Very Good News

originally posted by: Serdgiam
a reply to: tanstaafl

Yet another "WTF" thing, eh?

Im not a doctor, but Dr. Zelenko at least thought it to be important. Seems to be why we test these things. And why we talk about them.

I find the focus on the couple that drank the aquarium stuff, which is a different compound than hydroxy chloroquine in the first place, to be utterly bizarre too.

What Im seeing is that many dont seem to want any possible good news. Not necessarily consciously, but all the same..

Given that there isnt much question as to what Dr. Zelenko thought was important, exploring the Zinc part of this combo would be prudent, eh?

And yes, as many say, you shouldnt do any of this without professional guidance and monitoring. Just like you shouldnt sit in a puddle of toxic waste because you heard radiation can treat cancer. Seems obvious, but here we are.

When we all find out in the end this is a silent war being played out. Battle for human consciousness. One side wants to push fear, panic, anger - while the other side is pushing hope, healing, and cure. One side doesn't want humanity to heal, "we (humanity) are the disease on the planet". I can't wait until the end where we all find out who the real "invisible enemy" is in this "silent war" we have been fighting for so long.

Humanity creates the reality we live in, both on an individual level and as a whole. Our consciousness is literally being steered (sheep) by two sides on a world level. One side wants humanity to be free, while the other wants humanity controlled.

You see both sides (some completely ignorant) pretty clearly on this board.

a reply to: Justice309

It really does seem to be a bigger conflict than a virus.

We have those that are saying "lol, youre scared," and others saying "lol, youre not scared."

While some of us are just saying "lets buckle down and handle it. Weve got the tools, and yet we are still waiting for large corporations to do it all."

Not only do we seem completely addicted to extreme emotions and reactions as a society, we seem addicted to large corporatized organizations.

So, yeah..

Seems like Zinc is the proposed treatment. The others that everyone is talking about are ancillary. Whether thats true or not remains to be seen, but it has apparently shown promise.

originally posted by: Serdgiam
a reply to: Justice309

It really does seem to be a bigger conflict than a virus.

We have those that are saying "lol, youre scared," and others saying "lol, youre not scared."

While some of us are just saying "lets buckle down and handle it. Weve got the tools, and yet we are still waiting for large corporations to do it all."

Not only do we seem completely addicted to extreme emotions and reactions as a society, we seem addicted to large corporatized organizations.

So, yeah..

Seems like Zinc is the proposed treatment. The others that everyone is talking about are ancillary. Whether thats true or not remains to be seen, but it has apparently shown promise.

It will be interesting to see the results in the coming months, honestly. I am excited to see what kind of combinations (if any) are most effective in treating this virus.

What a bastard of a virus...

a reply to: logicsoda

Thank you for holding that attitude, truly.

We can get through this, and we can come out the other side stronger than ever.

But.. We have to work towards it. Not just wait for corporations, twitter, facebook, media to give us "what we are supposed to react to today."

Lots of us are giving ideas, from people like Dr. Zelenko to myself (made a thread..) to projectvxn (made a thread..).

We have a lot of things in action here, with the virus only being one. Everything from designing protocols for handling large medical influx to decentralized manufacturing are, imo, critical conversations.

So many are just talking (sometimes yelling) about how everyone either should, or should not be afraid.

Bravery and courage are not the absence of fear or anxiety, its the ability to push past it. We can help each other

a reply to: Smarties

Nevada’s governor on Tuesday banned the use of anti-malaria drugs chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine to treat coronavirus patients.

Democratic Gov. Steve Sisolak’s executive order came after President Trump touted the medication as holding promise for combating the illness.

That seems fine and dandy. Thanks for that news. Governor is an idiot doing this.

Seems stupid to ban this treatment as it might help. We don't know so we have to try, don't we?

What do I know.

a reply to: Serdgiam

Yeah, the yelling gets annoying, doesn't it? It's like everyone is drinking way too much squirrel oil.

But, it's to be expected. We've been so divided you could pull up a fire truck in front of a group of people and they would argue what color it is.

a reply to: TheSpanishArcher

I really do believe that this situation is not only clearly revealing issues that have been percolating for years, but also what happens when we get addicted to extreme emotions & reactions for corporate influence and ad revenue.

Until we really examine those, and works towards fixing them, they arent going anywhere. I might focus on the US, naturally, but those issues are worldwide too.

a reply to: TheSpanishArcher

Governor is an idiot doing this

He didn't. He isn't.

The order doesn’t limit use of the drugs in hospitals, only in outpatient settings where hoarding is evident, the governor’s office stressed. Doctors may continue to prescribe them to hospitalized COVID-19 patients at their discretion.

www.reviewjournal.com...

originally posted by: toolgal462

originally posted by: logicsoda
This needs to be tested more rigorously. Can those numbers be verified?

Look up the Dr. in France who has had great success with this protocol. He has studies I believe.

No. The doctor in France was just the beginning. He wasn't using Zinc. Zinc is the key to the fantastic results Dr. Zelenko is getting. The hydroxychloroquine is just a facilitator. I'll bet once they know how it facilitates getting the zinc into the cells, they could find much safer and more effective facilitators - and maybe even a better form of Zinc.

a reply to: Phage

Guess I stepped in that one.

originally posted by: burntheships

originally posted by: underwerks
Not a doctor, but something tells me you probably shouldn’t get medical advice from a political talk show.

Yeah, much better to get it form a corrupt politicized globalist
organization like The WHO.

/s

I... I can't even.

1. You're literally saying you would rather listen to a talk show than the world health organisation

2. Corrupt, politicised, globalist? Have you heard yourself? Do you people even know what you mean by "globalist" any more?

People - listen to the professionals; not the paranoid delusions of a tin-pot forum on the internet.

Coadministration of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin may lead to prolong QT interval that can cause serious irregular heart rhythms (arrhythmias). I guess it is better than being drowned on land.

Toilet paper hoarding shows the irrational and fear of losing out (FOLO) thinking of humans. Perhaps some of them subconsciously think that they are in a #ty situation and relate that to the need for toilet paper.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

No. The doctor in France was just the beginning. He wasn't using Zinc. Zinc is the key to the fantastic results Dr. Zelenko is getting. The hydroxychloroquine is just a facilitator. I'll bet once they know how it facilitates getting the zinc into the cells, they could find much safer and more effective facilitators - and maybe even a better form of Zinc.

Two over the counter zinc ionophores are epigallocatechin-gallate (EGCG), and quercetin. EGCG is more powerful than quercetin, both are less powerful ionophores than hydroxychloroquine, but both have fewer side effects that hydroxychloroquine. It may be that combining them will get close to the power of hydroxychloroquine, and because they have fewer side effects, it may be possible to simply ramp up the doses until they do as much as the maximum safe dose of hydroxychloroquine.

They usually use zinc sulfate capsules, which are fine for delivering a moderate amount of zinc throughout the body. However, you can get more zinc in the throat with lozenges than with capsules, so lozenges are more effective against common colds (20% of which are coronaviruses) than capsules.
Zinc acetate lozenges are better against colds than zinc gluconate/gluconium lozenges, but the difference is small and if you can't get zinc acetate, zinc gluconate is good enough.

So, a possible over the counter cure for the coronavirus is up to 700 mg/day of EGCG, along with up to 2,500 mg/day of quercetin, and up to 200 mg/day of zinc in the form of zinc acetate lozenges.

originally posted by: RumannXylo

originally posted by: tanstaafl

No. The doctor in France was just the beginning. He wasn't using Zinc. Zinc is the key to the fantastic results Dr. Zelenko is getting. The hydroxychloroquine is just a facilitator. I'll bet once they know how it facilitates getting the zinc into the cells, they could find much safer and more effective facilitators - and maybe even a better form of Zinc.

Two over the counter zinc ionophores are epigallocatechin-gallate (EGCG), and quercetin. EGCG is more powerful than quercetin, both are less powerful ionophores than hydroxychloroquine, but both have fewer side effects that hydroxychloroquine. It may be that combining them will get close to the power of hydroxychloroquine, and because they have fewer side effects, it may be possible to simply ramp up the doses until they do as much as the maximum safe dose of hydroxychloroquine.

They usually use zinc sulfate capsules, which are fine for delivering a moderate amount of zinc throughout the body. However, you can get more zinc in the throat with lozenges than with capsules, so lozenges are more effective against common colds (20% of which are coronaviruses) than capsules.
Zinc acetate lozenges are better against colds than zinc gluconate/gluconium lozenges, but the difference is small and if you can't get zinc acetate, zinc gluconate is good enough.

So, a possible over the counter cure for the coronavirus is up to 700 mg/day of EGCG, along with up to 2,500 mg/day of quercetin, and up to 200 mg/day of zinc in the form of zinc acetate lozenges.

Seriously this thread is what is wrong with us. The internet could be so powerful for us, coming together to eviscerate the politicians and system that is taking advantage of every opportunity cover provides them. Instead, we hope and push these ideas that have no basis in reality. Wait, like three or four months and let the crap filter out. Stop commenting on this unless there is hard tested evidence.

originally posted by: lostsock
a reply to: underwerks

Hey take it easy now. As far as I know you can only get Chloroquine, (unless you have fish with malaria???) Azithromycin (again you can order this online for your fish if they have a fever and a cough) and Zinc Sulfate (no idea what this is or where to get it) Unless you have a prescription. If people are really going to try and self medicate with fish meds...then I guess you get what you pay for.

An inorganic compound en.m.wikipedia.org...
Dr. Wong carries zinc citrate. His formulation has a high level of elemental zinc and is more “ bioavailable”. In fact we are using it now but it’s back ordered due to high demand drwongsessentials.com...
And while we are on the subject m.youtube.com...

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: lostsock
a reply to: underwerks

Hey take it easy now. As far as I know you can only get Chloroquine, (unless you have fish with malaria???) Azithromycin (again you can order this online for your fish if they have a fever and a cough) and Zinc Sulfate (no idea what this is or where to get it) Unless you have a prescription. If people are really going to try and self medicate with fish meds...then I guess you get what you pay for.

An inorganic compound en.m.wikipedia.org...
Dr. Wong carries zinc citrate. His formulation has a high level of elemental zinc and is more “ bioavailable”. In fact we are using it now but it’s back ordered due to high demand drwongsessentials.com...
And while we are on the subject m.youtube.com...

Oh look, another person who has the answer. Thank God.

a reply to: fencesitter85

The CDC wants us to believe the virus comes from animals.

How in the hell do we believe that when animals can't even get it?

But just trust the scientific community because they know what
they're doing? They couldn't possibly know what they're doing and
be part of an agenda.

originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: fencesitter85

The CDC wants us to believe the virus comes from animals.

How in the hell do we believe that when animals can't even get it?

But just trust the scientific community because they know what
they're doing? They couldn't possibly know what they're doing and
be pert of an agenda.

Reports have come out showing both dogs and cats have gotten it. How reliable those reports are is of course up for debate in these times.

originally posted by: ColoradoJens

originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: fencesitter85

The CDC wants us to believe the virus comes from animals.

How in the hell do we believe that when animals can't even get it?

But just trust the scientific community because they know what
they're doing? They couldn't possibly know what they're doing and
be pert of an agenda.

Reports have come out showing both dogs and cats have gotten it. How reliable those reports are is of course up for debate in these times.

im sorry but can you point out where "dogs and cats have gotten it" was backed up by over 300 cases like those that have had POSITIVE EFFECTS on the drug treatment ?

where they are doing further studies on "dog and cats getting it" like they are doing on the POSSIBLE effects of these drugs on people?

not only is your example pathetic, but not even remotely logical by any standard outside of denial.

scrounger

a reply to: ColoradoJens

Reports have come out showing both dogs and cats have gotten it. How reliable those reports are is of course up for debate in these times.

Don't you think that report is irresponsible?
We could see a large scale pet panic over such unproven claims.
Some one might give kitty a lethal dose of fish tank cleaner or
who knows? lol