Everything is consciousness.

a reply to: Untun
The opening statement of A Course in Miracles, “Nothing real can be threatened. Nothing unreal exists. Herein lies the peace of God.”

And the conclusion of Neurologist Robert Lanza's Biocentrism books, written with a quantum physicist Robert Berman, is basically the same thing.

The Course in miracles is written by a female phycologist claiming to channel Jesus Christ, and the Biocentrism series is written by a Neurologist and Quantum Physicist drawing conclusions from recent Quantum Physics findings.

And they completely agree that this world is basically a creation of our "consciousness" (referred to as "real" in the Biocentrism books and "unreal" in the Course in Miracles) and is of little consequence, and our "consciousness" is eternal and cannot be threatened (referred to as not part of the "real" world in the Biocentrism Books and "real" in The Course in Miracles). The reference change is only due to the point of view taken in each case.

I just find it fascinating that the very fringe metaphysical and the very hard core modern scientists basically agree... the energy of our consciousness is eternal and unassailable.

And the world we see every day is basically something we essentially make up as we go along, nothing more.

‘With our thoughts we make the world.’

Buddha.

a reply to: Untun

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: Untun

Do you think the drop still exist as an individual consciousness with an individual experience, experiencing the whole from a diffrent perspective, once it merged?

Isn't that the reason to separate in the first place?

You can only observe something and give a meaningful feedback if you have something to look at.
if there is only one consciousness what would it look at?

Why separate if the only reason is to merge?

Sounds fishy...

We are aspects of the creator experiencing the creation.

That is why it is important to love your neighbor as you do yourself and the creator with all your ‘be’ing.

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: Untun


But wah? Nothing cannot exist because if it did,,,,,,,,it would be something.........

In that line of reasoning everything is full/filled, there are no holes.

I'm enjoying this new part of the puzzle.

originally posted by: Untun
I'm enjoying this new part of the puzzle.

Consciousness may never be everything without the right input. It just doesn't happen the same way with all of us.

a reply to: Dalamax

But the three are no separate thing...

a reply to: Untun

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: Untun

But wah? Nothing cannot exist because if it did,,,,,,,,it would be something.........

Nothing is appearing to happen.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Untun
I'm enjoying this new part of the puzzle.

Consciousness may never be everything without the right input. It just doesn't happen the same way with all of us.

There is nothing separate that can input anything.

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: Untun

I see you narrowed it down what consciousness is by declaring it everything.
You won't convince anybody with that and you still don't have the faintest clue what consciousness is.

2 people had already expressed their agreement with Untun. Of course, those who are yet to be convinced are probably a bit less inclined to believe such a sweeping statement. In case it is partially based on a misunderstanding of quantum mechanics (that wasn't entirely clear, but it is a popular misunderstanding that at least some commenters here may have misunderstood about the role of consciousness shaping reality, a subject often associated with the vague phrase 'mind over matter', which can be interpreted and misapplied in many ways, such as applying it to the idea that one can change material reality with their thoughts as for example ancientlight mentioned, The Matrix-type of stuff; so in that case, this is a reminder):

"The role of the observer in QM is not to cause an abrupt reduction of the wave packet with the state of the system jumping discontinuously at the instant when it's observed. The picture of the observer interrupting the course of natural events is unnecessary and misleading. What really happens is that the quantum description of an event ceases to be meaningful as the observer changes the point of reference from before the event to after it. We don't need a human observer to make QM work, all we need is a point of reference, to seperate the past from the future, to seperate what has happened from what may happen, to seperate facts from probabilities." (Freeman Dyson, in the presentation below after 23:06)

In other words, reality is not dependent on a conscious observer for its existence (or the state of its existence and its attributes), nor does the conscious act of observing something, change or affect what that thing is, how it exists or its attributes. Dr. Schrödinger already demonstrated this to be the case when he brought up the paradox/contradiction concerning what has become known as "Schrödinger's Cat".

a reply to: whereislogic

There is no observer.......

The assumption is that 'you' see 'something'........that's two things....you + something.

There isn't two.

originally posted by: NickK3
a reply to: Untun
...

I just find it fascinating that the very fringe metaphysical and the very hard core modern scientists basically agree... the energy of our consciousness is eternal and unassailable.

I find it fascinating as well, but in the sense that it is a further indication for me that they take their inspiration from the same source. “The ruler of this world,” “who is misleading the entire inhabited earth.” (John 12:31; 14:30; 16:11; Revelation 12:9)

Similarity in style is a considerable indication for me. As that style is described in various Bible texts, off the top of my head: Col 2:8; 1 Tim 6:20; 1 Tim 4:1,2; 2 Tim 4:3,4; 2 Tim 3:5-7; Eph 4:14; 1 Cor. 1:19-25; Isaiah 5:20,21.

Coming back to the claim "the energy of our consciousness is eternal and unassailable", which could be used or interpreted as an introduction to the idea that the real 'you' will never die (as in, cease to exist). Genesis 3:4:

At this the serpent said to the woman: “You certainly will not die.”

Yep, it's the first lie ever told to humankind. And it gets modified over time to hide its origin and falseness (having been proven false time and time again, but he found a loophole):

“Neither the people nor the leaders of religious thought [in Babylon] ever faced the possibility of the total annihilation of what once was called into existence. Death was a passage to another kind of life.”—The Religion of Babylonia and Assyria, p. 556. (if death is a passage to another kind of life, then you don't really die, so death isn't really death anymore in the bolded phrase, talking in contradictions as described at 1 Tim 6:20)

And that Babylonian thinking (finding its origin with the first one who said Eve wasn't going to die) then gives rise to this modification of the original lie:

Myth 1: The Soul Is Immortal (One Myth Leads to Another)

And then you get others swapping out the concept of an immaterial immortal soul by talking about "the energy of our consciousness" being "eternal and unassailable". Or some variation on that general notion.

a reply to: whereislogic

That's the pop-culture misconception of QM: no thing or particle needs an observer to become part of material reality, it's all just the Higgs Field + Quantum Decoherence.
Consciousness is really only important once the information/probablitlty made it all the way to matter and then the step to life.
Everything else is just wishful thinking of the anthropocentric crowd who just can't believe the world/multiverse wasn't specifically designed for humans.
Which I think is so outlandish and ridiculous it speaks for unbridled narcissism masked as religion.

a reply to: Peeple

Since the supreme consciousness exhalted as creator of all things was before particles, creator of particles and caretaker of particles, particles can be always observed. Without this consciousness these things wouldn't exist and exist because of this consciousness which will never leave. The supreme consciousness is eternal and is the foundation of material particles so without their observer they would not exist therefore particles only exists because of the observer.

Do not consider yourself the observer but rather the inhuman obeserver aware of you observing you and these particles.

GOD

a reply to: Untun

...creator of all things was before particles, creator of particles and caretaker of particles, particles can be always observed.

How? As consciousness in a vacuum? As singularity in a dimensionless void of pure highly concentrated information in a dot? And it was itself not created but what "plopped spontaneously and by chance" into being just so it could start increasing entropy all around it?

The Higgs Field provides a perfectly reasonable mechanism how probabilities gain mass and become "real" matter.
How would a God "observe" anything? Not with eyes surely, right? Touching things? Letting them slide through his skin/membrane?

um except unconsciousness like the Upanishads state as the Ayala one...

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: Dalamax

But the three are no separate thing...

Dude. Neither is anyone else

a reply to: Peeple

God is inhuman. As humans it is natural to think seeing requires eyes, walking requires legs, feet or paws, eating requires a mouth and a digesitive system. Inhuman things have other ways of seeing, but sure, you could consider it eyes. Bats for instance see with echolocation, it's a different sight. Infrared is also different and those are only the things we discovered as humans. There could be plenty more ways to see things we don't know about. What about echolocation, infrared and how we see things all at the same time, with even 3.000.000 other ways to see things we don't know about. That is possibly divine.

Sciences thinks at the speed of light you would see all of the past and the future of the entire universe all at once, like being the center of the universe observing everything that ever has happened and will happen. Religious texts speak of "the light" as All Seeing.

originally posted by: Crowfoot
um except unconsciousness like the Upanishads state as the Ayala one...

I would like to read more about that......but can't seem to find anything online.