Trump blames mass shootings on mentally ill, calls for more mental institutions

a reply to: InTheLight

Well, there is plenty of domestic violence doing the rounds in Glasgow(UK), mass shootings not so much.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: InTheLight

Well, there is plenty of domestic violence doing the rounds in Glasgow(UK), mass shootings not so much.

Of course not, Glasgow (UK) does not have the history nor entitlement issue of gun ownership.

The Small Arms Survey stated that U.S. civilians alone account for 393 million (about 46 percent) of the worldwide total of civilian held firearms. This amounts to "120.5 firearms for every 100 residents."

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originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: InTheLight

Even then, you still have to prove dangerousness in a court of law. Something that is notoriously hard to do.

Besides, at that point aren't you just taking Red Flag laws to 11? Instead of forfeiting your guns because your friends, families, and neighbors have said your dangerous you're now being committed and forfeiting all your civil rights.

How is that a reasonable solution?

Because there is a link between mass shooters and domestic violence and everyone needs to step up to be part of the solution.

And when it comes to shootings and people with a history of violence, family members are disproportionately at risk. Everytown found that between 2009 – 2016, 54% of mass shootings involved the murder of an intimate partner or family member. Recognizing that intimate partner violence is a red flag for future violent behavior, many legislators have stepped up in a major way to stop the sale of guns to former abusers.

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“I’m getting dressed, and I’m listening to the news. And when they said the Air Force did not inform law enforcement that he had a domestic abuse connection?” she said. “My neck turned around like that woman in ‘The Exorcist.’ That was like me.”


To the rest of America, she wants people to listen and to see the connection.

“Every time we talk about in gun violence, it’s steeped in emotion by people who don’t want anyone to take their guns away,” she said. “It seems that mass shootings are a way of life in America today. So why don’t we put the gun emotions aside and address it from a domestic violence position?”

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Watching CNN now, three potential shooters stopped by people red flagging them to police.

a reply to: InTheLight

So if I'm a disgruntled lover or an angry neighbor and I claim you're violent you should be committed?

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: InTheLight

So if I'm a disgruntled lover or an angry neighbor and I claim you're violent you should be committed?

The police should look into the situation, do you not agree?

a reply to: InTheLight

You would be surprised at the number of illegal firearms doing the rounds these days.

But your are kind of correct, we don't have guns in our towns and streets in the same manner nor numbers that our American cousins do, hence we don't have the problems associated with such.

Plenty of domestic violence and nonsensical violent crime yet very little occurrences of mass shootings, go figure?

a reply to: InTheLight

Would you agree that if they find any hint of support for the claims made against you they should be able to take your guns and remove your right to own any in the future?

Guess what? The testimony of friends and family already play a large role in committing someone involuntarily. In fact that is generally the impetus for such hearings. But even then proving dangerousness is very difficult.

Trump made it easier for mentally ill people to legally get guns.

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# bring back State Hospitals and take all these people off the street and out of prison.

Well... are you going to blame the guns? Of course not. How many people are killed by cars? Are you going to blame the cars and should they be outlawed? Of course not.

Dems want to take away our guns to easily control the masses and they use mass gun shootings as an excuse for this.

a reply to: jseeley

So instead we should take away all of a person's rights using the same criteria that the Dems want to use to take away one?

Just wondering..

People wouldn't doubt much, if they were told that someone's mind was totally changed by a cult. Those same people understand that schools are places, which are designed to produce certain kind of individuals. There are coaches, who aid others to reprogram their mind. Thus it could be said that brain/mind is generally known so well that behaviour and thinking processes of an individual can be changed by following certain procedures systemically.

If nobody mentions anything that is even remotely related to reprogramming someone's mind, when discussion is about mass shootings and mental health, but they would still be ready to believe in a cult effect without further explanations, could it simply mean that they don't have simple enough concepts to use in a discussion? School, cult and coaching are kind of simple concepts, because everyone kind of readily understands them and is able to explain basics about them to someone else, but to reprogram someone's mind surreptitiously.. they wouldn't know what to say about such. It is something that wouldn't need to happen in a room or in certain place, but more like everywhere, over a multitude of years. Slowly, but rather surely, without requiring the target person to be compliant.

Actually.. the word "reprogramming" itself isn't very good as it doesn't extend to refer also the possible metabolic and hormonal changes that might be going inside a person and which might also have some affect to person's thinking and behaviour. Those changes might be caused by a learned behaviour related to what to eat. Even when that someone thinks he is eating healthy, flaws in his thinking in that area might actually be caused by those same people, who aim to make him "a bit crazy".

Certainly there must be lots of ideas, notions, concepts, schemas etc. that could be used to explain how a person could be reprogrammed to do things that he wouldn't otherwise do, but in addition to the lack of mentions in the news, could something inhibit them from coming to one's consciousness in many occasions? Certainly something exogenously originated is able to inhibit healthy thinking coming to the consciousness of a target person.

I might be saying that using medical terms like "schizoaffective disorder" is for stupid people.

originally posted by: Lysergic
# bring back State Hospitals and take all these people off the street and out of prison.

Oh, that's not what Saint Reagan would like at all.

Trump blames mass shootings on mentally ill, calls for more mental institutions

Just as bad as blaming objects.

Unless you screen every single person for what they MIGHT do.

It wouldn't change a thing.

a reply to: neo96

For once we agree on something.

originally posted by: TGunner
He's right, there are too many crazies with guns so why penalize the sane gun owners for the sake of the few? This is about logic, but not just logic, there are other factors too that need looking at like easily gotten perscription drugs sometimes given by fake doctors, and sometimes the cause of MI as much as for it. Look at London they're taking knives away from people but they are penalizing the sane ones too, that includes online purchasing.

MORRISTOWN, New Jersey: President Donald Trump said on Thursday he supports meaningful background checks for gun buyers, but he said that those responsible for recent mass shootings were mentally ill and the United States should build more mental institutions.

Trump said he had been speaking with Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell and many other Republicans about the problem of gun violence, and “they don’t want to have insane people, dangerous people, really bad people having guns.” “We don’t want crazy people owning guns,” the president told reporters in Morristown, New Jersey. “It’s them. They pull the trigger. The gun doesn’t pull the trigger. They pull the trigger. So we have to look very seriously at mental illness.”

I wonder how long it will be before the democrats declare that being white and conservative is a mental health issue and start committing republicans who speak out against them?

They're already trying to criminalize being white and conservative by declaring it to be racist.

It was painful watching Trump trying to discuss the mental hospital closures in relation to shootings. I mean Trump doesn't have a clue. After Jimmy Carter granted more funding for mental hospital care, Reagan and his group had to come along and stop all that. No more funding yeah, as a matter of fact let's just start closing them down. We watched in our city as they release nearly 100 mental health patients that had not seen daylight outside of the institution in 20 years or more, literally walk outside the gates and start their new life. They're still closing them down. One would think it would be pertinent for the president to be knowledgeable on this before speaking of it.

a reply to: TGunner

he is absolutely right, the solution to crazy homicidal maniacs is not to pass laws to try to take away their legal guns and then send them on their way, the solution to someone too crazy to own legal guns is to keep that person in a mental institution where they are not a danger to themselves or others. If someone is too crazy to own guns then they are too crazy to be loose in society.

a reply to: MayRenee

Of course Reagan's "group" was Ted Kennedy and the Democrats, closing down mental hospitals was a popular bipartisan effort at the time. Democrats don't want people locked up in institutions and republicans don't want to pay for it and the drug companies told them their drugs could achieve both goals.

a reply to: neo96

Seems like in almost all of these cases it was not a person that no one expected, it is a person everyone expected to do it. People called law enforcement about Nick Cruz more than 45 times, he was crazy and should have been committed so he couldn't harm himself or others.