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Ah yes, the libertarian approach to all things. What a load of crap. How do you feel about soldiers getting injured in combat? By your logic, they shouldn't be compensated by the military, they should just be able to go to the Wounded Warrior Project where they will receive a bag of swag with their logo on it and not much else.
Yes, it's theater. Which has people talking, which has people demanding action from congress, which is THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
These people were literally thrust into combat on September 11th, 2001 and NONE OF THEM WERE COMBATANTS. They responded anyway.
Your stance, even on its face is bull#. They responded to an attack on our country. Is that not enough, in your eyes, to provide compensation for their injuries and illnesses?
That's the point I'm trying to make. You expect things.
There is nothing stopping you and the rest of the country from "chipping in a little".
originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: TheSteppenwolf
That's the point I'm trying to make. You expect things.
I expect my employees to be taken care of if they are injured in the line of duty, and I have no shame in that.
There is nothing stopping you and the rest of the country from "chipping in a little".
I do, they're called taxes. And while I don't believe in hand outs, soldiers and first responders aren't asking for that.
Edit: there is irony in your viewpoint IMO though, you expect those who serve their country fend for themselves if they get injured in the line of duty. Is that not just benefiting from the spoils without being obligated to pay your part towards that service?
If you joined the military without knowing whether you'd be compensated for injuries that is your own problem.
Look at the countless and underfunded charities and volunteers. That's all you dependents can do is make demands while those who act have been doing so for decades, with or without your help.
originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: TheSteppenwolf
If you joined the military without knowing whether you'd be compensated for injuries that is your own problem.
Nice strawman, but not even in the ballpark of the same argument.
Look at the countless and underfunded charities and volunteers. That's all you dependents can do is make demands while those who act have been doing so for decades, with or without your help.
Still haven't addressed any points. Just more BS and name-calling.
Again that's my point. We expect others to take care us, but refuse to take care of anyone ourselves.
originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: TheSteppenwolf
Again that's my point. We expect others to take care us, but refuse to take care of anyone ourselves.
That's a weird point to have. I don't think anyone has talked about asking for anything for us normal folk. I've been employed since I was 14, I've had health insurance most of that time through my employers whom I provide services for. I don't take or ask for handouts.
This isn't about me or you. It's about employees who got injured performing their job functions, it's common expectations if you get injured in the line of work, the employer picks up that tab.
You're reaching long and far to double down on your "point". Your point seems to be that our employees should be in limbo and rely on some optional charity from citizens, which would be an optional tax as it's going towards a government function.
My point is that we would do better if we helped each other, if we acted instead of played the activist.
originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: TheSteppenwolf
My point is that we would do better if we helped each other, if we acted instead of played the activist.
Same thing.
They should use the already sourced tax money. You're right, they blow a lot of it, and they can take it from some dumb program for all I care.
But advocating the government shouldn't foot the bill for something they should already do with our money they already have leaving citizens to donate means extra money out of the citizens pockets.
Essentially an added tax.
We're not trying to reform the first responder system, we're saying on one day our nation was attacked... So that made that localities first responders a national concern. We're not advocating that every first responder gets health bills paid for life by the federal government... We're saying we have an anomaly here, and it shouldn't be too hard to address it.
People do, and have been doing so for decades now. Why won't you join them?
originally posted by: TheSteppenwolf
If it is a national concern then why doesn't Stewart and others like him go give their...time...
The government spent 6~ trillion on wars post 9/11 as a reaction to 2 thousand plus people dying. I think they can allocate a few million to make a fund so the responders dealing with the ramifications of that day don't have to worry about medical bills.
I think our hypocrisy is deafening we're willing to spend trillions of dollars and sacrifice more lives than the initial attack, and also let those who are still suffering from their sacrifices kick rocks.
originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: TheSteppenwolf
People do, and have been doing so for decades now. Why won't you join them?
You're operating under the assumption that I haven't already, I have though it was a modest within my means amount, and I like that other people have too, and it's a great show of our nations generosity when we come together and help one another.
But these people shouldn't have to worry about if that will sustain. The government spent 6~ trillion on wars post 9/11 as a reaction to 2 thousand plus people dying. I think they can allocate a few million to make a fund so the responders dealing with the ramifications of that day don't have to worry about medical bills.
I think our hypocrisy is deafening we're willing to spend trillions of dollars and sacrifice more lives than the initial attack, and also let those who are still suffering from their sacrifices kick rocks.
I also find it's usually the pro war crowd complaining about what tax money goes to, but they don't complain about the cost of war.
originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: TheSteppenwolf
My position is perfectly defensible.
You position is calling them beggars and name-calling those who disagree.
Right out of a certain playbook that you would otherwise criticize as being "left".