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Migrant ship heads for Italy's waters after judge overrules Salvini

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posted on Aug, 15 2019 @ 06:25 PM
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a reply to: Irishhaf

If the leftists in Italy succeed in opening the ports as punhinment I have a feeling that is the only opition that the Lega party could go with.
Sending as many migrants near to the German borders.




posted on Aug, 15 2019 @ 06:41 PM
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originally posted by: ChefFox
a reply to: ArMaP

But in general Libyans aren't Africans/African.

Could you explain what you mean by that? How can someone from Africa not be African?

Thanks in advance.



posted on Aug, 15 2019 @ 06:46 PM
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A useless P.O.S. would be a a better description for the leftist judge



posted on Aug, 15 2019 @ 07:52 PM
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originally posted by: ArMaP

originally posted by: ChefFox
a reply to: ArMaP

But in general Libyans aren't Africans/African.

Could you explain what you mean by that? How can someone from Africa not be African?

Thanks in advance.


Ummm, most of North Africa is Arabic due to Muslim expansion in the Past. There is a marked difference in general populations by genetics with North Africa and Sub Saharan Africa.
Most North Africans are recent arrivals historically speaking in the long view.



posted on Aug, 15 2019 @ 08:17 PM
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originally posted by: pavil
Ummm, most of North Africa is Arabic due to Muslim expansion in the Past.

No, there's an Arabic influence, but most people in North Africa are of Berber descent.



posted on Aug, 15 2019 @ 08:36 PM
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a reply to: ArMaP

There is a distinct difference between North Africa and Sub Saharan Africa. The Berbers were assimilated by the Arab Invasions of the late 600's.



posted on Aug, 15 2019 @ 09:15 PM
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Just a small update in Italian.
Open Arms, 5 migranti fatti sbarcare “per motivi psicologici”

Open Arms: Around five migrants were landed in Italy "for psychological reasons"

NGOs like Open Arms always use the excuse of either medical reasons or psychological. Noticed in the picture at the article? none of them are children all look like young adults.



posted on Aug, 15 2019 @ 09:41 PM
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Wasn't the govt. supposed to be already no-confidenced by now ? Bluffy bluffy ...



posted on Aug, 15 2019 @ 10:11 PM
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a reply to: Flanker86

One thing is clear there is no way that the Italian liberals will get back into power like this. Not to mention the Italian DP party has being accused of brainwashing and exploiting children at a social care center along with a leftist mayor that has being arrested.

This really doesn't help their image when considering majority of Italians are still against open borders I don't see that changing not sure why the leftists there in Italy believe that its going change.

They even tried to accuse the Lega party leader of being a Russian puppet and as far as a kidnapper for not allowing migrants to land even more. You could easily who wants this human trafficking business to spread more.
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posted on Aug, 16 2019 @ 08:09 AM
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originally posted by: pavil
There is a distinct difference between North Africa and Sub Saharan Africa.

Yes.


The Berbers were assimilated by the Arab Invasions of the late 600's.

No, like in most cases like that they mixed, but the main racial features of most North African people are Berber, not Arab.

Also, all that is irrelevant, as race shouldn't make a difference when someone wants to migrate to another country, or do you think it should?



posted on Aug, 16 2019 @ 02:43 PM
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a reply to: ArMaP

As long legit migrants are migrating for legit reasons I would have no issues with but what is happening in Italy and Europe is rather far different. Libya is still being used as a excuse for many of these Sub Saharan African migrants when considering they aren't part of the Libyan population.

These politicians and NGOs want these landings to be endless and open with no one being allowed to challenge the landings like when this was happening for 4 years in Italy before the Lega took over.
They also want to give these migrants human rights even if they do commit a crime.



posted on Aug, 16 2019 @ 03:54 PM
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originally posted by: ChefFox
Libya is still being used as a excuse for many of these Sub Saharan African migrants when considering they aren't part of the Libyan population.

What do you mean by Libya being used as an excuse?


They also want to give these migrants human rights even if they do commit a crime.

Every human has human rights, regardless of what they are or what they do or have done.
Even criminals have human rights. In Portugal, the only right a criminal loses temporally is freedom, all other rights remain.

PS: The Portuguese Interior Minister has confirmed that 10 migrants from that ship will come to Portugal.



posted on Aug, 16 2019 @ 03:58 PM
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What do you mean by Libya being used as an excuse?

Because MSM outlets had countless of times before used Sub Saharan African migrants to portray them as Syrian Migrants as much as back in 2018/2017 in some several articles.

Now MSM are portraying many of these Sub Saharan African migrants as actual "Libyan Migrants, fleeing Libya and Libyan torturers"




Even criminals have human rights. In Portugal, the only right a criminal loses temporally is freedom, all other rights remain.

By your logic, criminals should have human rights but no justice for their victims?



posted on Aug, 16 2019 @ 04:15 PM
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a reply to: ArMaP

PS: The Portuguese Interior Minister has confirmed that 10 migrants from that ship will come to Portugal.


Why not all of them?



posted on Aug, 16 2019 @ 11:10 PM
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a reply to: pavil

Because a deal "Secret Deal" Calls Italy to be the center of the landings.



posted on Aug, 17 2019 @ 06:35 AM
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originally posted by: ChefFox
Now MSM are portraying many of these Sub Saharan African migrants as actual "Libyan Migrants, fleeing Libya and Libyan torturers"

I don't know what MSM you watch or read, I have never seen that.
If they were considered Libyans fleeing Libya and Libyan torturers they would be considered refugees, not migrants.



By your logic, criminals should have human rights but no justice for their victims?

Obviously not, both things are not mutually exclusive.

Where did you get that idea from?



posted on Aug, 17 2019 @ 06:38 AM
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originally posted by: pavil
Why not all of them?

I don't know, but Portugal is a small country, six times smaller than Italy in population.

We have had cases of refugees coming to Portugal and trying to leave to another country because we are too poor.



posted on Aug, 17 2019 @ 06:39 AM
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originally posted by: ChefFox
a reply to: pavil

Because a deal "Secret Deal" Calls Italy to be the center of the landings.

For what reason?



posted on Aug, 19 2019 @ 11:01 AM
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originally posted by: ArMaP

originally posted by: pavil
Why not all of them?

I don't know, but Portugal is a small country, six times smaller than Italy in population.

We have had cases of refugees coming to Portugal and trying to leave to another country because we are too poor.


No offense but then they aren't really refugees. I've been to Portugal, there is no way a true refugee wouldn't want to live there. Compared to Sub Saharan Africa, Portugal is heaven.

You are proving the point that these people aren't refugees fleeing death. Economic Migrants are not Refugees.

If you don't want to take people when they just crash your borders, you can. There are ways to Immigrate legally.
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posted on Aug, 19 2019 @ 02:22 PM
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originally posted by: pavil
You are proving the point that these people aren't refugees fleeing death.

In the case I read about they had refugee status, as they were from Afghanistan, but apparently they feel entitled to better conditions than the poor Europeans.

I don't have any problem receiving refugees, but if they don't like what we have to offer then can go back to where they came from.



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