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originally posted by: spiritualarchitect
Joe Rogan is clearly clueless about some things UFO. He does not know about the Fatima UFO sighting? He does not know that Columbus was one of the first white men in the new world to see a USO/UFO? In general he thinks people who have claimed to see UFO are “crackpots”. That crackpot list of course includes Presidents and Admirals and Generals and pilots and doctors, etc, etc.
By the way, let’s give some credit to Leif Erikson too, as he was one of the first white men in the new world to see Bigfoot.
And man cannot make anything that fast so that leaves good old ET.
All of these goofy people who instantly say 'It's our military!' are going to be sorry when they find out the truth and they're going to look like dimwitted children who could not think for themselves, even when other people were trying to help them out.
originally posted by: InhaleExhale
Who is to say certain corporations dealing in energy and aviation haven't already?
one can research and see that ideas are known about even though they might be theoretical that we could build craft like this in the near future.
already been working to build something like this in secret?
Second, we are not talking about "in the near future", we are talking about the past. And we are not just talking about 2004, we are talking about the same thing that has been going on for 70 years.
Third, I am telling you the aliens are here. I have seen their craft. So I have my proof. I do not need some secret human science invention to explain what is going on. It is not us, it is Them. I am trying to help you guys out by telling you they are here, but you do not want to accept it as even a possibility.
So if you want to say it is human, prove it.
It should be a lot easier for you to prove it is human than for me to prove it is not.
The tic tacs are flying fast AND staying in the air all day long, without refueling.
If these 2004 tic tacs’ were British, Russian, Chinese, Japanese or American, why would the country of origin still be spending billions mass producing conventional hardware and drones?
originally posted by: thefinaltheory
This was all the footage that was taken, (sort of) I have four versions of this video they all are the same for the most part. The "full version" is about twice the length of this and has more ufo movement etc. But for some reason I can't get it to play , it says codec error... though I am 100% positive my codecs are up to date, I even have a codec pack. The second video is the one you see now. The third and fourth appear to be the same video as the second but just a bit shorter. So all in all your not missing anything, I promise you that. Its all more or less...the same.
originally posted by: joelr
I thought the narrative was the gov is hiding this big cover up and there have been all these military sightings I read about from ufo "researchers" but then this encounter has the involved military people talking openly and somehow footage has been leaked?
How did this work out? Was the footage leaked first then people looked up the people involved? Seems like a weird coincidence? Can someone explain how this one military guy is able to freely speak of his encounter and there is footage from a military jet as well. And how did the footage get leaked? Wouldn't someone be prosecuted for leaking any military property?
Why don't the military people from all the other cases also come out and talk about what happened.
But this Fravor guy has gone public with no problem? This doesn't fit in with the history of ufos and the military?
originally posted by: 1point92AU
They even stated they personally knew more than 100 other active duty fighter pilots who are aware of the phenomena. They were able to get another active duty F18 fighter pilot to go on record and he was going to conduct a video taped interview but then he backed out.