Trump designates places of worship as essential and orders them to be opened immediately

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

Separation of Church and State works both ways. In fact, it can be correctly argued that the original intent was to keep the state out of the church more than it was intended to keep the church out of the state based on the conditions when the First Amendment was written including the king of England being the dictator over the Church of England.

This is 100% correct. It was designed to prevent a state religion as England had, and was never designed to keep religion out of politics.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

And what makes you think social distancing and public safety guidelines will be strictly adhered to?

Or that masks, gloves and hand sanitizer will be worn and used stringently in the churches and chapels or other houses of worship.

Its a nightmare waiting to happen really.

a reply to: andy06shake

Yes, in a time of severe mental health crisis when we have unprecedented levels of suicide it's the smart move to remove a major support system from people's lives. Genius even.

a reply to: andy06shake

Logical fallacy. What makes you think people will stay 6 feet away at grocery stores? Maybe they won't. We need to close them clearly. Now for my actual answer, I have no interest in the logical fallacy of what if.

originally posted by: andy06shake
And what makes you think social distancing and public safety guidelines will be strictly adhered to?

We all know they wont be.

Or that masks, gloves and hand sanitizer will be worn and used stringently in the churches and chapels or other houses of worship.

Again, we all know they wont.

Its a nightmare waiting to happen really.

Yup, which is why I am glad that my church is found under a sky. But, if the curve has been flattened, it is time to let Darwin collect his rewards.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Still waiting on there alleged suicide numbers Trump was touting in any way shape or form outweighing the COVID 19 death statistics.

There are no unprecedented levels of suicide, just plenty of levels of stupidity aka opening up again to soon.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Im not singing or hugging anyone at the grocery store unless really drunk.

Churches its the done thing in most, well the singing anyhoo.

Nothing should have ever been closed to begin with

The word ‘innocuous’ actually has a definition

What’s the survival rate of the wuflu again?

a reply to: andy06shake

Complete ignorance.

California doctors say they've seen more deaths from suicide than coronavirus since lockdowns


The numbers are unprecedented,” Dr. Michael deBoisblanc of John Muir Medical Center in Walnut Creek, California, told ABC 7 News about the increase of deaths by suicide, adding that he’s seen a “year’s worth of suicides” in the last four weeks alone.

www.washingtonexaminer.com...

Suicides outpacing coronavirus deaths in Tennessee, data says

www.washingtonexaminer.com...

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Whether we believe Covid is as serious as has been stated or not, it is contagious and while I dont wish people to take their own life (I have lost 2 friends that way) suicide is not contagious, so comparing the 2 seems pointless

a reply to: burdman30ott6

Okay...let me ask you this...
Did that bible give the power to the slave master to prevent their Christian slaves from congregating? Did it give such power to husbands when it came to their wives??
And did it not also give such power to the worlds rulers?
The early Christian's didnt build churches or scream for their rights to congregate. Many snuck around and met in small groups in believers homes when they could but that was about it. For some, like the slaves and wives, it was pretty much impossible and for all, unless those who were in authority over them approved were disobedient.. to their earthly rulers and thus to god who made it very clear that they were to obey those rulers.

So, obviously, church attendance is not essential, or salvation was not offered to everyone. Pick your poison!!

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Im not singing or hugging anyone at the grocery store unless really drunk.

Churches its the done thing in most, well the singing anyhoo.

This is the stupidest comment I have seen of the day. So because people hug in church pre-covid, they clearly will continue to do it now. So much logic. People who have successfully adapted to changes in every facet of life will suddenly be unable to do so once they step through church doors. Do you even read your posts before you click the reply button?

originally posted by: UpIsNowDown
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Whether we believe Covid is as serious as has been stated or not, it is contagious and while I dont wish people to take their own life (I have lost 2 friends that way) suicide is not contagious, so comparing the 2 seems pointless

Suicide is actually contagious. Your reply literally has nothing to do with the post though. Lockdowns that destroy the economy creates hopelessness which in turn leads to suicides.

I have 10 years working in mental health. Here is an article to help you understand copycat suicides.
Suicide Deaths Are Often 'Contagious.' This May Help Explain Why
time.com...

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

I think the people who attend such establishments will be pretty much rooted in their ways.

To assume they will somehow wave a magic wand thus severely mitigate the propagation of pathogens is akin to believing in omnipotent anthropomorphized sky gods in the first place.

I read just fine, same as i can understand attending religious places of worship right now is probably not the best of ideas.

God can apparently hear all your prayers without the need of a minister or priest after all.

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originally posted by: tennisdawg

Yep. I think herding all of the hoaxers into the same large room and breathing the same air while singing hymns, and blowing respiratory particles into the air is a great idea. I am not sure why Trump is trying to kill his base population, but oh well. I am exhausted with trying to do my part to stop the spread of the virus, and more exhausted dealing with fools.

It is time to let Darwin have his way with these morons.

Why do you assume they will not social distance/wear masks in church too?

Because trump doesn't wear one and he is their "chosen one" that should be emulated and protected at all cost.

This is a fascile argument.

No it isn't. Anyone that has researched cult behavior, knows how the devotees act toward the object of their devotion.

Do I really need to define the difference between cult and religion?

Not subjectively, but objectively, there is a difference.

Please go ahead, and try. The only difference is quantity of followers.

a reply to: Guiltyguitarist

In Washington State we had a Church try and hold services at an Indian ran Casino, but Inslee shut it down, now the Casino is opening up to gamblers and Inslee is saying that there isn't anything he can do about it. When you have pot shops open but churches closed due to Governor orders I think we can see what's going on. Then of course you have this realization that suicides are offing more people during this pandemic than the virus it self. People are depressed, many of those people seek solace in church activities, so in the end it makes sense to say that religious services are essential.

On the flip side of this, Trump can also being using this simple issue of closed churches and open pot shops as a way to further hurt liberal DNC members running for re-election. Most people, including Democrat voters, are getting tired of being told that they can't do something. When you have a guy telling the country it's time to let people do stuff, and the local officials are saying, "oh hell gno" then those same people will start to rethink who they are going to vote for.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

I think the people who attend such establishments will be pretty much rooted in their ways.

That just shows your bias then. I already posted churches that have reopened are taking numerous precautions. If even after you are proven wrong by sources you refuse to change your mind because you know better then that's a personal problem and I can't do anything about that.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

I don't care where you work COVID is killing people.

People killing themselfs in the same numbers as the virus, well that's just bullcrap and you ken that perfectly well.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Dont think I claimed they were begging to stay closed. I am just saying that not all of them seem to want to fully reopen, and trump has no business trying to command that they do open up!!