Venezuela at a breaking point?

a reply to: Xtrozero

A hypothetical question

If their economy was a capitalist one would they be in the same situation right now?

Or are they only in this situation because they attempted socialism as their main economic driving force? Remember they have some pretty hefty sanctions on them and a bad leader.

originally posted by: AtlasHawk
a reply to: Propagandalf

don't be naive you think the US really cares about the Venezuelan people? they only care about the Oil there not the people look at whats happening in Syria.

America would gladly hand over the Kurds to the Turks.

Don't pretend you know the thoughts and intentions of others when you have no evidence. It's unbecoming.

a reply to: Propagandalf

There’s plenty evidence. There’s sanctions, which are destructive to economies, an act of war, and mostly harm the poorest. We’ve had those on Venezuela for some time. There’s several, very public, attempted coups by the us. There’s a plain record and trail of ngo’s investing millions to foment insurrections and dissent. Not sure what YOU consider evidence, but I imagine it’s “any story that supports your agenda/worldview” but all the things I’ve stated are historical fact, and clear evidence of us meddling in another country. I expect soon it will be boots on the ground in a proxy war from the us via Columbia and Brazil.

Your nation kills people and governments for profit. End the denial and accept the historical truth.

originally posted by: pexx421
a reply to: Propagandalf

There’s plenty evidence. There’s sanctions, which are destructive to economies, an act of war, and mostly harm the poorest. We’ve had those on Venezuela for some time. There’s several, very public, attempted coups by the us. There’s a plain record and trail of ngo’s investing millions to foment insurrections and dissent. Not sure what YOU consider evidence, but I imagine it’s “any story that supports your agenda/worldview” but all the things I’ve stated are historical fact, and clear evidence of us meddling in another country. I expect soon it will be boots on the ground in a proxy war from the us via Columbia and Brazil.

Your nation kills people and governments for profit. End the denial and accept the historical truth.

Meanwhile, the government you tacitly defend, and whose propaganda you spout, oppresses its own people.

a reply to: Propagandalf

How you think it will go down in the USA when it hits home, that is economic collapse?

Everyone going to get a cookie who is good?

We are talking about a country that forced people to go kill...Vietnam war vs a country who was helping it's people before the getting destabilized for not going along with the empire...evil empire.

Talk about tyrants and dictators.

originally posted by: dojozen
a reply to: Propagandalf

How you think it will go down in the USA when it hits home...talking about a country that forced people to go kill...Vietnam war..

Talk about tyrants and dictators.

Sure, let's talk about tyrants and dictators. The only ones in the world who say Venezuala's government is legitimate are China, Cuba, Iran and Russia.

a reply to: strongfp

if the economy was not a problem in V., the only one's who would be complaining, would be the capitalist/corporations.

a reply to: Propagandalf

What countries are getting funded to oppose the V. regime and go along with EU/US..
.name 1 country who says that, and not getting usa aid or funding from IMF or central banks

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: Xtrozero

A hypothetical question

If their economy was a capitalist one would they be in the same situation right now?

Or are they only in this situation because they attempted socialism as their main economic driving force? Remember they have some pretty hefty sanctions on them and a bad leader.

It is hard to say. They have a population of 30 million with a large percentage of that working age and more oil than Saudi, so a good socialized system might be their best bet. Farmer socialism maybe not... To be honest I think capitalism works best in a consumer society, and I don't see them as that. They screwed up on many levels to get where they are today to include the US poking them too. If they did something like Belize they might be one of the best places to live...

originally posted by: dojozen
a reply to: Propagandalf

the rest must be getting funded to go along with it...name a country who says that, and not getting usa aid?

Not a strand of chewing gum can connect the dots you're trying to connect.

originally posted by: dojozen

the rest must be getting funded to go along with it...name a country who says that, and not getting usa aid?

Or just maybe the majority of Venezuala's problems are self induced with even the US involvement as being reactionary to them screwing up on a grand scale. Well unless you are suggesting something like we flew spec ops mission to dump billions of their paper money from C-130s to hyper inflate their system, as one example.

a reply to: Propagandalf

rephrased it for you.

Name 1 country who opposes V. Government who is not on the take and getting paid.

originally posted by: dojozen
a reply to: Propagandalf

rephrased it for you.

Name 1 country who opposes V. Government who is not on the take and getting paid.

Venezuala

a reply to: Xtrozero

Did Nicaragua claim it was illegitimate?

That would make 5 that support V., if so, as you seem to have left them out your statistics .

a reply to: Propagandalf

only reason, is because of the destabilization and USA role... no one was complaining in V. before when the price of oil was over $100 a barrel...

think there was growing support in latin america for V. then, no one complained.

originally posted by: dojozen
a reply to: Propagandalf

only reason, is because of the destabilization and USA role... no one was complaining in V. before when the price of oil was over $100 a barrel...

think there was growing support in latin america for V. then, no one complained.

That's not true.

Bolivairan Diaspora

That includes statistics of people leaving because of the crisis due to the drop in the price of oil...that was 93% of V's export...
Sure the result of privatization was the trigger, though got to look at who helped and had financial motive and incentives the most and posed to steal all the oil now.

Who was it that cause the water riots in bolivia or was that peru...Halliburton,

Not political dissidents...well maybe the one's who were involved with the corporations, can see them needing to high tale it out of there.

By 2018, about four million Venezuelans – more than 10 percent of the country's population – had emigrated since the revolution began in 1999.

Halliburton stayed and remained in business in V. through all of this while able to get the oil from V. buddy, Iraq...if the USA had not had that oil, it would have been worse than the gas crisis in the 70's and shortages and price hikes would have created massive civil unrest in the USA, worse than in V. now if it had not stole the oil from Iraq to sustain it's appetite.

Think it is safe to bet, the USA will invade V. shortly, because it is hungry for oil.

Already claiming the opposition leader is the president now...
a reply to: Propagandalf

originally posted by: dojozen
That includes statistics of people leaving because of the crisis due to the drop in the price of oil...

Not political dissidents...well maybe the one's who were involved with the corporations, can see them needing to high tale it out of there.

By 2018, about four million Venezuelans – more than 10 percent of the country's population – had emigrated since the revolution began in 1999.

Halliburton stayed amd remained in business in V. through all of this while able to get the oil from V. buddy, Iraq...if the USA had not had that oil, it would have been worse than the gas crisis in the 70's and shortages and price hikes would have created massive civil unrest in the USA, worse than in V. now if it had not stole the oil from Iraq to sustain it's appetite.
a reply to: Propagandalf

Actually, they fled due to crime rates, the economy and political repression.

And by the way, as of December, the US exports more oil than it ships in. How does that factor into your little conspiracy?

a reply to: Propagandalf

How much did the USA export 20 years ago...
How much oil did it gain from Iraq before now?

The fleeing started after the crash and Bush and Chavez got into it...
Then there was a period of prosperity in V. and none of the latin american countries objected at the OAS or UN then.

Was the US who objected.

Answer to your question, business is good, though ask those who have bad drinking water now and earthquakes, who did not have a problem before fracking...

What is going to happen when it all dries up and have to go invade V.?

Killing and business as usual?

a reply to: dojozen


one reason is maybe more of a sense of urgency is the 14 companies who just got contracts and rights to the oil production

Exclusive: Venezuela signs oil deals similar to ones rolled back under Chavez - document

Quevedo said the plan included 14 companies but that only seven were present that night, without mentioning the names of the other companies.

The deals involve fields including two that were operated by Italy’s Eni (ENI.MI) and France’s Total (TOTF.PA).

The companies that signed agreements include five Venezuelan firms: Petrokariña, Enfriadores de Venezuela C.A., Consorcio Rinoca Centauro Kariña, Well Services Cavallino, and Consorcio Petrolero Tomoporo.

Most of them appear to be involved in oil services but have no evident experience operating fields, which tends to require significantly more capital, human resources and certifications.

The companies either did not respond to requests for comment or do not have sufficient publicly available contact information to make such a request.

The other two are Helios Petroleum Services, a Panamanian company that describes itself as petroleum marketer, and Shandong Kerui Holding Group, a Chinese oilfield equipment manufacturer.
www.reuters.com... CN1LQ2FQ