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TicTac UFO Pilot Cmdr. David Fravor New Interview on JRE

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posted on Oct, 28 2019 @ 04:39 AM
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a reply to: Ezekiel

Hello back at you! Yes, I agree, but politics sometimes hits here before it even gets on the news media. lol




posted on Oct, 28 2019 @ 07:16 AM
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originally posted by: spiritualarchitect
Joe Rogan is clearly clueless about some things UFO. He does not know about the Fatima UFO sighting? He does not know that Columbus was one of the first white men in the new world to see a USO/UFO? In general he thinks people who have claimed to see UFO are “crackpots”. That crackpot list of course includes Presidents and Admirals and Generals and pilots and doctors, etc, etc.

By the way, let’s give some credit to Leif Erikson too, as he was one of the first white men in the new world to see Bigfoot.


I didn't know that either, it's meaningless in the grand sceheme of things, everyone doesn't know everything because you do



posted on Oct, 28 2019 @ 07:36 AM
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And man cannot make anything that fast so that leaves good old ET.


Who says?

Theoretical science says we can.

Who is to say certain corporations dealing in energy and aviation haven't already?




All of these goofy people who instantly say 'It's our military!' are going to be sorry when they find out the truth and they're going to look like dimwitted children who could not think for themselves, even when other people were trying to help them out.


So no one, as all of the threads I have read about the subject of the tic tacs on ATS no one has instantly said its our military as opposed to many almost instantly claiming it aliens.

Those that speculate it could be human tech make it quite clear that what they are doing is speculating and give reason.

Those like yourself that claim, not speculate but claim its aliens show nothing but spew the same old lines that implies them having knowledge that we cannot build this when in fact one can research and see that ideas are known about even though they might be theoretical that we could build craft like this in the near future.


If this can found out by any old researcher then who is to say that certain corporations that may or may not be connected to military funding haven't already been working to build something like this in secret?

If its theoretically possible in the near future and if certain technologies build and used by military are 20-50 years ahead of what mainstream is then what is so insane about speculating it could be ours?

and why is not utterly insane to claim its aliens because we cannot make anything fast without anything but that idiotic excuse that shows how ignorant the one is making that claim?



posted on Oct, 28 2019 @ 02:09 PM
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a reply to: toysforadults
Curious, but how many years have you been studying UFO's to not know of the Columbus and Fatima UFO events?



posted on Oct, 28 2019 @ 03:08 PM
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originally posted by: InhaleExhale

Who is to say certain corporations dealing in energy and aviation haven't already?

one can research and see that ideas are known about even though they might be theoretical that we could build craft like this in the near future.

already been working to build something like this in secret?


First off, as already mentioned, that "goofy" comment was not mine but rather a response to the person who wrote it.

Second, we are not talking about "in the near future", we are talking about the past. And we are not just talking about 2004, we are talking about the same thing that has been going on for 70 years.

Third, I am telling you the aliens are here. I have seen their craft. So I have my proof. I do not need some secret human science invention to explain what is going on. It is not us, it is Them. I am trying to help you guys out by telling you they are here, but you do not want to accept it as even a possibility.

So if you want to say it is human, prove it. It should be a lot easier for you to prove it is human than for me to prove it is not. But it is not easier for you, is it. That is because you are ignorant of the truth, because you ignore what you are being told by those of us who know they are here. And the only reason we know is because we were just lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time.

Now I only know that the EBE are here and I know that their "Sport Model" is probably the real thing because what I saw looked very much like what Lazar saw. But like you, I do not know if these tic tacs are really alien craft or if there is something fake going on here. It would be better off for you if these videos are fake than to have to explain away craft that drop down from 80,000 feet and hang out all day before going back up to space again, without any in-flight refueling. No if, the videos and eyewitnesses are authentic, then we are surely talking about alien craft.


“In my submode, I observed the contacts mostly at 28,000 feet and tracking south at 100 knots in groups of 5 to 10. The objects did not seem to notice us and I/we did not consider them as any type of threat. It was only when CDR Fravor's Fast Eagle flight made that first intercept, then… the objects went ballistic --- non-Newtonian maneuvers that defied everything I had long trained for and learned of.”
~ Kevin Day

Like a 1940’s flying saucer, these things can hover in place, and then take off in a second and go so fast that they appear to disappear.

These tics are so fast they can jump from one to place to another place miles away in just seconds. They have to be unmanned because no human pilot could withstand the G forces of being inside one.

I mean does anyone really think military science is so advanced it has figured out the technology to overcome that problem and the interior is a closed system where a pilot could survive?

“There was a total of over 100 separate UAP observed a few days before the 'TIC TAC intercept' and a few days afterwards. They appeared in groups of 5-10 at a time --- originating in the vicinity of Catalina Island and fading from radar off the coast of Baja.”
~ Kevin Day

If there was a fleet of 100 of them in 2004, where did they go?

Why have no airline pilots talked about seeing them? Why has no radar operators talked about tracking them? Why is the military not using them?

If they are using them, how come the Arabs in the Middle East are not talking about them? How come no one in the American, British, Russian, Japanese or Chinese military are not talking about them? Why have these countries not already duplicated them and made their own versions?

Why would an air force not be producing these by the hundreds? If they are, where are they? Where in Japan could they be kept without America seeing them? They have not been seen on any airbase, so are they kept only at that good old Area 51? Or as mentioned, are they hidden in China or Siberia? Spy satellites see most everything, how have they not been seen?

Does anyone think they are weapons? If you believe a 500 mile per hour aluminum airliner can pass right into a steel building like butter, then surely you believe an unmanned tic tack doing several thousands of miles per hour could slice through any warship hull, even a submarine.

This means of course a ticky tac could knock any aircraft out of the sky if used as a missile. So why build super expensive conventional fighter planes to carry misses? If you think the tics are too expensive to be used as sacrificial weapons like missiles, do you also think the tics are unable to carry weapons? If they carry weapons, again it must be asked, why build super expensive conventional fighter planes?

Is it simply these tic tacs are too expensive to use themselves and they cannot carry add-on weapons? Why in 15 years has this great secret military science group not come up with a way to arm their ticky tacs? All this great technology and they cannot arm the thing? If not, then what good is it?

How about Recon? Are the tics are nothing more than unmanned spy planes? Drones like the Stingray and Reaper can stay in the air all day, but they use gasoline and they cannot fly fast AND stay in the air for long. They cannot fly thousands of miles per hour like the tic tacs have been observed to do. The tic tacs are flying fast AND staying in the air all day long, without refueling. Plus they are dropping down from space, dropping down and going back up to 80,000 feet. If these tic tacs can hover in place and bounce around like ping pong balls in a cup and then zip across the country side and be active all day long, why are the military using drones like the ones we see all the time? Why bother when you have a craft so much better?

If these 2004 tic tacs’ were British, Russian, Chinese, Japanese or American, why would the country of origin still be spending billions mass producing conventional hardware and drones?

Why they making a gawd damn piece of junk like the Raptor and Lightning when a 1947 flying saucer or a 2004 tic tac can fly circles around it?



posted on Oct, 31 2019 @ 05:45 AM
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Another crazy thing about all this. There are 100's of them all grouped together and each of those are same size as the jets. Now with that in mind, many UFO reports records going back to early 1900's even. All that include just about every basic geometric shape. Saucer shape discs, egg elliptical, cigar, obtuse/acute triangles, rectangle/square, cubes, pyramids. That is a lot of inventory! Not including what we don't know about, mother ships and whatever is in the ocean. If these are in the ocean, then it is very probable they are on the moon and other bodies. Then when you think about that and extrapolate further and combine the stories of up close abductions, cattle mutilations, visits, Solar Warden type stories. Wow, there may actually be some truth to some of those stories and there are massive fleets out there. The saucer I saw in 1987 flying around the Moon certainly shouln't have been there. That was pre 1990 Belgium black triangle era. These things have been creeping around a long long time.

Then you have NASA, supposedly not knowing anything or seeing anything?? I find it harder and harder to believe NASA doesn't know anything when it comes to this topic. The rest of us are just kept in the dark and led to believe we haven't gone beyond our little sandbox, both in technology, science and our intellectual understanding of space. We know the makeup of the Universe and what's in it. Stars, planets overall with a little bit of weirdness in the mix, black holes etc. What other purpose is there for the Universe if not to create life? I think they we're on the cusp discovering and learning that the Universe is filled with life like an ocean. There are ET out there and can be way ahead in advancement. So they are observing Earth. Who wouldn't? The Earth a prized gem no doubt. Watching us they to can learn things even from a primitive civilization. We may do things differently on a low level that they never thought of and may incorporate that into their own technology. It's like learning from history and the mysteries of pyramids who, what, or how they are built.

Which brings me to pyramid sightings. Some have seen pyramids spinning around tumbling or on a point edge. Maybe the Egyptians built what they saw and interacted with. You can't build a pyramid on it's point, but you can build it flat on it's sides! There has been talks about these UFO's having some kind of drive that uses a mercury liquid metal substance inside spinning even as far back as the "Bell". Oddly enough they have found large quantities pools of mercury inside pyramids. Not just in Egypt, but all over the world where pyramids have been built in different civilizations. I think that there may have been a possible connection and sightings throughout the world and they all built what they have seen. Worshiping the Sun and the pyramids in the sky. Looking at it from their perspective. Maybe the ET even help build them, which would explain a lot of how super heavy stone was placed and cut. Hence anti-gravity. The pieces start to make a picture. So much lost knowledge long since forgotten over time. It's not just the magnificence of building the pyramids, but the shape and what they represent is the most important. Maybe the kings was ET and thought of as royalty/GODS and buried in them, with their representation of their technology. What about the pictures of spiders and snakes etc that can only be observed from the sky? It has to be a message and meaning behind it. Maybe some ET's got marooned here. Like marking a trail that you was there. Maybe they came here for resources. Now they are back and just never left. Maybe we're the seeded family tree of those ET.



posted on Nov, 3 2019 @ 05:39 AM
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Second, we are not talking about "in the near future", we are talking about the past. And we are not just talking about 2004, we are talking about the same thing that has been going on for 70 years.


This right here is why UFOlogy is completely doomed.

when so many things are interpreted completely the wrong way then its no wonder you have religious folks that need to support their Church of Ufology with ignorance or worse purposeful obfuscation.

I was addressing your absolute comments and claims.

all you can respond with is this obfuscation.

Enjoy your "disclosure".




Third, I am telling you the aliens are here. I have seen their craft. So I have my proof. I do not need some secret human science invention to explain what is going on. It is not us, it is Them. I am trying to help you guys out by telling you they are here, but you do not want to accept it as even a possibility.


Good for you.

You deserve a star for you effort.

I could break this nonsense down with some simple questions that would require quite detailed answers but all your answers will be even more idiotic and a pain to read.

So enjoy your attempts to "tell us"





So if you want to say it is human, prove it.


Why don't you read what you are replying too again

Please stop making up crap.

No one has claimed its human.

the only absolute claims made about the tic tacs are from idiots like... well sorry to say like yourself that claim its aliens because you say so and make other wild claims to support it.

Not even any logical argument in support, simply

I have seen them, they are real, I am telling you.

OK

Good for you bud.




It should be a lot easier for you to prove it is human than for me to prove it is not.


I have already stated why it could be. No one has asked you to prove it snot, again as no one has claimed it is but argue that its a more logical answer.

maybe try learning how to read before making a foll of yourse3lf and implying things that were never claimed.

With such incredibly bad interpretation skills I fail to see how you could differentiate even the most simplest of things to the more complex things seen in the sky.




The tic tacs are flying fast AND staying in the air all day long, without refueling.




Just insanity to say this.

If you don't know what they are how you claim they are not refueling?

If you "know" its aliens, then knowledge is simple, knowledge is something that can passed on and other can learn it via a method.

Can you teach us ways to learn its aliens or can just preach and expect us to accept your word?




If these 2004 tic tacs’ were British, Russian, Chinese, Japanese or American, why would the country of origin still be spending billions mass producing conventional hardware and drones?




Does it have to overseen by government to build things and does the government own everything built or do private corporations have their own research and development without governmental oversight?

You are asking these questions like it has to be government or military.

No one has claimed this, some have speculated and given reason why it could be military or private sector testing.

The only claims made are by you, that its aliens and aliens are here.

saying you have seen an alien ship means nothing in these discussions.

I assume almost all even skeptics are here in this discussion because they too have seen something unidentified,

Many are speculating you are making claims, stop asking for others to give proof when only you are making absolute claims.

Show just a little intelligence, please.

I just reread what I initially posted and Oh my, This post looks like its just a repeat of my initial reply that you replied with all this nonsense. It was simply an observation about your absolute claims and how no one has claimed its human but speculated and given reasons why they think that way.



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