POTUS: Inject people with poison!

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Breakthestreak

As I mentioned in the other thread, and Sean Hannity pointed out on Friday, the media is coordinating to the point now where they're also pushing CNN anti-Trump messages to many millions of cellphones, via Sprint, AT&T, and a couple of others.

What must be made certain, is that the electoral college method for choosing our President does not change.

They are planning something sinister, because Joe Biden couldn't even remember his grand-daughter's name last week. The only option available is to CHEAT.

And of course, we see from border debates and abortion debates, Democrats place very little value on human life. The Secret Service should always keep that in mind.

Of course they’re going to cheat

Every single leftist and dEm supporter openly approves of them cheating

We see from the mouths of the left on this very site that they place very little value on human life, and the dEm party and media are a whole lot more disgusting than the hateful lefties on ATS.

Having Biden killed after the election and replacing him with the VP has most DEFINITELY been discussed among the dEm leadership.

Another move that their base will be openly supportive of

originally posted by: RadioRobert

originally posted by: game over man

originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: game over man

"Absolutely amazing for killing Corona" is not a scientific fact. You linked to a CDC page not specific to Covid19 FYI.

Yes it is a Scientific fact, just because you are too lazy to look through the link for it doesn't mean it's not true. There are pages and page and pages saying it.


www.cdc.gov...

For disinfection, most common EPA-registered household disinfectants should be effective.
A list of products that are EPA-approved for use against the virus that causes COVID-19 is available herepdf iconexternal icon. Follow manufacturer’s instructions for all cleaning and disinfection products for (concentration, application method and contact time, etc.).

And here

www.epa.gov...

It shows that Hydrogen Peroxide can be used in Healthcare, Institutional & Residential settings.
For Human Coronavirus
For SARS

Hydrogen peroxide; Ammonium carbonate; Ammonium bicarbonate Hitman Spray Kimberly-Clark Global Sales LLC Human coronavirus 5 RTU HN Institutional; Residential No
Hydrogen peroxide; Ammonium carbonate; Ammonium bicarbonate Victor Spray Kimberly-Clark Global Sales LLC Human coronavirus 5 Pressurized liquid HN Healthcare; Institutional; Residential No
Hydrogen peroxide; Ammonium carbonate; Ammonium bicarbonate Hitman Wipe Kimberly-Clark Global Sales LLC Human coronavirus 6 Wipe HN Institutional; Residential No

& for a whole host of other things.

It's not on there at all, liar. What is your problem? Why are you wasting time posting lies?

Allow me


First link...

Hydrogen peroxide is typically sold in concentrations of about 3%. It can be used as is, or diluted to 0.5% concentration for effective use against coronaviruses on surfaces. It should be left on surfaces for one minute before wiping.

       

Any reason other than being obsessed with Trump you didn't mention bleach or alcohol first? Anyways this is about Trump asking his medical advisors to test surface disinfectants as injections into people. Totally crazy...now ATSers are applying Dr. Trump's logic to use hydrogen peroxide internally to kill coronavirus, using the logic it kills the virus on surfaces and you use it for mouth wash and healing wounds so why not drink it to kill the virus, even though it there is a strong warning to not use hydrogen peroxide internally.

Thanks for letting me go down the rabbit hole:

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Amid the COVID-19 pandemic, H2O2 may help fight the coronavirus, according to Dr. Thomas Levy. He said people can utilize hydrogen peroxide using its aerosolized form in a standard nebulizer. 

Levy suggested using at least a 3 percent food grade hydrogen peroxide. It is important to know that some products have higher concentrations and people should inhale only 3 percent. 

CDC PDF Link

Chronic respiratory disease: Hydrogen peroxide, 90 percent, causes respiratory irritation in animals. In persons with impaired pulmonary function, especially those with obstructive airway diseases, the breathing of hydrogen peroxide, 90 percent, might cause exacerba- tion of symptoms due to its irritant properties.

Ingestion

If ingested, solutions of hydrogen peroxide up to concentrations of 9% are generally nontoxic; however, even a 3% solution is mildly irritating to mucosal tissue and may cause vomiting and diarrhea. Ingestion of industrial-strength solutions (¡Ã10%) causes systemic toxicity and has been associated with fatalities.

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Health Effects

Hydrogen peroxide is corrosive to skin, eyes, and mucous membranes at high concentrations (>10%); lower concentrations may cause irritation.

Other effects occur from inhalation or ingestion and may include gas embolism, gastric irritation, gastric distension and emesis, an accumulation of fluid in the lungs, unconsciousness, and respiratory arrest.

Symptoms become more severe as the concentration of hydrogen peroxide increases.

Acute Exposure

The systemic effects of hydrogen peroxide result from its interaction with catalase in the tissues with the liberation of oxygen and water as it decomposes. One milliliter of 3% hydrogen peroxide liberates 10 mL of oxygen. When the amount of oxygen evolved exceeds the maximum blood solubility, venous embolism occurs. Intravascular oxygen embolism may also occur. Ingestion of dilute solutions (3-10%) produces mild gastrointestinal irritation, gastric distension and emesis, and on rare occasions, gastrointestinal erosions or embolism. Ingestion of 10-20% solutions produces similar symptoms, but exposed tissues may also be burned. Ingestion of 20-40% produces the symptoms described for lower concentrations, but may also induce rapid loss of consciousness followed by respiratory arrest.

Children do not always respond to chemicals in the same way that adults do. Different protocols for managing their care may be needed.

Respiratory

Vapors, mists, or aerosols of hydrogen peroxide can cause upper airway irritation, inflammation of the nose, hoarseness, shortness of breath, and a sensation of burning or tightness in the chest. Exposure to high concentrations can result in severe mucosal congestion of the trachea and bronchi and delayed accumulation of fluid in the lungs.

Children may be more vulnerable to corrosive agents than adults because of the relatively smaller diameter of their airways.

Children may be more vulnerable because of relatively increased minute ventilation per kg and failure to evacuate an area promptly when exposed.

CNS

Inhalation or ingestion of high concentrations of hydrogen peroxide may result in seizures, cerebral infarction, or cerebral embolism. The ensuing damage to the CNS may cause permanent neurological deficits or death.

Dermal

Prolonged exposure to concentrated vapor or to dilute solutions can cause irritation and temporary bleaching of skin and hair. Contact with concentrated solutions can cause severe skin burns with blisters.

Because of their relatively larger surface area:body weight ratio, children are more vulnerable to toxicants affecting the skin.

Ocular

Exposure to concentrated vapor, mist, or aerosol can cause stinging pain and tearing. Solutions that are 5% or greater can cause injury to the eye surface if splashed in the eye (sometimes with delayed effects).

Gastrointestinal

Ingestion of household solutions (3%) usually causes mild mucosal irritation and vomiting. Gastric distention due to liberation of oxygen in the stomach may occur, but hollow-organ rupture is uncommon when dilute solutions are ingested.

Ingestion of concentrated solutions (¡Ã10%) can cause extreme irritation, inflammation, and burns of the alimentary tract can occur, and hollow-organ distention and rupture is a significant danger. Hydrogen peroxide enemas have caused colonic rupture, intestinal gangrene with gas bubbles, and acute ulcerative colitis.

Potential Sequelae

Survivors of severe inhalation injury may sustain permanent lung damage. Severe eye exposures may result in ulceration of the eye and blindness. Permanent neurological deficits have also been reported.

Chronic Exposure

Because hydrogen peroxide is rapidly decomposed in the body, it is unlikely to cause chronic toxicity. However, repeated exposures to hydrogen peroxide vapor may cause chronic irritation of the respiratory tract and partial or complete lung collapse. Repeated contact with vapor or solution may result in bleaching of skin and hair.

Chronic exposure may be more serious for children because of their potential longer latency period.

Carcinogenicity

The International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) has determined that hydrogen peroxide is not classifiable as to its carcinogenicity to humans.

Link

It is interesting to note that Thomas E Levy, who trained as a medical doctor in the 70’s and then qualified as a lawyer in the mid 90’s, states on his CV, which is available to download on his website, that he is currently an Associate Professor at Capital University of Integrative Medicine (CUIM). Turns out that CUIM was founded by a convicted fraudster and closed its operations over five years ago. Furthermore, it was what is known in the industry as a ‘diploma mill’, offering degrees that were not recognised by official educational accrediting bodies. Despite ‘15 years of research’ Dr Levy has not published a single peer-reviewed article on the link between vitamin C and disease.

Link

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The Great Vitamin C Hoax

a reply to: game over man

Any reason other than being obsessed with Trump you didn't mention bleach or alcohol first?

What would mentioning bleach or alcohol have to do with you saying hydrogen peroxide doesn't kill coronaviruses or that it wasn't on the CDC approval list?

What does hydrogen peroxide have to do with Trump? Did you inject it into your veins at his command or something? Where did anyone encourage you to huff, inject, or drink hydrogen peroxide?

Are you just spoiling for an argument so badly, that you want to tilt at windmills?

originally posted by: visitedbythem
I thought Trump was referring to running a mini UV light down the intubation, not hitting you from the outside. Also use of a mist inhaled, not stuck in you via needle.

When I heard early on that UV light kills the virus the first thing that popped into my head was stick a scope into the lungs and give it a quick shot of UV light to see if it helps. If someone's intubated, why not try it? With their or the family's permission of course. I don't think you're off-base here.

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
Hydrogen peroxide as an internal disinfectant ?????

Searched for this and I quickly found this from three years ago

A swig of hydrogen peroxide — promoted by alternative-health devotees — can kill you. Hundreds of people have become severely ill and at least five have died after consuming high-concentration hydrogen peroxide that some people take as an additive to their diets, according to a new study

And immediately after that, also from three years ago

The 3 percent concentration can cause a whitening or injury of any of your digestive lining, bloating, vomiting, and slight erosion. One ounce or 30ml of the 35 percent can release 3.5 liters of oxygen as a gas. If that happens in a stomach, it can stretch and rupture it

www.winonadailynews.com... 439a.html

To be fair, how do you think we figured out which berries and mushrooms were poisonous? Hm?

a reply to: game over man

Do you still Trust the CDC anymore.
They botched it. This virus was like their Súper bowl, they had access to the best minds in science and medicine to come up with a treatment or therapy that could help patients surfing from the virus. Yet the great Protectors of our health come up with Ventilators and masks.. 80%of Covid patients on ventilators died. Do you think that was and effective use of the resources that were available to the CDC and WHO directors.

If The CDC, early on would have said treatments and therapy research is essential then we would have probably have had one by now.

Don’t say the treatments were hypothetical... because the vaccine is hypothetical too. Even if they found a treatment that helped a small percentage of those suffering, wouldn’t that be worth it to save those few lives.

But instead the CDC wants to hold out for miracle vaccine. And let’s people die on ventilators.
Why??? Vaccines = money
Treatments = people actually thinking for themselves and using natural and readily available solutions that make money for no big industry.

I wonder how much can we trust the info they put out.
They can exaggerate the dangers and toxicity info about Hydrogen peroxide or Vitamin C
But can diminish the the dangers and toxicity info about Aluminum and Formaldehyde.

So.. I’m not trusting the CDC these days

a reply to: game over man

Any reason other than being obsessed with Trump you didn't mention bleach or alcohol first? Anyways this is about Trump asking his medical advisors to test surface disinfectants as injections into people. Totally crazy...now ATSers are applying Dr. Trump's logic to use hydrogen peroxide internally to kill coronavirus, using the logic it kills the virus on surfaces and you use it for mouth wash and healing wounds so why not drink it to kill the virus, even though it there is a strong warning to not use hydrogen peroxide internally.

You just don't want to admit you were wrong.
It appears the only one bring up drinking it is you.

I'm not a Trump fan, but ATS posts are organic, that's how conversations go.

Bleach is stupid but what if there is something simple like peroxide to get the virus before it makes you sick, you know like using peroxide as a mouthwash & gargle.

a reply to: Observationalist

So.. I’m not trusting the CDC these days

Neither do I...They will parrot back anything trump wants them to say or risk getting fired. That's the way it works in DC now. But it's good to see Fox beginning to call trump on his BS. I guess they see his plummeting poll numbers as bad for business and losing the high dollar advertisers.

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: network dude

You sure are a lucky one dude. Having such an easily grasped trope to rely upon for your understanding of things. It must be nice to have that TDS cliche within your reach.

Hey, I got one that is just as simple. I call it BOB for Trump supporters who will go to any and all extremes to justify all that he does. Bend Over Backwards.

Or Bend Over, for short.

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: network dude

You sure are a lucky one dude. Having such an easily grasped trope to rely upon for your understanding of things. It must be nice to have that TDS cliche within your reach.

Hey, I got one that is just as simple. I call it BOB for Trump supporters who will go to any and all extremes to justify all that he does. Bend Over Backwards.

Or Bend Over, for short.

Ive got just the guy to help with that:

Disinfection of (COVID-19) Respiratory Tract by Controlled Ethanol Vapor Inhalation - Trump was right again! Read it and weep Lysol-tards! Alcohol IS a disinfectant that can be 'injected' into the lungs of a CV19 victim by inhalation to kill the virus! trump reveal Possibility of Disinfection of SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) in Human Respiratory Tract by Controlled Ethanol Vapor Inhalation Tsumoru Shintake Professor in Physics at OIST Graduate University Okinawa Institute of Science and Technology Graduate University 1919-1 Tancha, Onna-son, Kunigami-gun, Okinawa, Japan 904-0495 Viruses such as SARS-CoV-2 and Influenza are lipophilic, enveloped viruses, and are relatively easy to inactivate by exposure to alcohols. The envelope mainly consists of the lipid bilayer, taken from the host cells at assembly/budding stage of the viral life cycle. Therefore the constitution of the lipid bilayer should be common in all SARS, MERS and influenza viruses, even after mutations, and thus these closely-related viruses will be disinfected by exposure to ethanol with the same concentration. Existing experimental data indicate that an ethanol concentration of 30~40 v/v% is sufficient to inactivate Influenza-A viruses in solution[1,2,3]. The author suggests that it may be possible to use alcoholic beverages of 16~20 v/v% concentration for this disinfection process, such as Whisky (1:1 hot water dilution) or Japanese Sake, because they are readily available and safe (non-toxic). By inhaling the alcohol vapor at 50~60°C (122~140°F) through the nose for one or two minutes, it will condense on surfaces inside the respiratory tract; mainly in the nasal cavity. The alcohol concentration will be intensified to ~36 v/v% by this process, which is enough to disinfect the corona virus on the mucous membrane. In this situation, our respiratory tract essentially works as an alcohol distillation apparatus (a condenser). This method also provides more moisture into respiratory tract, and helps to clean the inside of the nasal cavity by stimulating blowing of the nose, and also makes the mucous escalator work actively so that the self-clearing mechanism in the trachea will remove viruses faster. An alternative prompt method is also discussed. We use 40 v/v% whisky or similar alcohol, dripping on a gauze, inhale the vapor slowly at room temperature. This method works well for the front part of the nasal cavity. This is suitable for clinical workers, because they may need to use prompt preventative measures at any time... FULL ARTICLE: [link to arxiv.org (secure)]

a reply to: Stormdancer777


You should have included this notice as well....

I'm calling cheeze on this guy..... Tsumoru Shintake Professor in Physics

But what the hell, as much Jose Cuervo as I drink, I'm probably inhaling more than most people drink. I should be safe according to Prof Tsumoru.

I wonder how 420 vapor affects the batflu.

Important: e-prints posted on arXiv are not peer-reviewed by arXiv; they should not be relied upon without context to guide clinical practice or health-related behavior and should not be reported in news media as established information without consulting multiple experts in the field.

edit on 25-4-2020 by olaru12 because: syntax repair

a reply to: olaru12

Yet Trump was the only one to suggest looking into Chloroquine as a treatment. Then some stupid story about a couple drinking aquarium water shows up. Do you really buy that?
If anyone other than trump suggesting this we would have a different story.

Sadly they are just now doing clinical trials on on Chloroquine and other treatments but only after the peak of deaths.

No one wants trump to be right. So they will over emphasize when he is wrong and even make up stuff like the aquarium drinking couple and now these guys who injected themselves with disinfectant. They want trump to look dangerous

Yet how many people died in The CDCs recommendation of ventilators. No one questions their choices.

CDC with all their resource and the command of the president couldn’t come up with a solution. They wanted trump to get ventilators, and masks. Trump delivered. If the CDC said treatment to trial ASAP then trump would most likely have delivered too.

This has turned into a chess match that is so unnecessary. The left are still playing their game. Holding the people hostage. Either lockdown and loose your economy or we will allow even more people to die.

The CDC basically said we aren’t going to do anything Mr. Trump. we could help the people but we don’t want to. So your only options are to loose your economy and thus any chance of a reelection. Oh and if you decide to do the right thing for the people and help them, We have plans to make you look like a reckless fool. We will take your solution and ensure more deaths due to your actions.

Starting to feel like a soft coup.

a reply to: Observationalist

Yet Trump was the only one to suggest looking into Chloroquine as a treatment. Then some stupid story about a couple drinking aquarium water shows up. Do you really buy that?
If anyone other than trump suggesting this we would have a different story.

Sadly they are just now doing clinical trials on on Chloroquine and other treatments but only after the peak of deaths.

Lots wrong with the above statement. Including the fact that multiple deaths have occurred in medical studies with Chlorquine. Recently.

Yet how many people died in The CDCs recommendation of ventilators. No one questions their choices.

CDC with all their resource and the command of the president couldn’t come up with a solution. They wanted trump to get ventilators, and masks. Trump delivered. If the CDC said treatment to trial ASAP then trump would most likely have delivered too.

Hoping to get some clarification if possible.

This has turned into a chess match that is so unnecessary. The left are still playing their game. Holding the people hostage. Either lockdown and loose your economy or we will allow even more people to die.

How do you figure? Reps control the federal govt. They are the ones currently stealing everything from you.

And I think there are more republican governors than democrat. Again, the ones calling the shots in each individual state.

The CDC basically said we aren’t going to do anything Mr. Trump. we could help the people but we don’t want to. So your only options are to loose your economy and thus any chance of a reelection. Oh and if you decide to do the right thing for the people and help them, We have plans to make you look like a reckless fool. We will take your solution and ensure more deaths due to your actions.

Sure, the "CDC" is running anything lol.

Oh no, trump has pulled out of his Daily batflu press conferences. I wonder why?

a reply to: ColoradoJens

Lots wrong with the above statement. Including the fact that multiple deaths have occurred in medical studies with Chlorquine. Recently

It helped people too, So did other treatments. Plus Chloroquine was proven effective treatment for SARS Covid in a 2005 study. Why didn’t we pursue treatment options earlier, if we had the 2005 study as a head start. Chloroquine may not work for everyone but if they put the same effort they did for ventilators and masks We could have found out exactly who it is good for and perhaps other effective treatments or therapies. This is a crisis like none other, with human lives and at stake, every life is important, why not fight for the best possible solutions for our people. Were ventilators and mask the best the CDC got?

If trump could get ventilators and mask they asked for the in sure he could have made possible the facilities, tools and supplies that the scientists and doctors needed to rank up testing so we could get a treatment fast.

Ventilators, Masks, really is all you got CDC?

a reply to: RadioRobert

I loved the Biden response “I can’t believe I have to say this, but please don’t drink bleach,” he tweeted.

take it from a guy that injects Botulinum toxin.. just look prior to 2020