Free spike protein plays a major role in the development of myocarditis post vaccination

a reply to: nugget1

Those with stronger immune systems are going to suffer higher incidence of negative reaction...

When the spike protein gets into the brain, heart or cardio tissues, organs, nervous system, or wherever else it gets, the cells which have bound to the spike are now seen by the immune system as altered cells and will be destroyed.

Thrombocytopenic Purpura showed up in numerous young people early on. That is a condition where the immune system attacks red blood cells, and the pieces collect under the skin in the appearance of dark lesions, usually on the face or in the mouth. The presence of the spike in the red blood cells is a danger signal, and the immune systems attacks.

Same with Aortic Dissection. Spike protein in the aortic cells, the immune system keeps chipping away until the wall is so thin it cannot contain the pressure and it ruptures.

a reply to: Asmodeus3


It remains to be deciphered how long spike protein-specific cells persist after vaccination.

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originally posted by: v1rtu0s0
I think we know what's going on now:

Think again

originally posted by: MaxxAction
a reply to: nugget1

Those with stronger immune systems are going to suffer higher incidence of negative reaction...

When the spike protein gets into the brain, heart or cardio tissues, organs, nervous system, or wherever else it gets, the cells which have bound to the spike are now seen by the immune system as altered cells and will be destroyed.

Thrombocytopenic Purpura showed up in numerous young people early on. That is a condition where the immune system attacks red blood cells, and the pieces collect under the skin in the appearance of dark lesions, usually on the face or in the mouth. The presence of the spike in the red blood cells is a danger signal, and the immune systems attacks.

Same with Aortic Dissection. Spike protein in the aortic cells, the immune system keeps chipping away until the wall is so thin it cannot contain the pressure and it ruptures.

The article I linked is a bombshell actually as it diminishes the chances from Covid related myocarditis and pointe directly to free spike proteins. All those who have had issues post vaccination are most likely to be from the mRNA vaccines.

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0
I think we know what's going on now:

Didn't you personally predict that this would happen due to people being stuck at home during the lockdown?

Are you saying now that you were wrong?

a reply to: Asmodeus3

I probably should have clarified that I was talking about the spike form the vaxx...

The majority of issues observed with the vaccine were not present with covid infection except in the most severe infections, and primarily in those who had poor health to begin with.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0
I think we know what's going on now:

Didn't you personally predict that this would happen due to people being stuck at home during the lockdown?

Are you saying now that you were wrong?

Another strawman argument phrased in the form of a question.

I suppose you don't have anything to say about the cause of myocarditis post vaccination and probably the cause of other diseases. But only offer vaccine apologetics and strawman arguments.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

As with pretty much everything that gets posted here that isn't an outright hoax, this isn't particularly new or surprising.

I can't seem to upload anything right now, but it you look at the graphs in figure 7S (Lin k) you'll see that it confirms that this is a relatively ordinary data set showing post vaccination heart inflammation predominantly found in younger men of a type that's been known about for years before mRNA vax were used Link

The same graphs also demonstrate that this is a short term side effect that manifests and resolves itself within the predicted efficacy period of the mRNA itself.

Further demonstrating that this is in line with known parameters and is neither new nor surprising.

For most people this simply part of the normal "flu like symptoms" associated with multiple different vax, and it's often so low level that people don't really notice it.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0
I think we know what's going on now:

Didn't you personally predict that this would happen due to people being stuck at home during the lockdown?

Are you saying now that you were wrong?

Another strawman argument phrased in the form of a question.

I suppose you don't have anything to say about the cause of myocarditis post vaccination and probably the cause of other diseases. But only offer vaccine apologetics and strawman arguments.

You do know that something needs to be an argument in order for it to be a strawman "argument", don't you?

The poster in question make a big thing during lockdown claiming that there would be a rise in heart disease due to people staying at home eating chips and dips in front of the TV instead of being active. Or at least something to that effect.

Now, when their prediction - which is in line with the science - comes true they instead try to associate it with every kind of doom porn going. So, by their own admission, they must either be wrong now, or wrong then.

And yes, I do have something to say about "myocarditis post vaccination". It's something that we knew would happen, we just weren't sure how common it would be. I actually have a link in my signature to a very well known study that details how common it is and what the risk factors are in regards to the vax.

This is something that we've seen with other vaccinations (Link), and it's due to a general inflammatory response caused by way that the body responds to a viral threat (Link)

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Asmodeus3

As with pretty much everything that gets posted here that isn't an outright hoax, this isn't particularly new or surprising.

I can't seem to upload anything right now, but it you look at the graphs in figure 7S (Lin k) you'll see that it confirms that this is a relatively ordinary data set showing post vaccination heart inflammation predominantly found in younger men of a type that's been known about for years before mRNA vax were used Link

The same graphs also demonstrate that this is a short term side effect that manifests and resolves itself within the predicted efficacy period of the mRNA itself.

Further demonstrating that this is in line with known parameters and is neither new nor surprising.

For most people this simply part of the normal "flu like symptoms" associated with multiple different vax, and it's often so low level that people don't really notice it.

What graphs are you talking about?
Nobody takes what your arguments and claims seriously after most of your posts have been repeatedly refuted. You were still claiming a few days ago that herd immunity through vaccination is possible and has been achieved in your country. This is a debunked claim together with everything else you have posted.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0
I think we know what's going on now:

Didn't you personally predict that this would happen due to people being stuck at home during the lockdown?

Are you saying now that you were wrong?

Another strawman argument phrased in the form of a question.

I suppose you don't have anything to say about the cause of myocarditis post vaccination and probably the cause of other diseases. But only offer vaccine apologetics and strawman arguments.

You do know that something needs to be an argument in order for it to be a strawman "argument", don't you?

The poster in question make a big thing during lockdown claiming that there would be a rise in heart disease due to people staying at home eating chips and dips in front of the TV instead of being active. Or at least something to that effect.

Now, when their prediction - which is in line with the science - comes true they instead try to associate it with every kind of doom porn going. So, by their own admission, they must either be wrong now, or wrong then.

And yes, I do have something to say about "myocarditis post vaccination". It's something that we knew would happen, we just weren't sure how common it would be. I actually have a link in my signature to a very well known study that details how common it is and what the risk factors are in regards to the vax.

This is something that we've seen with other vaccinations (Link), and it's due to a general inflammatory response caused by way that the body responds to a viral threat (Link)

You ain't seem to know anything about myocarditis post vaccination. You only engage in vaccine apologetics and denialism of reality as well as defending the pharmaceuticals.

I like that you pull out a case from the Archives in relation to influenza to make comparisons with myocarditis post Covid-19 vaccination...

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Asmodeus3

As with pretty much everything that gets posted here that isn't an outright hoax, this isn't particularly new or surprising.

I can't seem to upload anything right now, but it you look at the graphs in figure 7S (Lin k) you'll see that it confirms that this is a relatively ordinary data set showing post vaccination heart inflammation predominantly found in younger men of a type that's been known about for years before mRNA vax were used Link

The same graphs also demonstrate that this is a short term side effect that manifests and resolves itself within the predicted efficacy period of the mRNA itself.

Further demonstrating that this is in line with known parameters and is neither new nor surprising.

For most people this simply part of the normal "flu like symptoms" associated with multiple different vax, and it's often so low level that people don't really notice it.

You are saying that most of what is posted here are hoaxes.

That's another strawman argument.

I suppose you are referring to the several cases of vaccine injuries and deaths which have been verified by coroners and medical examiners? I have posted quite a lot of cases. Or the peer-reviewed publications and pre-prints as well as other scientific articles?

Are you not taking a look at the posts you have made? Most if not all of your claims have been refuted repeatedly. You have entered the realms of misinformation and propaganda.

nmd

a reply to: all2human

The findings of this paper are just too significant to dismiss or disregard.

It looks like the major effect for pathogenesis post vaccination are the free spike proteins that can travel anywhere in the human body and can cause s range of conditions.

First, in response to the title, "Free spike protein plays a major role in the development of myocarditis post vaccination," let me say simply... DUH!

I've suspected this for over a year and been convinced of it for nearly as long. The spike protein itself is the cause, now officially known, for the majority of adverse effects from the disease. In the lungs, it tends to cause inflammation (pneumonia) due to an over-reaction of the innate immunity of the patient, leading to a life-threatening post-infection reaction. This was one of the first things to be discovered, and it is all due to the spike protein utilizing the ACE2 receptors to invade cells.

In the bloodstream that spike protein sets up similar inflammation responses in various organs, leading to organ failure. That's why, early in the plandemic, the major cause of death from the virus was not the virus, but the accompanying pneumonia. It's also why more severe and widespread inflammations occurred in individuals where the air/blood barrier in the lungs became damaged, and exasperated when ventilators were used which introduced positive pressure gradients in the lungs. At one point, the CDC itself reported that 85% of the patients placed o ventilators died.

But that has never explained all of the reported problems. There seems to be more to the story... hence my below response:


a reply to: MaxxAction

Those with stronger immune systems are going to suffer higher incidence of negative reaction...

Quite probable. Let me try to explain. I'm not going to use fancy medical jargon for two reasons: I don't like it and am not very good at it, and i see no need to use fancy words where a few simpler words will suffice.

First, I want to point out this from one of the links in the OP:

A notable finding was that markedly elevated levels of full-length spike protein (33.9±22.4 pg/mL), unbound by antibodies, were detected in the plasma of individuals with postvaccine myocarditis, whereas no free spike was detected in asymptomatic vaccinated control subjects (unpaired t test; P < 0.0001).

Now, why would the spike proteins still be around, unbound by antibodies, so long after "vaccination"?

Our adaptive immunity is quite amazing. It can produce antibodies for almost any protein or enzyme known to man. As a matter of fact, it is always producing small numbers of random antibodies just to ensure that something unknown doesn't pop in with malicious intent. That amazing flexibility allows us to fight off unknown pathogens, but it also comes with another major problem: our bodies use proteins and enzymes to keep us alive! Without them, we're just fancy dust. So what happens when the body produces an antibody that attacks the proteins we need to live?

Turns out there is a filter mechanism we all have which filters the dangerous antibodies from the blood before they can do any major harm. Autoimmune diseases occur when something goes wrong with this filter... our bodies then begin producing antibodies against itself, and as a result begins to directly attack itself. A strong immunity means, in part, that this filter is operating quite well. If one has a strong antibody response and the filter begins to not operate at full efficiency, the result is autoimmune diseases... which ironically, tend to happen in people who have strong immunity.

We now know why this happens, and a lot of research is being done in this area to cure such things as degenerative back disease, Parkinson's, and even Alzheimer's using this knowledge.

Back to this spike protein... the body should, in theory, create antibodies to respond to the spike protein. Typically, when such antibodies are produced they become persistent... that is to say, a few of these antibodies are floating around at any time. If an infection starts that these antibodies are targeted at, these few antibodies will attack, creating an immune response which produces massive numbers of antibodies and kills off the disease off before it can gain a foothold. That is natural immunity in a nutshell.

That is what is supposed to happen with the "vaccine." The virus uses spike proteins, so the "vaccine" uses the body itself to make some spike proteins. Chances are that one of these random antibodies will target the spike protein, and that produces a biochemical response to create more antibodies. Once the initial "infection" (read: the spike proteins intentionally introduced) is defeated, the body then retains that natural immunity in the form of spike protein antibodies.

But it doesn't appear to be working. The spike proteins are not all being destroyed.

That brings us back to that filter. Antibodies are not completely specific; they are specific to types of proteins. It is entirely possible that the spike protein requires an antibody that is also dangerous to the body. In that case, the body would naturally filter any antibodies out because they are dangerous. So what happens is that the spike protein is produced in response to the "vaccine," a few antibodies target it, and the body responds with more antibody production. But those antibodies are at the same time being filtered out of the blood because they are a type that could present a danger in themselves. So the immune response to the spike proteins is muted by the body, which does two things: it allows the spike proteins to continue circulating around the blood stream willy-nilly, and that filter is overworked because the body is now fighting itself and cannot rid itself of the thing it is fighting over: the spike protein.

Now, if one overworks a muscle, what happens? Why, it gets to a point where it cannot perform any more. Any biological system will operate similarly: overload it and it will cease to perform correctly. That's what is happening to the filter. That means that other antibodies are getting through which should be filtered out, and every protein the body needs to live is now subject to immune system attack. That includes the proteins used by the immune system itself! So we have a process by which our own immunity is at war with itself, and no matter which side wins, we lose.

Quite ingenuous, I must say. If I were to someday become a mad scientist bent on global destruction, I might use something quite similar. This is something Dick Dastardly would go into orgasmic fits over.

So yes, I agree with the quoted sentiment above. It is those with highly developed adaptive immunity who are most at risk, and they are typically the most "healthy" among us. Those with a poorly-developed adaptive immunity would be no more at risk than if they had a very mild case of the virus enter their bloodstream; their innate immunity is not strong enough to create the cascading effect I described above.

TheRedneck

a reply to: Ophiuchus1

I just got me one of those (different brand, Kardia was not compatible with my new phone). Works pretty good! I gave out at Walmart today and was able to get an ECG reading sitting on the cart right there in the self-checkout as it was happening... sure enough, I was throwing PVCs left and right (one part showed three consecutive PVCs in a row).

If I'm lucky I can detect a behavioral pattern that will help me cope until the heart can finish healing.

(Sorry for the OT response; just a bit excited about this new tech.)

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck


The findings of the study are significant as according to the researchers all those vaccinated and developed myocarditis post vaccination are very unlikely to have been affected because of a 'breakthtough' infection or because of autoantibodies or a large number of antibody production.

What is left is the spike protein which seems to be travelling around the body without much challenge by the immune system.

But there could be other factors too. One of them has been pinpointed as a major factor in pathogenesis post vaccination.

All those who claim that myocarditis or POTS or any other conditions post vaccination are caused by SARS-CoV-2 infection are disproven here.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

What is left is the spike protein which seems to be travelling around the body without much challenge by the immune system.

If you'll read my first post, I include a detailed explanation of how the immunity issues can be the product of those spike proteins.

Myocarditis is an inflammation, and that potential mechanism is pretty well understood now. But there are other issues which also seem to be appearing, like immunity issues, and the simple fact that the spike protein is in some cases quite persistent means that the body is not preparing enough antibodies to combat it. Therefore, since we know that the body can produce antibodies, something must be occurring to interfere with the clearing of the spike protein.

There really isn't any mechanisms we know of to remove antibodies, save two: use against the targeted proteins, and filteration by the body. Since the spike protein is not being cleared, that indicates the antibodies are being removed by another mechanism. That indicates a mechanism for the immunity issues as well.

I read an article a few days ago that said the lymph nodes are also being affected, but not via the ACE2 receptors. The lymph nodes are part of the immune system and could be responding to antibodies before they are filtered.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

Had they excluded the actual spike, used other parts of the virus,we could be looking at different outcomes.

Here is one more detail to add, a troubling detail .


The fibrious clots we seen in many news, articles ,videos recent Months ...they are not blood clots as like in traditional description , but syncytia - fused cells.


Harvard Study: Free Spike Protein - Not Bound by Antibodies - Detected in the Blood of Adolescents and Young Adults Who Developed Post-mRNA Vaccine Myocarditis

Free Spike in the blood does not bode well for human health. I think it explains the atypical fibrous clots - hands down

When we we sold the bill of goods on mRNA vaccines, we were told the stream of material injected into people would stay at the injection site. We found out via early Japanese biodistribution studies that the mRNA itself circulated to and could enter basically any and all cells in the body, including our brain.

A new study found that spike protein itself - produced by our cells - is, in fact, circulating freely in the blood of adolescents and young adults who developed myocarditis following mRNA injections

The rubbery clots being found in both arteries and veins make a lot of sense now, given that spike protein can form syncytia - fused cells - and our blood is teeming with all sorts of cells that express ACE2, including vascular cells shed from the lining of blood vessels and platelets. I expect that the clots will be found to be contain the dead, dying and still alive cells connected to each other in strands and fibers - along with fibrin, with insufficient fibronectin. This process could take a long time, and could explain the finding my Mike Adams of the lack of iron in the clots back in October 2022 (See:EPOCH TIMES, Natural News)

There's not blood clots. See explanation here


syncytium

syncytium (sin-SIH-shee-um)

A large cell-like structure formed by the joining together of two or more cells. The plural is syncytia.