I Trust Fauci

originally posted by: tanstaafl
How so what? He knows full well all of the studies proving the efficacy (and 100% safety) of high dose vitamin C. It is in the literature, and if he doesn't know, then he is a moron - and he is not a moron.

Lets say all you need is vitamin C, why does it take Fauci to tell the world that is all that is needed? Wouldn't the world know this already as 100% common knowledge and use it with or without Fauci ?

"Take vitamin C. It can enhance your body’s defense against microbes. I take 1,000 milligrams a day. Many people also do not get enough vitamin D, which affects a lot of body functions, so that would be helpful, too."

If he knew that much back then, then he knows. Which makes him guilty of mass murder and crimes against humanity.

"Can enhance" is a long way from "will kill it" I'm not trying to say vitamin C doesn't help, BUT it is not a cure all by any means unless you know something everyone else doesn't, and kind of extreme to suggest "guilty of mass murder and crimes against humanity".

originally posted by: Xtrozero
Lets say all you need is vitamin C, why does it take Fauci to tell the world that is all that is needed? Wouldn't the world know this already as 100% common knowledge and use it with or without Fauci ?

Kind of totally irrelevant to the point, but thanks for playing...

That said - he is the point man (or was, looks like Trump may be on to him and Birx now) - kind of his job to tell people what to be doing to help themselves stay healthy - dontcha think?

"Can enhance" is a long way from "will kill it" I'm not trying to say vitamin C doesn't help, BUT it is not a cure all by any means unless you know something everyone else doesn't,

I've never said it is a cure all - but it can save peoples lives in seriously critical situations.

and kind of extreme to suggest "guilty of mass murder and crimes against humanity".

He is... because it can save people who are dying from the cytokine storm. And he knows it.

originally posted by: Observationalist
a reply to: carewemust
How long will he get away with this.
No media is gonna want to touch this one.

Need to start a movement.

Being done as we speak... Dr. Shiva Ayyudari started the 'Fire Fauci' campaign a month or more ago.

If you aren't familiar with Dr. Shiva, get familiar:

originally posted by: sligtlyskeptical
But, but, but...most non hospitalized patients have recovered without vitamin C.

But, but, but... it can also keep those who are headed toward serious/critical conditions from getting there, and not only keep them out of the hospital, but keep then from getting really sick.

But, but, but... do you even care?

originally posted by: rickymouse
originally posted by: tanstaafl
"Sorry, but there are far better - and safer - ways of supplementing with Zinc."

Yes there are. But if you are not aware you are deficient, you will think you are alright, after all, your grandparents and parents did not take supplements and they were healthy. There are a lot of people who are low in zinc. I never realized that I would be low, I never was low.

Exactly - but irrelevant to my point that getting Zinc from tin cans is a ludicrous proposition, when it is easily supplemented.

The rest of your post is excellent, and a very good reason why, when someone is re-taking responsibility for their health, one of the first things they should do is get a full/complete workup/profile of all of their critical systems - minerals/fats/enzymes etc... and start working on normalization.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

I've never said it is a cure all - but it can save peoples lives in seriously critical situations.

He is... because it can save people who are dying from the cytokine storm. And he knows it.

You missed my point in IF this is true then the whole world would know it already... France would be pumping people with 6.000 mg per day instead of using Hydroxychloroquine or Chloroquine to prevent the cytokine storm condition.

Look, I'm not some Fauci fanboy, didn't even know the guy existed until a few weeks ago, but your vitamin C reason as to why he is evil seems a little logically off to me.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
You missed my point in IF this is true then the whole world would know it already.

This is an absurdly false notion, if you really think about it - similar to how 'Medical Doctors' continued to murder women for years when Dr. Semmelweis was trying to convince them to wash their hands in between doing autopsies on dead bodies and performing child births.

I mean - to use your logic - if Semmelweis' notion was true, then everyone would have known about it... right?

You have to be willing to look, and at least pretend your blinders aren't there while doing so. I have posted the links already, many many times. The NIH itself acknowledges it. It has been used for decades.

Look, I'm not some Fauci fanboy, didn't even know the guy existed until a few weeks ago, but your vitamin C reason as to why he is evil seems a little logically off to me.

It isn't just about vitamin C. It is about his and the rest of the medical mafia's suppression of all kinds of natural therapies - like high dose IV Vitamin C, high dose Vit D3, Zinc/Selenium/Magnesium supplementation, UV light therapy (been a few posts referencing the Cedar Sinai studies on its use), etc etc ad nauseum.

Ok, on the off chance you really haven't seen the links posted before, and might be willing to take an honest look, here is a re-post of something I posted some time ago.

If you are honest, you'll take a look. Note what I bolded/underlined this time. It has to do with dosage, and right there the NIH itself is stating that 3,000 to 4,000mg (3-4 GRAMS) per day is considered low dose when it comes to its therapeutic value.

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The NIH itself has acknowledged that Vitamin C has serious antiviral and antibacterial properties.

Two Excerpts from the linked study...

From the Abstract:
"Two controlled trials found a statistically significant dose–response,
for the duration of common cold symptoms, with up to 6–8 g/day of
vitamin C. Thus, the negative findings of some therapeutic common cold
studies might be explained by the low doses of 3–4 g/day of vitamin C.
Three controlled trials found that vitamin C prevented pneumonia. Two
controlled trials found a treatment benefit of vitamin C for pneumonia
patients. One controlled trial reported treatment benefits for tetanus
patients. The effects of vitamin C against infections should be
investigated further."

And from the Conclusions (scroll way down):

"From a large series of animal studies we may conclude that vitamin C
plays a role in preventing, shortening, and alleviating diverse
infections. It seems evident that vitamin C has similar effects in
humans. Controlled studies have shown that vitamin C shortens and
alleviates the common cold and prevents colds under specific conditions
and in restricted population subgroups. Five controlled trials found
significant effects of vitamin C against pneumonia. There is some
evidence that vitamin C may also have effects on other infections, but
there is a paucity of such data. The practical importance and optimally
efficacious doses of vitamin C for preventing and treating infections
are unknown. Vitamin C is safe and costs only pennies per gram, and
therefore even modest effects may be worth exploiting."

Fyi: these studies - even the ones showing great promise - were all
based on oral ingestion, and all use comparatively low doses. Studies
that showed no or low activity used extremely low doses (half a gram and
less).

High dose IV Vitamin C works at an entirely different level, and that is
what I'd insist on if I or a loved one was in a bad way.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
You missed my point in IF this is true then the whole world would know it already...

And here is a story from March where some NY hospitals are treating patients with Vitamin C.

From the fine article:

"Dr. Andrew G. Weber, a pulmonologist and critical-care specialist affiliated with two Northwell Health facilities on Long Island, said his intensive-care patients with the coronavirus immediately receive 1,500 milligrams of intravenous vitamin C.

Identical amounts of the powerful antioxidant are then readministered three or four times a day, he said."

Just to interject - this is only 6,000 to 7,500 mg per day of IV C.

Standard protocols for IV administered Vitamin C that produce optimal results start at 25,000mg per day, and go all the way up to 100,000+mg per day, the dosage depending on the seriousness of the condition... meaning, before putting anyone on a ventilator and sentencing them to death, they should first be given 100,000mg per day of IV C.

To continue from the article:

"Each dose is more than 16 times the National Institutes of Health’s daily recommended dietary allowance of vitamin C, which is just 90 milligrams for adult men and 75 milligrams for adult women.

The regimen is based on experimental treatments administered to people with the coronavirus in Shanghai, China, Weber said.

“The patients who received vitamin C did significantly better than those who did not get vitamin C,” Dr. Weber said.
significantly better - and that is at a very low (for therapeutic purposes) dose.

So...... are you honest? Can you say MURDER?

originally posted by: tanstaafl

Fyi: these studies - even the ones showing great promise - were all
based on oral ingestion, and all use comparatively low doses. Studies
that showed no or low activity used extremely low doses (half a gram and
less).

High dose IV Vitamin C works at an entirely different level, and that is
what I'd insist on if I or a loved one was in a bad way.

I been taking vitamin C and I have read about even up to 30,000 mg to help fight cancer, but the attitude that you have in suggesting the whole world knows all this as fact is wrong, and I'm just saying the world doesn't, otherwise everyone would be doing it as a cure all and not just cure enhancing.

I'm not fighting you on this... If the evil medical people are suppressing natural therapies for big profit...that is a topic well outside of this OP.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

“The patients who received vitamin C did significantly better than those who did not get vitamin C,” Dr. Weber said.
significantly better - and that is at a very low (for therapeutic purposes) dose.

So...... are you honest? Can you say MURDER?

This is the same level of Anecdotal correlations as we see with people being given Hydroxychloroquine, and this is seen as the weakest form of scientific evidence. Remember that correlations do not also mean causation, and with anecdotal evidence there is no way to know if there has been any confounding variables involved.

I would think that Fauci sees any positive results from vitamin C as the same as positive result from Hydroxychloroquine as in both cases he does not want to suggest they are good or bad since there is nothing past Anecdotal evidence to say otherwise.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: rickymouse
originally posted by: tanstaafl
"Sorry, but there are far better - and safer - ways of supplementing with Zinc."

Yes there are. But if you are not aware you are deficient, you will think you are alright, after all, your grandparents and parents did not take supplements and they were healthy. There are a lot of people who are low in zinc. I never realized that I would be low, I never was low.

Exactly - but irrelevant to my point that getting Zinc from tin cans is a ludicrous proposition, when it is easily supplemented.

The rest of your post is excellent, and a very good reason why, when someone is re-taking responsibility for their health, one of the first things they should do is get a full/complete workup/profile of all of their critical systems - minerals/fats/enzymes etc... and start working on normalization.

That would be probably about six hundred bucks out of pocket because many tests are not covered by the insurance.. And it only gives Most of the minerals are water soluable, you need to consume them every day or they get peed out. They are not like oil based chemicals, where you cqn actually poison yourself because they build up in the body, they are excreted within days. Zinc is one of those, not much zinc gets stored in the bones either, but a tad bit does. One thing about zinc, if you get too much in food, it tastes like metal, It turns you off to the food. Same with many other metals, they all have their distinct taste. If you are deficient on zinc, you cannot taste well and because you need zinc to fight diseases, when you get the flu or a cold, nothing tastes good at all, many viruses have that property and I just stated the reason sense of taste is effected.....depending if the multiple sources I got that information from are correct, but it does seem like a rational explanation of things.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
I been taking vitamin C and I have read about even up to 30,000 mg to help fight cancer, but the attitude that you have in suggesting the whole world knows all this as fact is wrong,

Ummm...

I have never, ever made such a claim.

Unless you are suggesting that Fauci and Birx constitute 'the whole world'.

They know. They would have to be incompetent to not know. They are not incompetent.

and I'm just saying the world doesn't, otherwise everyone would be doing it as a cure all and not just cure enhancing.

Again - it is not a cure all. But it does stop the cytokine storm, and works wonders on many serious/critical illnesses, including those involving the lungs.

I'm not fighting you on this... If the evil medical people are suppressing natural therapies for big profit...that is a topic well outside of this OP.

It is a topic well outside any single thread or forum. It needs to be shouted from the rooftops from every thread, every forum, until their evil asses are brought to justice.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

They know. They would have to be incompetent to not know. They are not incompetent.

Again - it is not a cure all. But it does stop the cytokine storm, and works wonders on many serious/critical illnesses, including those involving the lungs.

How do they know it stops cytokine storm? Why are not hospitals around the world giving 30,000 mg to all their cytokine storm patients no matter what Fauci and Birx say or don't say? What is Fauci and Birx actually causing to happen by not tooting the powers of vitamin C?

originally posted by: rickymouse
originally posted by: tanstaafl
"The rest of your post is excellent, and a very good reason why, when someone is re-taking responsibility for their health, one of the first things they should do is get a full/complete workup/profile of all of their critical systems - minerals/fats/enzymes etc... and start working on normalization."

That would be probably about six hundred bucks out of pocket because many tests are not covered by the insurance..

Yes... and? What is true, vital health, worth? If it isn't worth $600 - or $1,200, or $5,000 - then it isn't worth much.

And it only gives Most of the minerals are water soluable, you need to consume them every day or they get peed out.

The profiles are just the beginning. You also need to do lots of research on your symptoms - pick the ones most problematic, and start working on them, and you'll find that resolving one, will usually resolve others. Before you know it, you'll be in an entirely different place.

I'm still on the path. I'll probably never 'get there', but it is the process that is important.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
This is the same level of Anecdotal correlations as we see with people being given Hydroxychloroquine,

And you obviously totally ignored the NIH evidence/studies I linked to.

Ok, so your mind is closed, thanks for playing...

Hopefully someone else's mind was opened a little during the transaction...

originally posted by: Xtrozero
How do they know it stops cytokine storm? Why are not hospitals around the world giving 30,000 mg to all their cytokine storm patients no matter what Fauci and Birx say or don't say?

Because the medical mafia - including Fauci and Birx - hasn't blessed such treatments.

What is Fauci and Birx actually causing to happen by not tooting the powers of vitamin C?

The deaths of millions of people who could have otherwise been saved.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: rickymouse
originally posted by: tanstaafl
"The rest of your post is excellent, and a very good reason why, when someone is re-taking responsibility for their health, one of the first things they should do is get a full/complete workup/profile of all of their critical systems - minerals/fats/enzymes etc... and start working on normalization."

That would be probably about six hundred bucks out of pocket because many tests are not covered by the insurance..

Yes... and? What is true, vital health, worth? If it isn't worth $600 - or $1,200, or $5,000 - then it isn't worth much.

And it only gives Most of the minerals are water soluable, you need to consume them every day or they get peed out.

The profiles are just the beginning. You also need to do lots of research on your symptoms - pick the ones most problematic, and start working on them, and you'll find that resolving one, will usually resolve others. Before you know it, you'll be in an entirely different place.

I'm still on the path. I'll probably never 'get there', but it is the process that is important.

My daughter had one of those tests where they test for everything, it was two thousand bucks...cash, no insurance covers any of that. I looked it over and discussed it with her, she thought that the test was great, I told her it was a snapshot of the last week of her life. If she ate consistently the same, it would be useful.

but it is just a shapshot. I examined it and told her what she needed to supplement....she said I was wrong. When the doctor got the recommendations back and gave her the list of what she needs, it was almost identical to what I had said, I had tested on myself and was working with my other daughter and we both tested and found certain things which helped the most....those were my recomendations which she ignored since they did not come from the doctor YET. But they did. I did not recommend vitamin D because I and my brother both experienced bad problems with vitamin D supplementation, she shares the same genetics for spondylitis. But the doctors do not know that, they have no family history and my youngest daughter ignores me when I talk about that kind of stuff, she thinks because she is going to take after her mother....but my wife has some yellows in her Spondylitis genetics which match with my reds, giving my daughter a higher risk of alkylosing spondylitis like my brother and I have.

I looked at the blood test, compared it to her problems she was experiencing and knew just like the professionals what she needed based on her condition and snapshot of her bloodwork.

Now thanks to Fauci, Los Angels county will be lockdown another 3 months and the State College cancelled their fall semester in person classes, and fall Athletics.

LA County Stay-At-Home Order Extended Until August As Coronavirus US Deaths Hit 83,377

California cancels fall university classes as Fauci warns of reopening too soon

How much more longer will this guy be allowed to have this type of power.

Just fyi... a lot of C is manufactured in China.

Within my "stack" I take every day, I take Liposomal C and glutathione mix. The liposomal c comes from Scotland and the glutathione comes from Japan.. from sunflowers.. not the cheap soy. Why Liposomal C and why so picky?? Bioavailability. I am able to assimilate more if not ALL when taken like this. If not.. then youre likely peeing out most of your supplement and wasting money.. not to mention youre not helping yourself any.

I dont play soccer or box anymore.. obvious reasons... but I maintain my stack and modified my routine to carry on even though the gyms are closed.

I, for one, do NOT trust Fauci.

More reasons I have come to love and trust Mr. Fauci.
Must watch.


Vaccine said 111 times during the senate hearing with Fauci and Friends
Treatment only 30.

It’s getting ridiculous folks, Conflict of interest. It’s all about the money.