab states, but this has nothing to do with the racial makeup of the first inhabitants lol.... Upper and Lower Eygpt was also " Racially" Diffrent in Ancient times.
Now let's all be nice and hold hands.. KUMBAYAAAAAAAAA







[edit on 5/3/2005 by AgentGirl]

YES! Just like you can't be a white asian, you are either white or asian! What is wrong people? There are 5 main races.
Black
Arab
Hispanic
White
Asian
Indian

Egyptians are Arab, they are not black, just like Chris Rock is black, not Asian, and Mao Tsung(chinese dict. that brought communism to china) is Asian and not Indian. Do I need to explain it anymore?

Prove it... Let's not talk about the Culture ok... anyone can adopt a Culture.. tell me about DNA

www.egyptsearch.com...

An Egyptian friend of mine who live in the USA... doesn't classify himself as white or black..
This is just one more Eygptian that has a problem with the classifications.
Scroll down until u see

Dear Nicole,

I am an Egyptian Copt...

I would rather not post this here, it is offensive.

" When they look at the first human beings in Europe, they must investigate the Grimaldes, a people that were never taught about in school; those small prehistoric Afrikans who were the first inhabitants of Europe. Their remains have been found all over the planet. They were the worlds first Homo Sapiens Sapiens' inhabitants. Also, they must look up the history of the Moors, those Muslim Afrikans who conquered much of Europe, around 700AD, for almost 800 years, and brought civilization, science, art, universities, libraries, paved and lighted streets, chess, the windmill, and a host of other objects that elevated Europe out of the dark ages. "

Ok i dont know where you got this information at but it is wrong, the only nation occupied by the moors was spain, not "most of europe", and the moors were Islamic morrocans. This sounds like the "list" of "black Inventions" where they say a black invented the light bulb where a black only came up with a better filiment. Actually most of science and art came from Italy to spain, also why spainish are roman catholic. Agent girl read a real history book.

Originally posted by Trustnone
" When they look at the first human beings in Europe, they must investigate the Grimaldes, a people that were never taught about in school; those small prehistoric Afrikans who were the first inhabitants of Europe. Their remains have been found all over the planet. They were the worlds first Homo Sapiens Sapiens' inhabitants. Also, they must look up the history of the Moors, those Muslim Afrikans who conquered much of Europe, around 700AD, for almost 800 years, and brought civilization, science, art, universities, libraries, paved and lighted streets, chess, the windmill, and a host of other objects that elevated Europe out of the dark ages. "

Ok i dont know where you got this information at but it is wrong, the only nation occupied by the moors was spain, not "most of europe", and the moors were Islamic morrocans. This sounds like the "list" of "black Inventions" where they say a black invented the light bulb where a black only came up with a better filiment. Actually most of science and art came from Italy to spain, also why spainish are roman catholic. Agent girl read a real history book.

Where in my post did I say Moors and Africans Conqured Europe? I said that Eygpt and other European cultures made Egypt into what is. They all made contributions. I would suggest you read ALL of the posts here and see what was said in this forum ok.
I can see where one member said that Eygpt was not even a PART of AFRICA at all.... I am no History Expert, but I do READ!!!!!!!!!!!!
You seem offended like a few here. This is typical, and it goes back to the Original POST about this topic.
We know where Life originated, that was not the TOPIC here.

you said "conquered most of europe" spain is not most of europe and yes i am offended because the achievements of my ancestors are being snuffed out and rewritten to suit "political corectness"

Originally posted by AgentGirl
Egypt served as a meeting place for people from Africa, the Medditeran, Asia and Europe. So there were alot of contributions made, shared etc... between these cultures. Not only in this area in Africa, but also Western Africa. Like the First University TIMBUKTU

I guess the BIGGEST question here is WHAT IS CAUCASIAN and WHAT IS BLACK AFRICAN?

Have you seenwhat is classified as Caucasian and what is not classified as black? These are ONLY LABELS... and in time.. They always change.... try this one ... This is from the US Census ok
White: A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa. It includes people who indicate their race as "White" or report entries such as Irish, German, Italian, Lebanese, Near Easterner, Arab, or Polish. Do Germans look like Arabs?

[edit on 5/2/2005 by AgentGirl]

It's all one big MESS if u ask me

[edit on 5/2/2005 by AgentGirl]

Is this what you mean? I dont remember saying they conqured most of Europe.. If i did say this. It was a mistake on my part... and i would like it if you can quote me also... ty
YOUR History is all we as Americans know. Growing up in a country where you are only taught someone else's accomplishments and achievements is what I wouls call " Taking Away".
You have no Idea what you are talking about when It comes to this matter.. And you never will understand. Stop with the hatred and first speak... maybe we will get somewhere. Maybe this country ( USA ) will also
because If u haven't heard lately it's falling apart along with all of our people in it( all races in America )

Egypt is often separated from the rest of Africa because we have more knowledge on Egypt. Egyptians left behind all sorts of things for scholars to study; buildings, writings, artifacts. The rest of Africa has these things too, but not in the same numbers. As AgentGirl already mentioned, there was an early university in timbuktu. I also read part of a really cool piece of mythology called the Sundiata (spelling?) from western Africa as part of a history course a couple years back. Hardly anyone has heard of it, however (at least I hadn't until I took the course), but everyone has heard of the Book of the Dead, or Osiris, Anubis, and the rest, due to various popular movies.

I don't think there is a racial issue in the separation of Egypt from the rest of Africa. I think it's a logical scholastic division, based on the amount of knowledge we have on Egypt compared to other areas of Africa. It's a lot easier to spend a few weeks, or a whole course, on Egypt, than it is on most other African cultures. Was the racial composition of ancient Egypt the same or different than modern Egypt? Modern Egypt has both black-skinned people and people that are Arab in appearance; I've met some of each.

Trustnone: I didn't like how rude you were, particularly to AgentGirl, so you are on my ignore list now. Goodbye.
JamestheLesser: You were already on my ignore list for rudeness in religion forums, I only know you are posting here because people quoted you. I also didn't care for how factually inaccurate many of your posts have been in the past, as well as your verbal assaults on other members of the board at various times. Goodbye.

Who are you? Never heard of you, although you are adopted by a buddy, so will keep my opinion on you until I know more.

Anyways, what is wrong? You go to Egypt, they are arab, not black.

Cacausin is white PC, not black, as I said.

Black
White
Hispanic
Asian
Indian
Arab

You can't have black whites, or asian arabs, unless they are mixed, like many whites, they also have a tiny percent of Indian in them, not enough to own a casino, but it's there. Anyways, it may have been different in the past though, but reason Egypt is not "part" of Africa is that they aren't black, they are arab, so part of the Middle East.

There is a big desert that seperates Egypt from the rest of Africa, with the Nile being the only exception as it allows inland activities.

Egypt isnt really classified as seperate, the whole of N. Africa is considered seperate from the south by historians because the North of the continent has had a major impact on Europe and Asia, whereas Africa below the Sahara was an important area until slave trading took off in a big way.

Originally posted by James the Lesser
YES! Just like you can't be a white asian, you are either white or asian! What is wrong people? There are 5 main races.
Black
Arab
Hispanic
White
Asian
Indian

I'm sorry but I find it highly ignorant that you will reserve the color 'Black' or 'White' for two seperate races. These are shades of melanin, not racial distinctions. I still can't believe that you out of all people sincerly believe that melanin count is the sole factor is determining racial lines. I thought you were smarter then that James.

People you can argue anything you want but Africans influenced the middle east and that is a fact, I even covered that in school, but obviously some like supremacy groups are disgusted to even think that "afrikans" even touch any body's blood backgrounds. After all Jesus could, never had “Black Blood in him” right?

Reality Check it was a pure group of races and then it was blending of races during Egypt glorious days.

By the way in ancient times it was not border and they do not have established nations as in modern day countries they form tribes to kingdoms.

From archeology digs and test done to mommies in our modern day is proved of how races evolved in the world including the middle east and it shows how pure African races blended in cross breeding with other races to make what the middle east is today.

Even my husband when he was in the middle east said that Arabs have all kind of skin shade from light (no white) skin to dark (black skin) from straight hair (never blond) to kinky (African type) hair.

Only a few in the post got facts right, and they got some good information.

The point to discuss is as why, Blacks were never given a more center stage in the middle east culture when in fact is (Proven facts) that the Egypt in ancient history has dominance of been conquered by Nubious that were from African race, and dark skinned.

Read facts and not ideologies facts can be proven Ideologies not.

I am proud to have black AfriKan blood in my Spanish Heritage.

Seekerof pretty much got a beautiful picture of the races that make the middle east people including Egyptian. AgentGirl also got some very good facts.

People read the facts.

Why is so hard to believe that Blacks were the first ones around and their influences touch all of us regardless of how your skin has changed since the caveman.

The Egyptian Race According to the Classical Authors of Antiquity
1. To the Greek and Latin writers contemporary with the ancient Egyptians the latter's physical classification posed no problems: the Egyptians were negroes, thick-lipped, kinky-haired and thin-legged; the unanimity of the author's evidence on a physical fact as salient as a people's race will be difficult to minimize or pass over. Some of the following evidence drives home the point.
(a) Herodotus, 'the father of history', -480(?) to -425. With regard to the origins of the Colchians25 he writes:
it is in fact manifest that the Colchidians are Egyptian by race ... several Egyptians told me that in their opinion the Colchidians were descended from soldiers of Sesostris. I had conjectured as much myself from two pointers, firstly because they have black skins and kinky hair (to tell the truth this proves nothing for other peoples have them too) and secondly, and more reliably for the reason that alone among mankind the Egyptians and the Ethiopians have practiced circumcision since time immemorial. The Phoenicians and Syrians of Palestine themselves admit that they learnt the practice from the Egyptians while the Syrians in the river Thermodon and Pathenios region and their neighbors the Macrons say they learnt it recently from the Colchidians. These are the only races which practice circumcision and it is observable that they do it in the same way as the Egyptians. As between the Egyptians themselves and the Ethiopians I could not say which taught the other the practice for among them it is quite clearly a custom of great antiquity. As to the custom having been learnt through their Egyptian connections, a further strong proof to my mind is that all those Phoenicians trading to Greece cease to treat the pudenda after the Egyptian manner and do not subject their offspring to circumcision.26

Who you are going to believe the western book that favor that middle east is white or the real writters of the time the oens that live among the ancient civilizations of the middle east.

Witness of the Bible
1. The Bible tells us. ' . . .the sons of Ham [were] Cush, and Mizraim [i.e. Egypt], and Phut, and Canaan. And the sons of Cush; Seba, and Havilah, and Sabtah, and Raamah, and Sabtechah.56
Generally speaking all Semitic tradition (Jewish and Arab) classes ancient Egypt with the countries of the blacks.
The importance of these depositions cannot be ignored, for these are peoples (the Jews) which lived side by side with the ancient Egyptians and sometimes in symbiosis with them and have nothing to gain by presenting a false ethnic picture of them. Nor is the notion of an erroneous interpretation of the facts any more tenable.57

I am glad that the bible was not written by white supremacy groups, because we may have lost some information that talks about tribes and blood lines to african roots.

www.africawithin.com...







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Truthseeka says:

I'll post some other examples of African civilizations. I'm not surprised that you don't know of any African civilizations besides Egypt; hell, I am all about learning about Africa, but I know little as of now. It's a shame that I have to look up this info on my own, though.

I am anxious to read your examples, truthseeka.

James, you have now made 2 misinformed comments. I would say dumb, but that would be rude.

First off, there are not 5 races, as you claimed. Hell, look at your post; you said five and listed six! In biology, it is currently held that there are 52 distinct racial groups. So, you're wrong.

Like I said, I have met both Arab Egyptians and black African Egyptians. You're wrong again, sorry.

I was talking to my brother's homey yesterday, and he told me that he has Egyptian friends that like here who are black. So I talked to her and she told me that she looks black, but considers herself Egyptian American. I understood that fully, but she went on to say that the Egyptians were Africans. She says that the history has been stolen, thus the confusion on the subject.

Now, these are her words, not mine. I'm not suggesting that she's an expert on Ancient Egypt, but she seemed to know what she was talking about. She also said that they refer to it as ancient Kemet; this was news to me, so I'll research this further.

Anyway, I was just letting y'all know this info. Again, you can't take one person's words as absolute proof, but that doesn't mean there's no truth in what she had to say.

Originally posted by Off_The_Street
I'll post some other examples of African civilizations. I'm not surprised that you don't know of any African civilizations besides Egypt; hell, I am all about learning about Africa, but I know little as of now. It's a shame that I have to look up this info on my own, though.

Yes I agree, with you is amazing that I coming from a spanish country have studied in school the african roots in the ancient civilizations 25 years ago due to the fact that my ancesters came from spain and spain has the moor influence in them.

So is normal to cover what ethnic bacground our spanish heritage have and from where it came from.

When the Arabs raced their army to conquer Spain and Portugal, their army was more of Afrikans warriors than anything else.

When the Romans entered West Africa in 46 B.C., they saw Africans and called them Maures, from the Greek adjective Mauros, meaning dark or black. It is from Mauros and the Latin term Marues that the word Moor is derived. Since the inhabitants of North Africa were black, the Romans and later the Europeans called them Moors. It is no coincidence that the land inhabited by the Moors was called Mauritania and Morocco, meaning "Land of the Blacks."

This is something that they don't teach in US history books unless your are a major in ancient History at college level.

But I had to brush on this when I was in high school in my catholic dominant country along with the reason fro the crusades.

Tarik, a great African chief, was given the rank of general in the Arab army and sent to raid Spain. On April 30, 711, Tarik landed on the Spanish Coast with 7,000 troops. His troops consisted of 300 Arabs and 6,700 native Africans (Moors). An ancient source, Ibn Husayn (ca. 950, recorded that these troops were "Sudanese", an Arabic word for Black people.

www.africawithin.com...

History is an amazing subject and worthy of learning, and is never to late to know everything or at least most of everything.

I hope you keep reading and learning about the amazing ancient people of the middle east.



[edit on 3-5-2005 by marg6043]

OK, Street, this is what I have so far...

The most famous one - Egypt
Less well-known ones:
Nok
Kush (Nubians)
Bantu

I haven't read up on them yet; I have just started a list. I do know, however, that Africans indeed had kingdoms, currency, etc., things you would expect in a "civilization."

Marg, I am surprised that you have learned African history in school. Seriously; I thought that you were supposed to learn in school. Then again, here in the US we're being dumbed down, so I guess it's not our faults that we know little of the history of other cultures, particularly African. I'll check out your links when I have more time.