Why Labeling Antifa a Terrorist Org Terrifies Me

a reply to: Gryphon66

We were talking about antifa, which you pointed out were anti fascists

Thats why i said left wing terrorists,

You said you call them peaceful protestors.

I rest my case

You cheer for these terrorists, but try to provide lip service when called on it that its not exactly what you are doing.

everyone can see through it

originally posted by: olaru12
It's good to know that Antifa, terrorist and democrats are all one and the same.

Glad I"m a Libertarian. All hail gov. Johnson.

They're not being too subtle about it ... but you may have missed a step ...

"ANTIFA," the protesters, terrorists, Democrats, leftists, socialists, communists, every -ist they can fathom to make what must be BLASTING cognative dissonance from splitting their brains.

There's never enough enemies around for core authoritarians. And then they start to turn on themselves ...

a reply to: Gryphon66

Man good point.

Geez, if we arent careful, this right wingers who seek more and more enemies may start rioting and burning cities

Then that will REALLY be a problem.

originally posted by: Middleoftheroad
a reply to: Gryphon66

Deflect all you want but Antifa fits the definition exactly. Don’t wanna be labeled as a terrorist groupie then don’t act like the definition of a terrorist group.

How?

ANTIFA is just a loose movement that ss anti fascism(hence the name), anti racism, anti gender and sexuality discrimination, ect..

Their message has been hijacked. Rogue groups that have nothing to do with ANTIFA have committed illegal acts, incited riots, violence and looting in their name as well have gone on social media with the same intent.

You have been unable to provide any examples of actions commited by ANTIFA to warrant the terrorist label.

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: Gryphon66

We were talking about antifa, which you pointed out were anti fascists

Thats why i said left wing terrorists,

You said you call them peaceful protestors.

I rest my case

You cheer for these terrorists, but try to provide lip service when called on it that its not exactly what you are doing.

everyone can see through it

G, all respect, all the readers in this discussion read your posts. We know what you say. We see phrases that you "hit" everytime you think you can.

"ANTIFA" is anti-fascist. Fascists are right-wing, authoritarian, state terrorists.

It seems clear which side your posts sympathize with. I don't have to point it out to anyone.

TL;DR: You desperately want to conflate protesters with terrorists. You praise the efforts of state terrorists to inflict illegal and unConstitutional harm upon citizens of the United States.

If you wanted the real ideology to remain secret, perhaps your posts should have been less obvious???

"ANTIFA" is not centralized. If you want to call them terrorists, and try to smear the young Americans who are out in the streets exercising their right to assemble and speak, go for it.

But own it. Don't try to hide.

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: Gryphon66

Man good point.

Geez, if we arent careful, this right wingers who seek more and more enemies may start rioting and burning cities

Then that will REALLY be a problem.

In my experience, right-wing terrorists like to attack individuals, not groups, occasions like Charlotte are the exceptions.I guess they wanted to show off for their hero in the White House (as many of them said.)

They also like to shoot people in the back when they're at church/temple. I take this to mean that right-wing terrorists are simply more cowardly than other types.

When I see any other groups out in force in multiple cities burning and looting and assaulting fellow citizens I will support the labeling of them as terrorist orgs as well.

Please explain what is incorrect about this.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

So you don't believe Antifa actually exists.

Well that defines your position then.

I mean, how can an administration label something a domestic terrorist group if it doesn't actually exist!

originally posted by: jjkenobi
When I see any other groups out in force in multiple cities burning and looting and assaulting fellow citizens I will support the labeling of them as terrorist orgs as well.

Please explain what is incorrect about this.

Let me ask you a question first.

Do Americans have the right to stand up against an oppressive government that is acting illegally and outside the Constitution?

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: Gryphon66

We were talking about antifa, which you pointed out were anti fascists

Thats why i said left wing terrorists,

You said you call them peaceful protestors.

I rest my case

You cheer for these terrorists, but try to provide lip service when called on it that its not exactly what you are doing.

everyone can see through it

"ANTIFA" is anti-fascist. Fascists are right-wing, authoritarian, state terrorists.

It seems clear which side your posts sympathize with. I don't have to point it out to anyone.

Thank you again, itll be nice to address these posts in the future to show everyone where you stand

Dont agree with antifa, youre a fascist

Got it.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: Gryphon66

Man good point.

Geez, if we arent careful, this right wingers who seek more and more enemies may start rioting and burning cities

Then that will REALLY be a problem.

In my experience, right-wing terrorists like to attack individuals, not groups, occasions like Charlotte are the exceptions.

I guess they wanted to show off for their hero in the White House (as many of them said.)

Unlike you, I dont support any terrorist group, from the right or left.

"ANTIFA" is anti-fascist. Fascists are right-wing, authoritarian, state terrorists.

"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And if you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss also gazes into you."

If that was really what ANTIFA was all about, then perhaps they should look in the mirror. They seem to have lost their way, or maybe they went to the Dolores Umbridge school of fighting evil.

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: Gryphon66

We were talking about antifa, which you pointed out were anti fascists

Thats why i said left wing terrorists,

You said you call them peaceful protestors.

I rest my case

You cheer for these terrorists, but try to provide lip service when called on it that its not exactly what you are doing.

everyone can see through it

"ANTIFA" is anti-fascist. Fascists are right-wing, authoritarian, state terrorists.

It seems clear which side your posts sympathize with. I don't have to point it out to anyone.

Thank you again, itll be nice to address these posts in the future to show everyone where you stand

Dont agree with antifa, youre a fascist

Got it.

And they can beat you.

If they actually exist.

*narrows eyes and looks around*

a reply to: Gryphon66

to the claim i am conflating peaceful protestors with your left wing terrorist buddies, no im not.

Ive highlighted how your left wrong terrorist buddies in antifa have hijacked the protest, and even protestors in many areas are trying to kick them out.

Show me one post of mine saying the protestors are wrong liike the rioters.


You meanwhile do conflate them. You claim any support for law enforcement stopping your antifa buddies rioting proves law enforcement are fascists.

a reply to: DBCowboy

That's the issue. Antifa isn't some central, governing body of Leftists everywhere. At best it's like a loose collection of small groups that bear one single, core, philosophy. Fascism is bad.

So how can one label a non-existent group as a terrorist organization? It would be up to that administration to define Antifa however they see fit. Which is the scary part.

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: Gryphon66

We were talking about antifa, which you pointed out were anti fascists

Thats why i said left wing terrorists,

You said you call them peaceful protestors.

I rest my case

You cheer for these terrorists, but try to provide lip service when called on it that its not exactly what you are doing.

everyone can see through it

"ANTIFA" is anti-fascist. Fascists are right-wing, authoritarian, state terrorists.

It seems clear which side your posts sympathize with. I don't have to point it out to anyone.

Thank you again, itll be nice to address these posts in the future to show everyone where you stand

Dont agree with antifa, youre a fascist

Got it.

Anyone whose opinion I might care about sees these feeble attempts in your posts for what they are. Ham-handed attempts to disract from the facts here.

Trump conjured "ANTIFA" to provide an excuse to attack citzens of the United States illegally. When he ordered Federal troops to open fire on peaceful protesters in Washington, he crossed the line. Even though, as I thought, he has backed of of his absurd boasts about "sending in the military" to do his bidding ... the point is THAT IS THE MAN HE IS.

He's a terrorist. You support him. THAT is also on the record for all those future fans.

(May I say on a personal note, how absurd I think it is that you think that anyone in the future will give a ripping # about what you or I posted here. It'd be hilarious if it weren't so pathetic.)

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: Gryphon66

to the claim i am conflating peaceful protestors with your left wing terrorist buddies, no im not.

Ive highlighted how your left wrong terrorist buddies in antifa have hijacked the protest, and even protestors in many areas are trying to kick them out.

Show me one post of mine saying the protestors are wrong liike the rioters.


You meanwhile do conflate them. You claim any support for law enforcement stopping your antifa buddies rioting proves law enforcement are fascists.

People can read, G.

I'll let them parse through the fallacies, lies and damned lies and decide for themselves.

I do think it's funny that you're always playing to an audience in your mind. Heheh.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: DBCowboy

That's the issue. Antifa isn't some central, governing body of Leftists everywhere. At best it's like a loose collection of small groups that bear one single, core, philosophy. Fascism is bad.

So how can one label a non-existent group as a terrorist organization? It would be up to that administration to define Antifa however they see fit. Which is the scary part.

Maybe there is evidence that Antifa actually exists.

Would you change your mind then?

Or would you become a supporter of Antifa?

Now as to the pint can trump declare antifa an actual terror group; i dont know.

It seems to be on shaky legal ground.

I feel what is more likely is they will be treated like a gang and gone after with rico statutes.

So much like if you are in the bloods or costa nostra, you shouldnt be arrested for just being on the group (and i would not be for trump having the power to do that although I despise those groups)

But you can be brought up on rico charges, and you oopen yourself up to investigation for being involved in a known criminal organization



As to whether or not they are terrorists even if the cant be designated as a terrorist group in a legal sense

Of course

And all of the left wing people here strangely seem to have no problem with the fbi decrying right wig domestic terrorism

Did you see them complaining here

www.abovetopsecret.com...

or here

www.salon.com...

a reply to: Xcalibur254

And yet, they tried to do just that with the TEA Party. Did you protest this vociferously against that? I recall veterans, people passing out copies of the COTUS, people flying Gadsden flags ... all of them were potential markers. Then the IRS got involved ...

Don't act like this is shocking or new.