Arizona court to review ruling that abortion doctors can’t be charged under pre-statehood law

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PHOENIX (AP) — The Arizona Supreme Court has agreed to review a lower court’s conclusion that abortion doctors can’t be prosecuted under a pre-statehood law that bans the procedure in nearly all cases.

The high court decided on Tuesday that it would review the Arizona Court of Appeals ruling that said doctors couldn’t be charged for performing abortions in the first 15 weeks of pregnancy because other Arizona laws passed over the years allow them to perform the procedure.

Abortions are currently allowed in Arizona in the first 15 weeks of pregnancy under a 2022 law.

Abortion and abortion rights always seem to attract the attention of lawmakers, politicians, the press, and of course the public. In Arizona abortions are legal until the first 15 weeks of pregnancy but a movement wants to see a total ban on abortions based on a 1864 law which imposes a near total ban in all abortions and under all circumstances unless a mother's life is in danger. The 1864 has been blocked shortly after the U.S. Supreme Court issued the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision guaranteeing a constitutional right to an abortion.

So the question is can the 1864 law and the current laws on abortion in Arizona coexist? It seems not possible because abortions are legal in the State of Arizona until week-15 in the pregnancy.

But the 1864 law was blocked based on the 1973 Roe v Waden decision. The Supreme Court has overturned the 1973 decision back in 2022 and abortion is no longer a constitutional right. If the 1973 decision has been overturned by the Supreme Court can the 1864 law become active again? If it does become active then the current State laws on abortion have to be abandoned.

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You can't make abortion go away. You can only make safe abortions in a sterile environment go away.

originally posted by: LordAhriman
You can't make abortion go away. You can only make safe abortions in a sterile environment go away.

And force hardship on women and their families.

a reply to: AlienBorg

If the Arizona Supreme Court rules against abortions, it pretty much guarantees the state will go Blue next year.

a reply to: quintessentone

Force ?

How about taking responsibility for your own actions ? How about using birth control like the pill, implants or injections ? Or telling the man "no condom, no play time". Most state health services hand them out for free, along with the pill. Some will cover implants or other forms of birth control.

I'm almost 59, slept with more than a few women and managed to not have kids until I was married.
I'm not saying outlaw abortion, but it should not be used as an excuse to throw caution to the wind.

originally posted by: Threadbare
a reply to: AlienBorg

If the Arizona Supreme Court rules against abortions, it pretty much guarantees the state will go Blue next year.

Do the people of the state have no say in that?

a reply to: quintessentone

The majority of the people want access to abortions. Every time a measure to outlaw abortion is on the ballot there is a large turnout from women and young voters to vote against the measure.

After SCOTUS overturned Roe, I predicted it would cost the GOP their Red Wave in 2020 and I was right.

If the Arizona Supreme Court outlaws abortion, it pretty much guarantees Biden a win the next year and may even cost the GOP some seats in Congress.

a reply to: DAVID64

Why do these arguments always end with putting all the blame and burden on the woman's shoulders? What do you have against women making big boy decisions that have absolutely no affect on your life?

originally posted by: LordAhriman
You can't make abortion go away. You can only make safe abortions in a sterile environment go away.

In reality you can't.
But there are States where abortion has been made a very difficult process according to their laws or banned altogether. I think Texas has banned abortions under all circumstances with the exception when the mother's life is under danger.

a reply to: strongfp

Really not a debate of blame, but when they want to make it everyone else problem that they ended up pregnant except their own. That is the problem.

I understand that not everyone wanting/needing an abortion is doing it because they had consensual relations, there are people that are doing this out of necessity. Whether that be from rape, consensual relations causing health issues, or any other means that would cause harm to the mother and/or the child.

a reply to: PorkChop96

they want to make it everyone else problem that they ended up pregnant except their own

Who is 'they'? And how are they trying to make it everyone else's issue?

All women want (majority of them and voting stats indicate this) is to have safe access to abortions up to a certain point, after that fact, it's literally no one else's business. Yet, everytime this topic gets brought up its ALWAYS the woman getting the brunt of the flack.

originally posted by: Threadbare
a reply to: AlienBorg

If the Arizona Supreme Court rules against abortions, it pretty much guarantees the state will go Blue next year.

You don't know whether this will happen just because of abortion.There are many people who are against abortion, including women, and the dynamics are quite different when you factor all other major issues in politics.

Btw Arizona is blue as Biden is one of the very few Democrats who have won the State but very marginally. Just as in Georgia and other States. There is still an issue about all these marginal wins for which Trump is getting indicted again and again...... It's likely this will be a determining factor in the next presidential elections.

a reply to: AlienBorg

Look at what has happened in every other site that has attempted to restrict abortion. It has caused a massive uptick in young and female voters that vote Dem. As you yourself said, the margins in Arizona are thin. If a similar thing happens in Arizona, it would easily give Biden the win.

a reply to: strongfp

The women that want to put the fault of them needing an abortion on everyone's shoulders but their own

I understand what you are saying, I am not against abortion. It's your body do with it what you want. As long as it doesn't affect me I couldn't care less. But don't blame others for something you yourself could have prevented in the first place, in most cases.

originally posted by: Threadbare
a reply to: AlienBorg

Look at what has happened in every other site that has attempted to restrict abortion. It has caused a massive uptick in young and female voters that vote Dem. As you yourself said, the margins in Arizona are thin. If a similar thing happens in Arizona, it would easily give Biden the win.

The young and part of female voters will see it in a different way to middle age and older voters.

But the result of this election is the reason why abortion may not be the most significant topic or deciding factor. Election interference and fraud are much stronger together with the indictments against Trump that have made so popular and without any competition for the republican nomination.

Why is it almost always men bitching about abortion? Example: this thread.

a reply to: LordAhriman

NVM

originally posted by: LordAhriman
Why is it almost always men bitching about abortion? Example: this thread.

Why is is always political men and/or christian men pushing for abortion bans?

a reply to: PorkChop96

The women that want to put the fault of them needing an abortion on everyone's shoulders but their own

What are you talking about? A woman's choice has nothing to do with who's at fault. That's the beauty of legal access to clean and safe abortions, they're "no fault".

Now force that woman, who sought an abortion, to give birth, then you're going to have finger pointing and blame.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Most of the time, from things I have seen, those that "need" an abortion are because they were not being smart and got knocked up form some drunk dude at a party and want to get rid of it. But don't want to take accountability that they had the option to not sleep with the dude in the first place. Just as the guy should have been smart and used protection as well.