The cosmic powers over this present darkness.

a reply to: Untun

I was rather pointing to ways unseen. The sciences forums might be the ones you were looking for.

The thing is the statement "Darkness is the absence of light" is both scientific and metaphysically relevant.

In this instance, one seems rather synonymous with the other, or do you disagree?

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: ltrz2025


Technically darkness cannot be measured directly because it is once again the absence of light.

Darkness and light are both things, light is not the absence of darkness and darkness is not the absence of light. With light you don't see the darkness, yet the darkness is there being very dark, we just tend to see the light, that's how we are biologically designed.

a reply to: Untun

Darkness and light are both things, light is not the absence of darkness and darkness is not the absence of light.

Seems to me darkness and light are both concepts that refer to different aspects of the absence or presence of visible light.

Darkness being the absence of light, while light is the presence of electromagnetic radiation visible to the human eyes.

I suppose from a psychological and physical perspective both can have different effects on our perception of the world.

And they play important roles in various fields such as physics, biology, and astronomy, never mind many others.

With light you don't see the darkness, yet the darkness is there being very dark, we just tend to see the light, that's how we are biologically designed.

Well, that's down to the way we evolved i suppose, or were created/designed if that's more your bag.

The way that our eyes function, at least to my limited understanding of the matter, being they gather and focus light onto the retina which contains photoreceptor cells called rods and cones, which are responsible for converting the light into electrical signals that can be interpreted by our brain.

Again we cannot directly measure what constitutes darkness because there simply is not anything to measure.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Untun


Again we cannot directly measure what constitutes darkness because there simply is not anything to measure.

Is there nothing when no light is shining, or are you saying we don't have the equipment to measure? Darkness is a part of the universe just like light is. Remove all the light in the universe and you'll be left with darkness, you're not left without a universe.

a reply to: Untun

Is there nothing when no light is shining, or are you saying we don't have the equipment to measure?

Buddy from a physics perspective you can only measure what can be observed and darkness cannot be measured without indirectly measuring the amount of light present in the environment.

As to having the equipment to measure, well that's one of the larger problems science faces with respect to the likes of detecting dark matter/energy with telescopes or other observational methods because it does not interact with light or other forms of electromagnetic radiation.

Darkness is a part of the universe just like light is. Remove all the light in the universe and you'll be left with darkness, you're not left without a universe.

Darkness is a natural phenomenon that is indeed part of the universe aka darkness being the absence of visible light.

Remove all the light in the universe and you will be left with something called "the big chill" or "the big freeze" aka "the heat-death of the universe" which may very well turn out to be the case once our universe has reached a state of maximum entropy in around "1.7×10106 years" if protons decay.

www.physlink.com...

en.wikipedia.org...#:~:text=The%20different%20eras%20of%20the,106%20years%2C%20if%20protons%2 0decay.

en.wikipedia.org...#:~:text=The%20heat%20death%20of%20the,sustain%20processes%20that%20increase%20entropy.

But now i really am sounding rather ""Sciency"" and possibly drifting off-topic, i do apologise.

a reply to: Untun

Life has purpose for sure. But we will never find God out there. We can only find God in ourselves. When we find God in ourselves then we will find God out there and everywhere. That's if, that be our single desire.

Love

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Untun


Darkness is a natural phenomenon that is indeed part of the universe aka darkness being the absence of visible light.

Without darkness light would have nothing to shine into. Like a sheet of paper makes what is written readable so does darkness make the light appear visible.

a reply to: glend

When we find God, God finds us.

a reply to: Untun

Without darkness light would have nothing to shine into. Like a sheet of paper makes what is written readable so does darkness make the light appear visible.

Suppose that's correct from a certain perspective because in a sense light needs darkness in order to be visible, without darkness there would be nothing for light to shine into or on to, but light and darkness are not opposites, more like complements.

Similar to the idea of sound and silence, aka silence is not the opposite of sound, but rather the absence of sound.

Need to grab a cup of coffee, but enjoying the conversation.

a reply to: andy06shake

Light and darkness both exist at the same time. When you have two rooms in your house and in one room you burn a candle and the other you leave dark, light and darkness both exist at the same time in your house. Darkness seems natural while to have light you seemingly need to bring stress to darkness.

a reply to: Untun

Jesus said: "Whoever drinks from the water that I will give him will never get thirsty at all, but the water that I will give him will become in him a spring of water bubbling up to impart everlasting life."-John 4:14.

And in another place: "For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it."-Matthew 16:25.

To truly gain life you must be willing to lose it for the sake of Jesus' name. If you are willing to reject Jesus and try to save your own life you will lose it.

Jesus says: "Whoever is fond of his life destroys it, but whoever hates his life in this world will safeguard it for everlasting life."-John 12:25.

Whomever loves their own life more than they do our Father in the heaven Jehovah, who is the provider and sustainer of life, or his son Jesus Christ who is the "way and the truth and the life" will be destroyed. But whomever is willing to have their life destroyed for the sake of truth, for Jehovah's name, and as witnesses for Jesus will have their lives saved.

a reply to: Untun

Yes, darkness is indeed natural but it's still simply the absence of visible light, and it occurs naturally in many situations.

The main difference being light is a form of electromagnetic radiation that can be produced by various sources, aka our sun, stars, light bulbs, or fires but to name a few, whereas darkness is once again the absence of visible light and does not have a physical source.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Untun

Yes, darkness is indeed natural but it's still simply the absence of visible light, and it occurs naturally in many situations.

The main difference being light is a form of electromagnetic radiation that can be produced by various sources, aka our sun, stars, light bulbs, or fires but to name a few, whereas darkness is once again the absence of visible light and does not have a physical source.

Light is only natural where God is not present. God is light and the source of all light. In God's presence there is no darkness, there is no night:

"Also, night will be no more, and they have no need of lamplight or sunlight, for Jehovah God will shed light upon them, and they will rule as kings forever and ever."-Revelation 22:5.

"Its gates will not be closed at all by day, for night will not exist there."-Revelation 21:25.

"No more will your sun set,
Nor will your moon wane,
For Jehovah will become for you an eternal light,
And the days of your mourning will have ended."
-Isaiah 60:20.

a reply to: randomuser

In that sense we need to lose to find.

1 Corinthians 3;18 Take care that no one deceives himself. If anyone among you thinks that he is wise in this age, he must become foolish, so that he may become wise.

A popcorn kernel doesn't know it is a popcorn kernel until it pops. Once it realizes it is a kernel it pops into popcorn. The hot oil the kernel is put into stimulates becoming aware of itself, and once it realizes it is useless it turns into something useful.

a reply to: randomuser

Light is only natural where God is not present. God is light and the source of all light. In God's presence their is no darkness, there is no night:

So god is not present in the universe then? Because that's full of light.

The first words out of the big dude's mouth were something along the lines of "Let there be light" or so I'm led to believe.

As to the rest of the scripture you present randomuser, the sentiment is appreciated.

originally posted by: Untun
a reply to: randomuser

In that sense we need to lose to find.

1 Corinthians 3;18 Take care that no one deceives himself. If anyone among you thinks that he is wise in this age, he must become foolish, so that he may become wise.

A popcorn kernel doesn't know it is a popcorn kernel until it pops. Once it realizes it is a kernel it pops into popcorn. The hot oil the kernel is put into stimulates becoming aware of itself, and once it realizes it is useless it turns into something useful.

True.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: randomuser

Light is only natural where God is not present. God is light and the source of all light. In God's presence their is no darkness, there is no night:

So god is not present in the universe then? Because that's full of light.

The first words out of the big dude's mouth were something along the lines of "Let there be light" or so I'm led to believe.

As to the rest of the scripture you present randomuser, the sentiment is appreciated.

God is not confined to our physical reality. He exists outside the physical universe. It is by means of his energy that it came into existence. I appreciate your thoughts as well.

a reply to: Untun

Analogies aside mate.

A popcorn kernel doesn't know it is a popcorn kernel at all.

Same as a rock is simply a rock, they are not self-aware never mind aware of itself.

a reply to: randomuser

God is not confined to our physical reality. He exists outside the physical universe. It is by means of his energy that it came into existence.

So outside of space-time?

Some proof might be nice there randomuser.

And good luck measuring that.

That's faith mate, not physics.

Another thing i suppose that cannot be measured.

Aye its just banter and debate, i enjoy spitballing the little idiosyncrasies between science and philosophy.

Somewhere in between there is even some middle ground to be had, few and far between all the same.

a reply to: andy06shake

The universe is the physical source of darkness as well as it is the physical source of light. Nothing is nothing in the universe, everything in the universe exists. The universe is the source of all things in it.