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Originally posted by syrinx high priest
So if his worldline/timeline is different than ours, why on earth would you believe one post of his about our future ? You can't have it both ways, saying he is a prophet, and then say the timeliens are different. Doesn't work that way
Originally posted by syrinx high priest
so you are now also buying his story that he is responsible for avoiding the Y2K problem ? I have this great bridge in Brooklyn, I can sell it to you cheap.....
So if his worldline/timeline is different than ours, why on earth would you believe one post of his about our future ? You can't have it both ways, saying he is a prophet, and then say the timeliens are different. Doesn't work that way
Originally posted by XPhiles
It is not that I believe in his post, it is that I believe in possible multiverses having similar outcomes.
What may be true in his world may be true in ours but somewhat different or to be false ext...Circumstance is the nucleus of a new worldline. This resemblance of circumstance is what gets my curiosity.
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Anyway, as far as the Y2K thing. Titor never says it occurs during his timeline. He also insists that he can't change the future. So if the Y2K bug never happened on his worldline
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Without his posts how do know what the other worldlines are like?
Just come clean now and say you believe Titor and his story. Don't worry, we won't laugh at you....too hard Anyway, as far as the Y2K thing. Titor never says it occurs during his timeline. He also insists that he can't change the future. So if the Y2K bug never happened on his worldline (and note he was just 3 or so years old when it was supposed to occur) why would he be concerned about it? How does he even know about it?
"You are able to change your worldine for better or worse just as I am."
"Can you stop the war before it gets here? Sure. Will you do it? Probably not."
Therefore, any “prediction” I might make has a slight chance of being incorrect anyway and you now have the ability to act on it based on what I’ve said.
It is impossible for me to change any worldline that I am not on.
Depending on the mission, time travelers are usually chosen for a particular mission based
on their ability to gain the cooperation of someone related to the goal on the target
worldline.
Originally posted by XPhiles
Without his posts how do know what the other worldlines are like?
We really do not need Titors posts to know what worldlines are like do we?
In the quantum world we can see possible multi-universes with infinite worldlines.
Just surround yourself with mirrors, look into them and you will see infinite views.
.....
Why do you want to know if I believe in Titor?
Why laugh?
Would it be funny if time travelers really existed?
If time travelers existed does it threaten you?
The Y2K thing did happen on his timeline which is in ours. He was born in 1998 in our timeline.... common sense says it consequently happened to him, so why ask lol. He will probably not be a time traveler in our worldline.
Which future? Each worldline has its own outcome.
And why does Titor say this:
"You are able to change your worldine for better or worse just as I am."
"Can you stop the war before it gets here? Sure. Will you do it? Probably not."
Therefore, any “prediction” I might make has a slight chance of being incorrect anyway and you now have the ability to act on it based on what I’ve said.
It is impossible for me to change any worldline that I am not on.
On my worldline (A) in 2036, I was given a mission in 1975. I turn my machine on and jump to another worldline (B) in 1975 with about a 2% divergence from (A). From the very point I turn my machine off on (B), I create a new worldline just because I?m there. This line can be described as (C) and started when I got to (B). I am now doing my mission on line (C) in 1975 when I discover a very a good reason to go forward on (C) and see what happened. I turn my machine on and go forward on (C) to the year 2000. When I turn it off, I start another line called (D). So from my perspective, here we are on line (D) in the year 2000.
Simple, other time travelers.... You don't think Titor is the only time traveler do you?
I think you got it the wrong way around.
He commented on it not happening in our timeline! Also, according to him, he was around at that time and had met his 3/4 year old self and his family.
Originally posted by Byrd
The kid writing "Titor" knew almost nothing about computers.
Originally posted by howmuchisthedoggyI think it is widely accepted that he was referring to the "Millenium Bug" which was due to bring about the END OF THE WORLD but in fact turned out to be a bit of a damp squib.
Yes, because he was running his play for fame off that "impending disaster."
John stated that there was a slight divergance between his worldline and ours(a couple of percent or so). Is it possible, to reference the sci-fi story "Distant sound of thunder" that John perhaps came back and deliberately squashed that butterfly?
I'm a retired computer engineer. The idea of Titor "squashing the bug" is hilarious... there never was (as we kept saying) ANY danger. We knew about the bug some 20 years beforehand (1980) and there were (if you hunt for the material) a number of computers on Internet that were hit by the bug.
All that happened Nowas that they would say silly dates (like 1/1/100001) when you asked them to fill in a date. You could override it.
Are we on a totally different world line because the Y2K problem never occurred?
No. Titor was a hoax. There was NEVER any possibility of collapse. Titor is a hoax like Aussie Bloke and German Guy and a thousand others.
quote: Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
I'm talking about the future. That's what all the John Titor threads are about right? What's going to happen in our future.
If you don't believe John Titor's posts like you said then how do you know what this and other worldlines are going to be like?
quote: Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
I said Titor, because his story is so obviously a rip off of other works that it's laughable.
If time travellers and time travel really exsisted then great! That would mean these petty laws set by nature and have been in exsistence since the begining of the universe no longer apply to humans. We could do whatever we wanted!
quote: Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
What are you talking about?
NOT ONCE did he EVER state Y2K happened on his timeline (where he's a time traveller). Where did you get that from?
And it didn't happen on this time line (where he's now 8 years old or so) so common sense says he's never experienced it. So again, what in the world are you talking about?
quote: Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
That's what I'm talking about.
You (or whoever) said he went back to 1975 to fix Y2K. Not possible.
If he wanted to fix Y2K, he would have sayed on C.
quote: Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
We don't know if there are any other time travelers. He said they've never been visited by time travelers so we only know of the time travelers in his worldline which did not experience Y2K
21 November 2000 10:41 am
For a change, I have a question for all of you. I want you to think very hard. What major disaster was expected and prepared for in the last year and a half that never happened?
03/01/2001 11:31 am
How come it doesn't bother you that people may die through your inaction yet you find it "morally wrong" that you might affect lives by active involvement?
I'm not sure I said it didn’t bother me, I only stated I won’t interfere on purpose. Again I refer to a historical example. Before Pearl Harbor was attacked in 1941, a small group of US soldiers were experimenting with a new technology called RADAR. As the Japanese planes were flying toward the island, they actually picked them up in time to thwart the surprise attack. Unfortunately, they were unfamiliar with the equipment and figured it wasn’t working correctly.
Yes, the Pearl Harbor example relates to Y2K. Have you considered that I might already have accidentally screwed up your worldline?
03/24/2001 06:19 pm
What amazes me is why no one here wonders why Y2K didn’t hit them at all?
- JOHN TITOR
03/24/2001 06:19 pm
My parting thought revolves around something J.C. has been harping on since day one. No, I do not have a secret agenda but I have been paying a great deal of attention to your worldline. My interaction with you was not a direct mission parameter but it was a secondary mission protocol based on standing orders given to all temporal drivers. That secondary objective is basically to gather as much information about a worldline based on a set of observable variables when we first arrive. Your worldline met those conditions. What amazes me is why no one here wonders why Y2K didn’t hit them at all?
02/12/01 20:54
why do you keep telling us about the ww3..etc.. how do you know that will even -happen- in our worldline? it may have already been nipped in the bud for all you know..because ours is a different -worldline- from yours!
Yes, you are correct! However, I am not confident things are different enough for you to avoid the conflict. You may also consider the possibility that a world with no war is far less desirable in the long run. In response to your other point, your assumptions about causality are correct but my personal morality still comes into play. I won’t deviate from my three rules because of the way I would feel about myself.
02/19/01 19:25
[I]I guess you are held accountable, in some way, for changes that occur in your time period..[/I]
You’re pretty much correct about your statement but actually, nothing I do here will affect my home. I hold myself accountable for any damage I do
– JOHN TITOR
Originally posted by XPhiles
Ok, first off your trying to fit a square peg into a round hole lol.
Maybe I should rephrase this, It is not that I "need" to believe in his post. As I have no need to rely on John Titor's post to know multiverses exist. I gave you examples above to why this is.
Sometimes the future is predictable, most people prepare for it. If we had no future, then there would be no need for public schools ext... lol. We all have the gift of divination. School, people and everything that is around you inspires your destiny.
You are the passenger not the driver of destiny.
Circumstance is your driver, it is what creates other worldlines, though some would argue to say it is God who drives and that there is no other worldlines.
So now you think I am one who professes to predict future events lol?
Why are you asking me again?
You could yourself rip off other works of life and it would relate to you would it not? Nothing really laughable about that is there. If I was to visit your house I would see things you have that I have in my house lol.
No you could not do what ever you wanted, you are still bound by the laws of nature, such as death. Say you are a time traveler and you get into a gun battle that ended up you being shot dead.. The conscious you will die in that worldline.
Ah, but I know what you might say, If you are bound by the laws of nature you can not time travel. So how do you know this?
Show me the law book lol.
In a Universe made up of infinite worldliness (superuniverse), everything is possible.
I think you fail to understand what worldlines are or we fail to understand each other. In this worldline the word Y2K has appeared, Titor is supposedly born in 1998 in my worldline.... that is my point, though he is or will be aware of Y2K in my worldline. So YES Titor has experienced Y2K......He will probably be or not be a time traveler in our worldline, but that is left to circumstance.
Did I say "Titor stated Y2K happend on his worldline." NO...
... I'm only expressing it could have. From his posts he really does not say he experienced Y2K in his 2036 timeline.
Who is to say he didn't though. After all there is infinite possibilities.
We are aware of Y2K right, so how do you know time travelers in his worldline did not experience Y2K ?
Are you saying they did not experience it. Or not aware of it? Or both?
quote: Originally posted by howmuchisthedoggy
The most chilling part in my mind is when he says “You may also consider the possibility that a world with no war is far less desirable in the long run”. In other words, the war was horrific but the end results were the US emerged a stronger more unified country and the NWO were defeated. In our worldline, if there is no war then the NWO are still in power which throws all his predictions out the window.
The title of this thread was “John Titor - No Need to Worry?” Maybe we escaped Civil War and WWIII, but was the devil we knew was coming better than the devil we don’t know is coming?
quote: Originally posted byThatsJustWeird
You know for a fact mutiverses exsist? How?
quote: Originally posted byThatsJustWeird
What are you talking about?
quote: Originally posted byThatsJustWeird
What the people who put together the Titor story did borderlines plagiarism. They took pieces of other works of fiction and called it their own.
quote: Originally posted byThatsJustWeird
I'll show you the book as soon as you show me a human body that's capable of handeling what it would take to time travel. And show me what earthly elements would be able to withstand what it would take to time travel. And show me a machine that is able to harness the power and energy it would take to time travel. And since it's extremely possible if not likely that you would end up in a different worldline, show me how one would test this device before sending a fragile human body in it.
quote: Originally posted byThatsJustWeird
Problem is, Y2K never happened in the 1998 worldline which we currently live in.
So when he grows up, what? He just sits around thinking "I remember when I was a kid some people talked about Y2K. Nothing ever happened but I think I'll go in my time machine anyway and try to fix something that never happened."
That makes no sense.
quote: Originally posted byThatsJustWeird
And again, if it happened during his time, then our worldline is dramatically different from his.
quote: Originally posted by syrinx high priest
seriously, anyone need a bridge in brooklyn ?
Originally posted by syrinx high priest
I have my eyes open, and I also know BS when I see it
do we need a torino countdown clock on ATS ?
Originally posted by XPhiles
quote: Originally posted byThatsJustWeird
You know for a fact mutiverses exsist? How?
I have already told you in this thread. Halo 2 is how LMAO. In theory it is possible.
Why you want to know, do you want to visit one?
You asked me about the future, you said "What's going to happen in our future."
I answered "sometimes the future is predictable" that is my answer. The rest is rant.
I'm sure you could find any book to compare it with, maybe a recipe book would work into the mixture.
Why would I need to show you, when you could find all that in the Titor story?
Do you realize that you contradict yourself, first you say Titor remembers it as a kid, then I ask you, "did they not experience it. Or not aware of it? Or both?"
Your answer is = both.
If your answer is both, then how does Titor remembering Y2K?
Well I'm glad someone realizes why the civil war has not started "yet" lol.
My initial flight was from 2036 to 1975 (61 yrs). I then went from 1975 to 2000 (25 yrs.) Later this year, one of two favorable windows will open and I will return to my 2036 (35 yrs.) I am here now for personal reasons.
If Y2K happened on his worldline and not ours (period, there was no delay or anything. It didn't happen period), then why would a civil war that happened on his worldline happen on ours?
If Y2K happened on his worldline, then his worldline in WAAAY over the 2% divergence he predicted this world to be from his making everything he stated that happened unlikely for this worldline.