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originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
Speaking as an atheist I have to say that this thread has not actually threatened my position in any way whatsoever and has in some respects actually strengthened it. The argument seems to have descended into baseless name-calling.
The argument seems to have descended into baseless name-calling.
originally posted by: neutronflux
originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
Speaking as an atheist I have to say that this thread has not actually threatened my position in any way whatsoever and has in some respects actually strengthened it. The argument seems to have descended into baseless name-calling.
So? Then you don’t believe in good or evil?
originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: AngryCymraeg
Do you believe in good and evil.
Hitler was Stalin were not of the Iron Age.
Pachomius posted on Aug, 9 2020 @ 07:13 AM
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Dear everyone, here is my exposition proving from evidence the existence of God, in concept as the creator cause of man and the universe and everything with a beginning.
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1. You and I and he she it, we all exist, do you accept that?
2. You and I and he she it, we came from our parents, do you accept that?
3. Our parents came from their parents, do you accept that?
4. We all humans make up the human race, can you accept that?
5. The human race had a beginning in the universe, can you accept that?
6. Scientists tell us the universe had a beginning some 13.8 billion years ago, can you accept that?
7. There has been the domain of existence prior to the beginning of the universe, can you accept that?
8. In that domain of existence prior to the beginning of the universe, there has got to be an entity, which created or caused the coming to the beginning of the existence of the universe, can you accept that?
9. Evidence is anything existing which leads man to ascertain the existence of another thing, can you accept?
10. Wherefore, man and the universe and everything with a beginning are the evidence to the existence of an entity, which created or caused them to come to existence, can you accept that?
11. And therefore we can call that entity in concept and in name, as the creator cause of man and the universe and everything with a beginning, can you accept that?
12. If you cannot or will not accept that God exists, are you not then either irrational or dishonestly stubborn against the existence of God?
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Dear everyone, please point out what Number 1 to 12 you have difficulties with, okay?
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originally posted by: Willtell
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Willtell
Don't count on it.
The Op has some positive thoughts and ideas. People change and often evolve to a higher understanding. I believe we all will in time or out of time.
...and the way the world looks
we may be out of time!
of course
Time,
WillTell
originally posted by: pthena
a reply to: AngryCymraeg
The argument seems to have descended into baseless name-calling.
I tried to resist name calling.
Really I did.
But yeah, I did go ahead and name God - Manuela.
If naming is the mother of all things : what is below, beyond, deeper, more essential, than the concept of 'God - Manuela' ?
These two have the same origin but differ in name.
That is the secret, the secret of secrets, the gate to all mysteries.
Wouldn't 'pointing' to it, naming it 'Herself' : still be 'naming' concepts ?
This is a fundamental mistake, due to the fact that ALL experience is in actuality an infinite, constantly changing, non-repeating, indefinable (in any final way), unpatterned field of miraculously appearing Radiantly Present "energies" existing nowhere else than IN experience, perceived by unknowable, miraculously appearing "consciousness". But our use of words implies that objects and actions may actually exist in the way we refer to them, as knowable, definable objectively existing "beings", "things" and "situations".
This is actually NOT the case.
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Is not thinking : conceptualizing ? Naming ? ( Creating a 'thing' ? )
Below, beyond, deeper, more essential, than the concept; than conception and perception; than interpretation ?
Finally in a quiet moment in 1997, recovering from cancer at the time, on a sunny February afternoon, sitting alone in my living room, a tiny opening of realization gently flowed into appearance, the entire universe fractally crystalizing around it in instantaneous virtual ripples, eating all separation, all event, even all Being, into absolute indescribable Radiance, of me/it/everything/nothing laughing/crying/wonder, as it ever was and ever will be...
The accumulation of perspectives that were acquired over the course of all that (unnecessary?) exploration of traditional philosophies enables me to correlate ideas from within those traditions, when useful, in the context of a more direct, pragmatic, non-jargon-laden presentation of the direct discovery of the mystery of what YOU are, that I have named the Yoga of Radiant Presence.
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a tiny opening of realization gently flowed into appearance,
the entire universe fractally crystalizing around it in instantaneous virtual ripples,
eating all separation, all event, even all Being, into absolute indescribable Radiance, of me/it/everything/nothing laughing/crying/wonder, as it ever was and ever will be...