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Originally posted by saint4God
Originally posted by shaunybaby
unless you accept jesus christ then you are going to hell according to the bible, hence according to the beliefs you choose to follow 'saint4god', every other religion that doesn't accept jesus christ is going to hell.
''where have i said this''...you don't need to tell people that this is what is going to happen, because the bible teachers you that this is the way it's going to be for the people that don't believe in jesus christ.
I'd recommend evaluating a Christian on the whole Bible before making an assessment. In this case, I'm referring to Revelation 20:11. There are other places in the Bible that talk about the same judgement occuring here. John 3:16 tells us we can be saved from such a day, a guarentee of salvation. I don't expect the judgement will be easy, let alone for those who reject Christ in this lifetime. I do not want to see anyone fall for taking the risk of 'wait and see'. It's possible to get those answers now, and there's great benefit to that.
Hopefully this answers your question as well riley.
[edit on 4-8-2005 by saint4God]
Originally posted by sweetgal2004
It is too bad you need a book to tell you that God is there. Instead of realizing that God is in all of us. God Is all around. That is the only proof we have. I can pick up any book at the library and base my entire life upon it. The bible is a fairy tale. Written by man. I have one interesting point. God seems to talk to people in the bible. He tells them things. He tells them what to write down. If I were to say God talked to me today I would be labeled Crazy. They heard the voice of GOD. So do people in mental instituitions.
Originally posted by shaunybaby
well you wouldn't be labelled crazy. there's people that believe god talks to them, there are people that say god has given them powers to heal.
god's never spoken to me so the concept seems quite absurd. i wouldn't label the people that think god talks to them, because it's not their own fault. due to their genetic background and their environment they were brought up in, has created in their mind the existance of god. the same as ghosts, aliens etc...they've pushed these beliefs on themselves so much that they 'really do believe they are real.
Originally posted by shaunybaby
Originally posted by sweetgal2004
It is too bad you need a book to tell you that God is there. Instead of realizing that God is in all of us. God Is all around. That is the only proof we have. I can pick up any book at the library and base my entire life upon it. The bible is a fairy tale. Written by man. I have one interesting point. God seems to talk to people in the bible. He tells them things. He tells them what to write down. If I were to say God talked to me today I would be labeled Crazy. They heard the voice of GOD. So do people in mental instituitions.
well you wouldn't be labelled crazy. there's people that believe god talks to them, there are people that say god has given them powers to heal.
god's never spoken to me so the concept seems quite absurd. i wouldn't label the people that think god talks to them, because it's not their own fault. due to their genetic background and their environment they were brought up in, has created in their mind the existance of god. the same as ghosts, aliens etc...they've pushed these beliefs on themselves so much that they 'really do believe they are real. or you can go for the simple explanation that god is real, ghosts are real and aliens are real and come to abduct cows, then moving on to making patterns in wheat fields, then moving on to actually abducting people...
Originally posted by riley
In defence of what I and others have experienced.. the majority of what I mentioned had witnesses [ESP, precognition [proves itself] ghosts etc.] though if someone had not experienced these things I would understand their not believing them as I wouldn't either. I don't know if aliens exist.. I haven't seen them myself so can't judge the stability of people that believe in them. While I don't believe in god I believe in the 'paranormal' though they might be just natural things that occur and have yet to be explained by science so remain 'magical' [eg ESP sometimes emerges when a child is hurt and a mother already 'knows'.]
Originally posted by lightseeker
I believe that ESP, Precognition, ghosts, etc. actually can be documented as having occurred. Surprise you.? I believe they sometimes occur but I have a different opinion of where they come from then you do. I know they are all a clever lie by the Enemy of men's souls; a "Beautiful Deception" to lure anyone away from the truth. After all, who needs God and Jesus if we can prove these really wonderful and strange things can happen to us without Him, right.?
Originally posted by riley
Originally posted by lightseeker
I believe that ESP, Precognition, ghosts, etc. actually can be documented as having occurred. Surprise you.? I believe they sometimes occur but I have a different opinion of where they come from then you do. I know they are all a clever lie by the Enemy of men's souls; a "Beautiful Deception" to lure anyone away from the truth. After all, who needs God and Jesus if we can prove these really wonderful and strange things can happen to us without Him, right.?
I beg your pardon? I didn't WANT these experiences, In didn't ASK for these experiences.. I just am. I have ALWAYS been 'fai' even when christian [no.. belief in 'Him' didn't 'save' me from it].. I cannot help it as it's a natural ability.. and if it's 'evil'.. why did a vision actually save someone's life 5 seconds before they would have died? I find it pretty insulting that you can allign me with something you consider evil when you are doing it in a veil of biggotry.. the most evil thing that exists.
[edit on 4-8-2005 by riley]
Originally posted by sweetgal2004
first off, my mother works in a mental instituition as a doctor. she labels those people as schizophrenic, who talk to god, or who say god talks to them. know why? because she is forced to. she is abiding the laws of what is mentally ill, and what is not. you don't have an M.D. or you would have the ability to label those who talk to god or hear god as schizophrenic.
but what i believe is since many people, like yourself have not experienced this reality, they cannot believe it is real. just like your comment of ignorance on aliens and ghost and talking to god. you admitted your own ignorance by admitting you have never experienced these things, then judging, by saying "those people make themselves believe."
when in all actuality shauny baby you should think about the possibility of these things being your own reality. because since they aren't your reality. they aren't real to you. but to others their reality is reality. life is full of experience, possibilities, and knowledge. what i say is; don't be in the know, be in the mystery. and if that is to hard for you to understand, i'll say it like this; think outside of your own reality for once, and listen to someone elses. their possibilities are just as real as yours. all possibilities are endless.
Originally posted by shaunybaby
Originally posted by sweetgal2004
first off, my mother works in a mental instituition as a doctor. she labels those people as schizophrenic, who talk to god, or who say god talks to them. know why? because she is forced to. she is abiding the laws of what is mentally ill, and what is not. you don't have an M.D. or you would have the ability to label those who talk to god or hear god as schizophrenic.
but what i believe is since many people, like yourself have not experienced this reality, they cannot believe it is real. just like your comment of ignorance on aliens and ghost and talking to god. you admitted your own ignorance by admitting you have never experienced these things, then judging, by saying "those people make themselves believe."
when in all actuality shauny baby you should think about the possibility of these things being your own reality. because since they aren't your reality. they aren't real to you. but to others their reality is reality. life is full of experience, possibilities, and knowledge. what i say is; don't be in the know, be in the mystery. and if that is to hard for you to understand, i'll say it like this; think outside of your own reality for once, and listen to someone elses. their possibilities are just as real as yours. all possibilities are endless.
i'm admitting my own ignorance by saying 'why' people believe in certain things?? i'm just using simple psychological techniques put forward to say 'why' people believe in god and 'why' some people do not. hence the genetic makeup of a person and/or their environment. there is a reason why some people believe in god and some do not, i was putting forward two answer...their genes and environment. how in the world is that making me ignorant?
if you want to believe that people are religious because 'they just are', then so be it. believing and not believing in god is pretty much the same as one person who likes marmite and one person that does not. if you taste marmite when you're two years old and like it, you're probably going to like it for the rest of your life. if you taste it when you're two years old and hate it, you're likely to never try it again. just the same as if you get a taste for god when you're young it's very hard to walk away, even if you think you're wrong.
Originally posted by saint4God
Is there something I can do to prove that I'm not?
Originally posted by saint4God
Why do you want me to deny my proof? How seriously could you take me if I pretended the reality of it all doesn't exist?
Originally posted by saint4God
I am learning new things now and then so I'm willing to hear anyone out.
Originally posted by saint4God
Someone brought a Bible to read on their break time (I didn't have mine since I was working in another building) and the comment was made, "better keep an eye on her, she could be one of those". I asked what she meant and she said, "you know, a Bible, at work?"
Originally posted by saint4God
It's hard not being able to quickly and easily share exactly what it's like.
Originally posted by sweetgal2004
shauny baby it sounds like to me religion was pushed on you and you are too afraid to walk away, even if you're wrong...
i said nothing of a two year old or marmite.
i simply stated that your ignorance comes from you not understanding other peoples happenings, and experiences.
gentics tell nothing of what someone is going to believe. and neither does their environment. so i don't have a clue as to where you are getting your psychological techniques.
a person decides on there own, by the gift of choice, what they are going to believe. and if you have read any of the bible you must have missed the part where it says we have choice.
i had more than a taste of it as a child. i was forced to read the bible everynight. whatever verses momma picked out for me to read, i read. then on top of that i had 3 days a week of CHRISTIANITY. 3 days of church. studying the BIBLE. reading the BIBLE. i look back on it and think hmm...what else could I have read...what else could i have learned if i wasn't so focused on one book???
so in conclusion shauny baby, you are not god, you are a part of god, just as i am.
Originally posted by Charlie Murphy
It comes with the territory, so no.
Originally posted by Charlie Murphy
Part of being religious, is believing you know the answer. I don't think either of us know the answer, but I'm not claiming to.
Originally posted by Charlie Murphy
Have you ever heard the saying, 1000 monkeys at 1000 typewriters will eventually type Shakespeare?
Originally posted by Charlie Murphy
I think your proof is just coincidence, as odd as it may sound.
Originally posted by Charlie Murphy
Your right, if you didnt' preach what you practice, I would call you a hypocrite. However, this is where the arrogance comes up again. Scientists are sure they are right, but they repeatedly try to prove themselves wrong, to find the truth. Do you see where I am coming from?
Originally posted by Charlie Murphy
A major contradiction I think is that between the New and Old Testament.
The main ideas I got from them:
Old= Eye for an Eye
New= Love and Forgiveness
Did you notcie this?
Originally posted by Charlie Murphy
Oh no! Not a Bible at work! No just kidding. I would have no problem with someone reading a Bible a work, more power to them. If they want to read their Bible, What business is it of mine?
Originally posted by Charlie Murphy
That is where I draw the line though. It is where desicions, based on the Bible, that affect others are being made is where I become offended.
Originally posted by Charlie Murphy
Maybe Charles Manson can describe it to me?
Originally posted by saint4God
I'm not saying I know everything, just saying I know one thing.
Originally posted by saint4God
I did too on first occurence (more specifically, thinking it was my own doing somehow), but how many coincidences have to occur before it's no longer a series of coincidences?
Originally posted by saint4God
Yes, but I don't know how I'm different. Are you saying I'm not challenging what I'm being taught? I can talk about what I challenged and how I got the answers, but don't see how it's relevant to anyone else.
Originally posted by saint4God
Does the law make sense? Wisdom is wisdom is wisdom despite the source. "A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step". Because a Christian didn't say that, should I throw it away and call it bunk? Rather, I take that wisdom to heart because it gives me hope. Which is both something good and something I believe in. Oh, and 10 points if you can name the person who said it without looking it up.
Originally posted by saint4God
Why would you listen to him?
Originally posted by Charlie Murphy
That one thing is everything, or thats how I see it.
Originally posted by Charlie Murphy
Only one that can only be explained by something Supernatural. I guess its up to you what you consider unexplainable.
Originally posted by Charlie Murphy
About 200 years ago people were sure witches existed,
Originally posted by Charlie Murphy
and would KILL based on what they were told, without questioning it.
Originally posted by Charlie Murphy
About 300 years ago people were sure phologiston existed. We now know neither of these things exist and were complete falsehoods. Do you really think we know everything?
Originally posted by Charlie Murphy
Look back at how wrong we were in religion and science. Imagine what we will know 250 years from now. I bet we will look back at how wrong we are now.
Originally posted by Charlie Murphy
I heard that quote a few times before, and know a few Confucius quotes, but didnt know that was his. My short term memory is shot anyways.
Originally posted by Charlie Murphy
The law may be contraversial and should not be affected by anyone's religious beliefs. I'm talking about laws being affected by things like "souls".
Originally posted by Charlie Murphy
I meant so he could tell me how it feels to communicate to God, like you.
Originally posted by saint4God
So, I'm doing my best to read as many as I can check out at a time.
Originally posted by saint4God
I greatly admire those who can quickly and clearly spot what is good and trust in it.
Originally posted by saint4God
Er...witches do exist. I know 3 currently, who declare them as such, I consider friends.
Originally posted by saint4God
Christians were too intimidated to ask these questions was wrong.
Originally posted by saint4God
Is it getting better or worse?
Originally posted by saint4God
10 points!.
Originally posted by saint4God
This has been a very enjoyable exchange. It has forced me to think and consider quite a bit. I hope it has benefited you in some way as well & would like to hear your thoughts on it.
Originally posted by sweetgal2004
Because in the scriptures it tells man to not partake in any witchcraft, magic, or ritualistic activity. And to stay away from people who do.
Originally posted by sweetgal2004
Riley, if it helps you any, I believe you.
Even though I know some people are ignoring my posts. Like they are afraid of the TRUTH which comes outside of the bible.
Originally posted by Charlie Murphy
Read whatever book you want, whenever you want for as long as you want, but don't try to make someone else read it.
Originally posted by Charlie Murphy
Not me, good and bad are only points of view.
Originally posted by Charlie Murphy
While its more obvious what is more beneficial sometimes, its not always that clear cut.
Originally posted by Charlie Murphy
People who practice withcraft exist, but I doubt they come to your house on a broom.
Originally posted by Charlie Murphy
They can't do you any harm by way of black magic, potions, or killing your pets.
Originally posted by Charlie Murphy
Most "witches" killed back then were innocents caught up in the mob mentality. What were the ways they were judeged again? Oh ya, If you drowned you were innocent, but if you lived you were a witch. If you were innocent, and were being burned God would surely save you, otherwise it was considered a sucessful hunt.
Originally posted by Charlie Murphy
I would stand up for what I believe no matter what the cost.
Originally posted by Charlie Murphy
I think better, some might disagree.
Originally posted by Charlie Murphy
Too bad it won't pay for some of these stupid quote fines I keep getting.
Originally posted by Charlie Murphy
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You may have felt a little insulted, me comparing you to a physcopath and all.
Originally posted by Charlie Murphy
My point is that anyone could claim they have talked to God, and its impossible to tell whether they are lying or not. You have admitted that their are special cases in which God tells people to kill, so alignment doesn't really matter. I could go and say" Today, Jesus told me to love and forgive people.". Just because it fits with his message does not make it true.
Originally posted by Charlie Murphy
I feel there is a double standard with the motivation among other things Biblical. If something comes up that does not make sense, I hear" Well he's God, he can do whatever he wants". Then when it comes to other things, there is set rules. I'm sorry, but I just don't see any more validity in your claims than Mansons.
Originally posted by Charlie Murphy
Otherwise it was a good answer, given the topic.
Originally posted by Charlie Murphy
I feel the same about:
Christian = Good "Christians" = Not always so good.