Trump blames mass shootings on mentally ill, calls for more mental institutions

What a dumb idea on Trump's part. I don't see anyone trying to claim that a lack of mental health facilities is what is causing these mass shootings. And even if that was the case it does nothing to change the fact that the process to have someone involuntarily committed is extremely difficult.

So even if we spend the money to build the facilities how exactly does Trump propose we get these people into them before they shoot up a public place?

a reply to: andy06shake

I can get down with that train of thought. Most refreshing.

But I wonder, do we really define have and havenots the same? Do we define it by material worth? Do we define it by healthy social connections with each other? Do we define it as being comfortable with one self?

I wonder, how many issues would be corrected if we were simply happy with ourselves, with who we are?

Hmm, just to twist it a bit, maybe the true gift is to be wealthy. There must be some overdriving desire to accumulate massive amounts of wealth past the point of consumption. So the wealthy have this drive and maybe we could call it bad-ego (I don't think ego is bad, it is all which side of the ego a person feeds). They define themselves by their social circle and their prodigy left behind. When they are in serious mental trouble, they usually just take themselves out and leave their surroundings intact. scratch that...that line of analogy was stupid.

What I am trying to say is maybe we are valuing the wrong things. That which we do value in today's society is causing our strife. There are no bandaids for this issue. The more bandaids we try and come up with to maintain the status quo, the worse our spiral will become. Frankly I don't see us changing our ways, period. So then, maybe it is easier to just corrupt the point of view in believing this reality is working exactly as intended.

originally posted by: Sillyolme

So far none of these mass shootings have been committed by the homeless.

OK so what is your point? Most mass shootings are done by people with a history that doesn't warrant going to the funny farm...

Much bigger picture than the few mass shootings by unstable people. There was 3 mass shootings in Chicago last weekend alone. 9000 out of the 11,000 murdered each year are gang related. If you want to fix something first that area is a good start of people who are violent everyday. Going down the path of thought police is not something I really want.

originally posted by: Sillyolme

It is hate and rage that makes these people shoot up a crowd.

Not crazy.

Crazy people are more often not dangerous to anyone but themselves.

OK what causes the hate and rage? BTW anyone that decides to mass kill with really no reason is crazy... Give me one good reason that is not a level of insanity.

a reply to: Sillyolme

Person beats their spouse, sorry, it may not be diagnosed mental illness but you're clearly not of sound mind if you take part in that action. Same as the drivers that cut others off and make wild gestures, something not quite right, as in a lack of capacity in dealing with negative emotions.

If you can look at someone who would take the lives of others as mentally sound, and just filled with hate and rage...why are they letting those two emotions guide their actions? Most people without mental issues seem to be able to either not let their emotions get the better of them, or it never escalates to that point anyway.

Although there is no diagnosis for anger problems in DSM-5 or the World Health Organizations ICD-10 manual, several disorders reflect enduring and dysfunctional anger. The most common of these are Intermittent Explosive Disorder and Oppositional Defiant Disorder. However, more than 32 disorders listed anger, aggression, or irritability as a symptom.

To the point of not all panhandlers, yes I know this, I've given food to quite a few and they were very pleased to have it. I've seen the dumpster divers and got them as much food as they could manage themselves for a bit. The ones I'm talking of in my previous post are the ones that take the food or water offer and say nope, just need cash. Although I did have a guy one evening when I was younger downtown who said he didn't want a handout, he wanted to earn some money. Guy did card tricks for donations, I had no problem giving that guy some cash, I don't care what he did with it, he earned it.

originally posted by: TGunner
He's right, there are too many crazies with guns so why penalize the sane gun owners for the sake of the few? This is about logic, but not just logic, there are other factors too that need looking at like easily gotten perscription drugs sometimes given by fake doctors, and sometimes the cause of MI as much as for it. Look at London they're taking knives away from people but they are penalizing the sane ones too, that includes online purchasing.

MORRISTOWN, New Jersey: President Donald Trump said on Thursday he supports meaningful background checks for gun buyers, but he said that those responsible for recent mass shootings were mentally ill and the United States should build more mental institutions.

Trump said he had been speaking with Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell and many other Republicans about the problem of gun violence, and “they don’t want to have insane people, dangerous people, really bad people having guns.” “We don’t want crazy people owning guns,” the president told reporters in Morristown, New Jersey. “It’s them. They pull the trigger. The gun doesn’t pull the trigger. They pull the trigger. So we have to look very seriously at mental illness.”

The only person that is mentally ill in this story is him. You don't believe me? he is a germaphobe. He has delusions like he could shoot people on 5th ave and get away with it. He has delusions that his inauguration was a big turn out, when camera footage shows it was pretty much empty. He has the delusion that some guy "who by the way is a trump supporter" was too fat, when trump eats mcdonalds all day because he is scared that someone might poison his food. He doesn't want to help the mentally ill, he just wants to lock them up and throw away the key. Well there are An estimated 17.3 million adults in the United States had at least one major depressive episode. He better start making those concentration camps for those 17.3 million people then.

a reply to: ClovenSky

There are certainly no Elastoplasts for life.

But when circumstance, and/or more often than not simple geography, pretty much dictates our existence, and station in life, something is very wrong indeed.

Not suggesting people do not break the mold they are given, change out the cards they are dealt, and better themselves, but they are becoming the exception rather than the rule.

And that in our first-world nations.

The truth of the matter is there is more slavery in this day of age that there was at any other time in history, we just simply choose to ignore the predicament or call it by another name.

And the best slaves, well, the best slaves are the ones who don't even realize that they are such.

You should have seen the reactions I've gotten from telling people I had schizophrenia. I got the illness when I was 20. I didn't ask to get it. I've been living with it for 22 years.

I don't even tell people I have it anymore. People fear what they don't understand. A lot of people have this preconceived notion that everyone with a mental illness is dangerous.

At times I'd like to tell people in hopes that they would be more understanding to what I'm going through.

If something comes up that involves my illness or that I can't do I just tell people I have multiple sclerosis.

At times I feel like a chameleon having to hide my illness.

I was actually fired once because my employer found I had this illness. I worked at that job for 3 years without a problem. I slipped and told a co worker about my illness. Within an hour I was called into my bosses office. He was demanding to know what medications I take. I told him it was none of his business. It hadn't effected my performance up until then so what did it matter. I started reviving write ups for stuff I didn't even do. Then I was fired. The write ups were insurance so I could sue for them discriminating against me for my disability.

I was dating a girl for 3 weeks and I really liked her. I didn't tell her about my illness I wanted her to get to know me first. My aunt worked with her friend and her friend told her I had it. She dumped me because she wanted to have kids some day and she was afraid he kids would get it.

I had to give up working and go on disability. I spent 10 years in the workforce trying to make it but at every turn my illness came back to haunt me. I need medication every day. If I don't get it I get psychosis. Psychosis takes years to recover from because schizophrenia causes brain damage. My medication costs $1000 a month. I need insurance to get my medication. The only way I'm guaranteed to have insurance is on disability.

I'm surviving in the richest country on earth a 3rd world income.

I've never hurt anyone. I smoke like a choo choo train because my nervous system is shattered. I went to the doctor 4 months ago and they found 3 growths in my lungs. I was suppose go see a specialist but I haven't done it.

Today I was sitting on the back porch having a smoke thinking how great it will be when it's all over.

Maybe some day they'll round all us crazies up and put us in camps in the name of pre crime.

originally posted by: wantsome
You should have seen the reactions I've gotten from telling people I had schizophrenia. I got the illness when I was 20. I didn't ask to get it. I've been living with it for 22 years.

I don't even tell people I have it anymore. People fear what they don't understand. A lot of people have this preconceived notion that everyone with a mental illness is dangerous.

At times I'd like to tell people in hopes that they would be more understanding to what I'm going through.

If something comes up that involves my illness or that I can't do I just tell people I have multiple sclerosis.

At times I feel like a chameleon having to hide my illness.

I was actually fired once because my employer found I had this illness. I worked at that job for 3 years without a problem. I slipped and told a co worker about my illness. Within an hour I was called into my bosses office. He was demanding to know what medications I take. I told him it was none of his business. It hadn't effected my performance up until then so what did it matter. I started reviving write ups for stuff I didn't even do. Then I was fired. The write ups were insurance so I could sue for them discriminating against me for my disability.

I was dating a girl for 3 weeks and I really liked her. I didn't tell her about my illness I wanted her to get to know me first. My aunt worked with her friend and her friend told her I had it. She dumped me because she wanted to have kids some day and she was afraid he kids would get it.

I had to give up working and go on disability. I spent 10 years in the workforce trying to make it but at every turn my illness came back to haunt me. I need medication every day. If I don't get it I get psychosis. Psychosis takes years to recover from because schizophrenia causes brain damage. My medication costs $1000 a month. I need insurance to get my medication. The only way I'm guaranteed to have insurance is on disability.

I'm surviving in the richest country on earth a 3rd world income.

I've never hurt anyone. I smoke like a choo choo train because my nervous system is shattered. I went to the doctor 4 months ago and they found 3 growths in my lungs. I was suppose go see a specialist but I haven't done it.

Today I was sitting on the back porch having a smoke thinking how great it will be when it's all over.

Maybe some day they'll round all us crazies up and put us in camps in the name of pre crime.

I feel your pain bro and you're not alone. I been living bipolar for almost a decade already. People tend to treat you like glass sometimes. Like you break so easy. They don't believe in the things you can do. That makes it hard for YOURSELF to believe you can do it. Just like you i take meds and see a doctor regularly. Meds and doctor visits are expensive and I'm not rich. Work has been hard for me just like you, especially once they find out your mental illness. People hear the word mental illness, and automatically think of spree shooters or serial killers or something. It just freaks normal folks out, til they learn more about it and understand it better. Some people don't even bother making the effort at all. Really I know it isn't easy, but with meds and routine and doctor visits I'm sure you can be happy again and live normally. Maybe not as normal as you once were, but still find the little bits of happiness in life. I wish the best for you friend. It's not often I run across people who understand our fate.

originally posted by: Nemox42

originally posted by: wantsome
You should have seen the reactions I've gotten from telling people I had schizophrenia. I got the illness when I was 20. I didn't ask to get it. I've been living with it for 22 years.

I don't even tell people I have it anymore. People fear what they don't understand. A lot of people have this preconceived notion that everyone with a mental illness is dangerous.

At times I'd like to tell people in hopes that they would be more understanding to what I'm going through.

If something comes up that involves my illness or that I can't do I just tell people I have multiple sclerosis.

At times I feel like a chameleon having to hide my illness.

I was actually fired once because my employer found I had this illness. I worked at that job for 3 years without a problem. I slipped and told a co worker about my illness. Within an hour I was called into my bosses office. He was demanding to know what medications I take. I told him it was none of his business. It hadn't effected my performance up until then so what did it matter. I started reviving write ups for stuff I didn't even do. Then I was fired. The write ups were insurance so I could sue for them discriminating against me for my disability.

I was dating a girl for 3 weeks and I really liked her. I didn't tell her about my illness I wanted her to get to know me first. My aunt worked with her friend and her friend told her I had it. She dumped me because she wanted to have kids some day and she was afraid he kids would get it.

I had to give up working and go on disability. I spent 10 years in the workforce trying to make it but at every turn my illness came back to haunt me. I need medication every day. If I don't get it I get psychosis. Psychosis takes years to recover from because schizophrenia causes brain damage. My medication costs $1000 a month. I need insurance to get my medication. The only way I'm guaranteed to have insurance is on disability.

I'm surviving in the richest country on earth a 3rd world income.

I've never hurt anyone. I smoke like a choo choo train because my nervous system is shattered. I went to the doctor 4 months ago and they found 3 growths in my lungs. I was suppose go see a specialist but I haven't done it.

Today I was sitting on the back porch having a smoke thinking how great it will be when it's all over.

Maybe some day they'll round all us crazies up and put us in camps in the name of pre crime.

I feel your pain bro and you're not alone. I been living bipolar for almost a decade already. People tend to treat you like glass sometimes. Like you break so easy. They don't believe in the things you can do. That makes it hard for YOURSELF to believe you can do it. Just like you i take meds and see a doctor regularly. Meds and doctor visits are expensive and I'm not rich. Work has been hard for me just like you, especially once they find out your mental illness. People hear the word mental illness, and automatically think of spree shooters or serial killers or something. It just freaks normal folks out, til they learn more about it and understand it better. Some people don't even bother making the effort at all. Really I know it isn't easy, but with meds and routine and doctor visits I'm sure you can be happy again and live normally. Maybe not as normal as you once were, but still find the little bits of happiness in life. I wish the best for you friend. It's not often I run across people who understand our fate.

Thanks for the kind words. I've always tried to keep a positive outlook on life. At age 42 I've come to the conclusion things will never get better. My whole life has culminated up to this point. I've pretty much excepted the fact I probably won't see 45 because of my health. I'm not sad I'm not angry and I have no regrets. I'll just be glad when it's all over. For years I woke up every day thinking it's a new day and a new beginning. I always put the past behind me. I had no power to change the past only the future. Now that I know there's very little left of the future all I can do is embrace what's to come. My grandmother has alzheimers and I take care of her. My mom has lung cancer. My goal is to make it long enough they don't have to bury me first.

originally posted by: wantsome

originally posted by: Nemox42

originally posted by: wantsome
You should have seen the reactions I've gotten from telling people I had schizophrenia. I got the illness when I was 20. I didn't ask to get it. I've been living with it for 22 years.

I don't even tell people I have it anymore. People fear what they don't understand. A lot of people have this preconceived notion that everyone with a mental illness is dangerous.

At times I'd like to tell people in hopes that they would be more understanding to what I'm going through.

If something comes up that involves my illness or that I can't do I just tell people I have multiple sclerosis.

At times I feel like a chameleon having to hide my illness.

I was actually fired once because my employer found I had this illness. I worked at that job for 3 years without a problem. I slipped and told a co worker about my illness. Within an hour I was called into my bosses office. He was demanding to know what medications I take. I told him it was none of his business. It hadn't effected my performance up until then so what did it matter. I started reviving write ups for stuff I didn't even do. Then I was fired. The write ups were insurance so I could sue for them discriminating against me for my disability.

I was dating a girl for 3 weeks and I really liked her. I didn't tell her about my illness I wanted her to get to know me first. My aunt worked with her friend and her friend told her I had it. She dumped me because she wanted to have kids some day and she was afraid he kids would get it.

I had to give up working and go on disability. I spent 10 years in the workforce trying to make it but at every turn my illness came back to haunt me. I need medication every day. If I don't get it I get psychosis. Psychosis takes years to recover from because schizophrenia causes brain damage. My medication costs $1000 a month. I need insurance to get my medication. The only way I'm guaranteed to have insurance is on disability.

I'm surviving in the richest country on earth a 3rd world income.

I've never hurt anyone. I smoke like a choo choo train because my nervous system is shattered. I went to the doctor 4 months ago and they found 3 growths in my lungs. I was suppose go see a specialist but I haven't done it.

Today I was sitting on the back porch having a smoke thinking how great it will be when it's all over.

Maybe some day they'll round all us crazies up and put us in camps in the name of pre crime.

I feel your pain bro and you're not alone. I been living bipolar for almost a decade already. People tend to treat you like glass sometimes. Like you break so easy. They don't believe in the things you can do. That makes it hard for YOURSELF to believe you can do it. Just like you i take meds and see a doctor regularly. Meds and doctor visits are expensive and I'm not rich. Work has been hard for me just like you, especially once they find out your mental illness. People hear the word mental illness, and automatically think of spree shooters or serial killers or something. It just freaks normal folks out, til they learn more about it and understand it better. Some people don't even bother making the effort at all. Really I know it isn't easy, but with meds and routine and doctor visits I'm sure you can be happy again and live normally. Maybe not as normal as you once were, but still find the little bits of happiness in life. I wish the best for you friend. It's not often I run across people who understand our fate.

Thanks for the kind words. I've always tried to keep a positive outlook on life. At age 42 I've come to the conclusion things will never get better. My whole life has culminated up to this point. I've pretty much excepted the fact I probably won't see 45 because of my health. I'm not sad I'm not angry and I have no regrets. I'll just be glad when it's all over. For years I woke up every day thinking it's a new day and a new beginning. I always put the past behind me. I had no power to change the past only the future. Now that I know there's very little left of the future all I can do is embrace what's to come. My grandmother has alzheimers and I take care of her. My mom has lung cancer. My goal is to make it long enough they don't have to bury me first.

A wise person once told me. Even the lowly ant will try to dodge your foot if you try to step on it. I say keep that head held up high. Strive everyday to be better, I know life is hard and sometimes just sucks so hard. But that's the cards we are dealt with sometimes. All we can do is make the best of it and keep trying even though it seems useless and hopeless to even bother trying. I feel you brother. I know how taxing it all can be. Sometimes you want to just give up but don't. Keep your head up. Your a good person helping out your nana and mom. This world needs more good because it has plenty of evil. Every day might be a bad or good day for you. It might be mundane or surprises waiting around the corner. Keep your head held high. Maybe you last longer then you ever imagined or find happiness right under your nose.

I'm a little late here, but take it from someone who works on an ambulance full time-

Our psych units and psych hospitals are OVER STUFFED. When a patient is transferred out of an ED and to a psych unit or hospital, the way its decided what hospital he goes to is literally which one has an open bed.

There are many more patients than doctors. And it's getting worse every day. We need more units, hospitals, doctors, nurses, funding.

Didn't he changed the law a while ago to allow mentally ill to posess the guns? oO

originally posted by: Iconic
I'm a little late here, but take it from someone who works on an ambulance full time-

Our psych units and psych hospitals are OVER STUFFED. When a patient is transferred out of an ED and to a psych unit or hospital, the way its decided what hospital he goes to is literally which one has an open bed.

There are many more patients than doctors. And it's getting worse every day. We need more units, hospitals, doctors, nurses, funding.

You are dead right on target. We need to spend more medical technology and treatment, then making more guns. We spend so much money on our military budget yet there barely any money for quality of life. Then people shove this in corner, til someone shoots up a place and blames it on mental illness. They did a study that said that people with mental illness are MORE likely to hurt themselves then hurt others statistically. But thank you MR EMT. You one of the real heroes in the world. You help save lives. I just wish sometimes heroes like you weren't tied down by the system.

You have to admit till they started closing them down and mainstreaming all kinds of people with issues we didn't have hardly any mass shootings. Does Russia have a mass an issue does China??

a reply to: TGunner

I have a conspiracy theory that these mass shooters are being recruited by some kind of terrorist network and then being triggered by operatives in this terrorist network to hit soft targets and demoralize society.

I guess it is similar to suicide bombings.

In the case of suicide bombers, it is often said the bombers believe they will be rewarded in heaven.

I wonder if these mass shooters believe in the after life...

And I wonder, if these shooters instead believed YOLO, they would be so inclined to murder people, annihilating their existence absolutely.

"Didn't he changed..." Please, for the love of GOD, for the love of all that's holy, STOP typing like this. Its one of the worst spelling trends I've EVER seen. I'm not buying auto correct. Call me a spelling nazi. I dont care. Just please please stop making this error.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
What a dumb idea on Trump's part. I don't see anyone trying to claim that a lack of mental health facilities is what is causing these mass shootings. And even if that was the case it does nothing to change the fact that the process to have someone involuntarily committed is extremely difficult.

So even if we spend the money to build the facilities how exactly does Trump propose we get these people into them before they shoot up a public place?

Excellent point and question. I think at the application stage the applicant's friends, family, coworkers etc. should also be questioned as to whether or not any issues have arisen. Didn't the mother of one of the shooters call police before her son went on his killing spree?

a reply to: mekhanics

Going by your rather clever skin colour chart, I would say all colours are capable of being classed as mentally ill in one way or another, i mean reading a book that's hundreds of years old about a fictional god, that tells you to kill others because they don't believe in this make believe god.
Then processing it with their minds as acceptable and applicable in modern society?
I would say that's pretty delusional.

a reply to: TGunner

Trump shamelessly plays the blame game.

I once had a boss that told us, "That comes full circle"