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Venezuela at a breaking point?

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posted on Jan, 23 2019 @ 02:07 PM
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originally posted by: dojozen
a reply to: Propagandalf

How much did the USA export 20 years ago...
How much oil did it gain from Iraq before now?

The fleeing started after the crash and Bush and Chavez got into it...
Then there was a period of prosperity in V. and none of the latin american countries objected at the OAS or UN then.

Was the US who objected.

Answer to your question, business is good, though ask those who have bad drinking water now and earthquakes, who did not have a problem before fracking...

What is going to happen when it all dries up and have to go invade V.?

Killing and business as usual?


Your little socialist revolution utterly failed like all the rest. Meanwhile, the rest of the world benefits from free market reforms.




posted on Jan, 23 2019 @ 02:09 PM
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a reply to: Propagandalf

How about everyone says Venezuela’s elections are illegitimate except the organization of international observers. Who were actually on the ground during the elections. Who are THE body appointed to oversee whether elections are fair or not. Here is their rebuttal to the UN AND ALL THE OTHERS saying the elections were illegitimate. By parroting the lying narrative you are contributing to spread the mindset that supports illegal wars and anti democratic coups.

“I was a member of a roughly hundred-strong core of observers of the May 20 Venezuelan election. We met senior representatives of all the candidates, and questioned them closely. We met with the president and two vice-presidents of the Supreme Judicial Tribunal. We examined the electoral system in detail and, on election day, observed voting procedures across the country.
We noted, in particular, not only the sophistication of the voting system which, in our collective view, is fraud-proof, but also that every stage, from the vote itself to the collation of returns, their verification and electronic submission, was conducted in the presence of representatives of the contending parties. As for “reporting irregularities”, we would be interested to hear of examples, since the reporting system is exceptionally rigorous and tamper-free. We doubt you have any evidence to back up the EU’s claim of “numerous reporting irregularities”.
We were unanimous in concluding that the elections were conducted fairly, that the election conditions were not biased, that genuine irregularities were exceptionally few and of a very minor nature. There was no vote buying because there is no way that a vote CAN be bought. The procedure itself precludes any possibility of anyone knowing how a voter cast her or his vote; and it is impossible – as we verified – for an individual to vote more than once or for anyone to vote on behalf of someone else.
In short, the claims in your press release are fabrications of the most disgraceful kind, based on hearsay and not on evidence and unworthy of the EU. It has not escaped notice that the EU was invited to send observers to the election and declined to do so. NONE of the criticism in your EU press release is, therefore, based on direct EU observation in the field.
I would be happy to discuss this further with you and to put you or your colleagues in touch with other observers – among whom were senior politicians, academics, election officials, journalists and civil servants from many different nations including: Spain, UK, Northern Ireland, Germany, Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay, Paraguay, Chile, Honduras, Italy, several Caribbean countries, South Africa, Tunisia, China, Russia,and the United States (sic).
Yours sincerely,
Jeremy Fox, journalist / writer
Jospeh Farrell, Board of the Centre for Investigative Journalism
Calvin Tucker, journalist MS
Dr Francisco Dominguez, Latin American Studies, Middlesex University“



posted on Jan, 23 2019 @ 02:11 PM
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a reply to: Propagandalf

How did anything become mine? The US has shown the world more of how not to act, than how to act...

Just look at history.




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posted on Jan, 23 2019 @ 02:16 PM
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When news media blasts lies like this in exact contradiction to what the organizations they set for this very purpose say, and you all buy into it completely......perhaps you should re examine which of your other strongly held beliefs are really just bs indoctrinated to you by those with the agenda for world domination and exploitation.



posted on Jan, 23 2019 @ 02:16 PM
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originally posted by: dojozen
a reply to: Propagandalf

How did anything become mine? The US has shown the world more of how to not to act, than how...

Just look at history.





Because you've resorted to defending dictators and oppression because you don't like the United States.

We're in a time some historians call The Long Peace. The absence of major wars, the precipitous decline in extreme poverty, the rise in global human rights—all of it coincides with the US's rise as the world's greatest super power.



posted on Jan, 23 2019 @ 02:17 PM
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Thanks, had not read that, though know the spin doctors are always trying to pull the wool over everyone's eyes...not surprised at all...

next the US will be saying Madura has chemical weapons of mass destruction and killing newborns in incubators to justify the invasion and occupation...

Where was the US for the last few years while V. starved as a result of it's price fixing of oil.

Did the USA help with any humanitarian aid, send a loaf a bread...anything to help V.

Sure kept buying oil from V. throughout it all, price was right...

Though was there any attempt to help with the crisis,, since V. left the IMF in 2007..





Venezuela quits IMF and World Bank
www.theguardian.com...

Tue 1 May 2007

The Venezuelan president, Hugo Chávez, today severed ties with the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund.

In doing so he distanced Caracas further from what he described as Washington-dominated institutions.





originally posted by: pexx421
a reply to: Propagandalf

How about everyone says Venezuela’s elections are illegitimate except the organization of international observers. Who were actually on the ground during the elections. Who are THE body appointed to oversee whether elections are fair or not. Here is their rebuttal to the UN AND ALL THE OTHERS saying the elections were illegitimate. By parroting the lying narrative you are contributing to spread the mindset that supports illegal wars and anti democratic coups.

“I was a member of a roughly hundred-strong core of observers of the May 20 Venezuelan election. We met senior representatives of all the candidates, and questioned them closely. We met with the president and two vice-presidents of the Supreme Judicial Tribunal. We examined the electoral system in detail and, on election day, observed voting procedures across the country.
We noted, in particular, not only the sophistication of the voting system which, in our collective view, is fraud-proof, but also that every stage, from the vote itself to the collation of returns, their verification and electronic submission, was conducted in the presence of representatives of the contending parties. As for “reporting irregularities”, we would be interested to hear of examples, since the reporting system is exceptionally rigorous and tamper-free. We doubt you have any evidence to back up the EU’s claim of “numerous reporting irregularities”.
We were unanimous in concluding that the elections were conducted fairly, that the election conditions were not biased, that genuine irregularities were exceptionally few and of a very minor nature. There was no vote buying because there is no way that a vote CAN be bought. The procedure itself precludes any possibility of anyone knowing how a voter cast her or his vote; and it is impossible – as we verified – for an individual to vote more than once or for anyone to vote on behalf of someone else.
In short, the claims in your press release are fabrications of the most disgraceful kind, based on hearsay and not on evidence and unworthy of the EU. It has not escaped notice that the EU was invited to send observers to the election and declined to do so. NONE of the criticism in your EU press release is, therefore, based on direct EU observation in the field.
I would be happy to discuss this further with you and to put you or your colleagues in touch with other observers – among whom were senior politicians, academics, election officials, journalists and civil servants from many different nations including: Spain, UK, Northern Ireland, Germany, Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay, Paraguay, Chile, Honduras, Italy, several Caribbean countries, South Africa, Tunisia, China, Russia,and the United States (sic).
Yours sincerely,
Jeremy Fox, journalist / writer
Jospeh Farrell, Board of the Centre for Investigative Journalism
Calvin Tucker, journalist MS
Dr Francisco Dominguez, Latin American Studies, Middlesex University“

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posted on Jan, 23 2019 @ 02:19 PM
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originally posted by: pexx421
When news media blasts lies like this in exact contradiction to what the organizations they set for this very purpose say, and you all buy into it completely......perhaps you should re examine which of your other strongly held beliefs are really just bs indoctrinated to you by those with the agenda for world domination and exploitation.


But you'll spread the exact same propaganda of proven dictators.



posted on Jan, 23 2019 @ 02:20 PM
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a reply to: pexx421




How about everyone says Venezuela’s elections are illegitimate except the organization of international observers.


Never heard of them.



posted on Jan, 23 2019 @ 02:22 PM
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originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan
a reply to: ketsuko

If he & his lackeys GTFO quickly enough.

They need to learn from Muammar Gaddafi.



posted on Jan, 23 2019 @ 02:27 PM
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a reply to: Propagandalf

How many countries did V. attack in the last 20 years and how many bombs has V. dropped?

Only dictator seen in south or central america, are the one's the US helped put in power...Pinochet, Somosa, etc,



posted on Jan, 23 2019 @ 02:27 PM
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originally posted by: pexx421
a reply to: Propagandalf

How about everyone says Venezuela’s elections are illegitimate except the organization of international observers. Who were actually on the ground during the elections. Who are THE body appointed to oversee whether elections are fair or not. Here is their rebuttal to the UN AND ALL THE OTHERS saying the elections were illegitimate. By parroting the lying narrative you are contributing to spread the mindset that supports illegal wars and anti democratic coups.

“I was a member of a roughly hundred-strong core of observers of the May 20 Venezuelan election. We met senior representatives of all the candidates, and questioned them closely. We met with the president and two vice-presidents of the Supreme Judicial Tribunal. We examined the electoral system in detail and, on election day, observed voting procedures across the country.
We noted, in particular, not only the sophistication of the voting system which, in our collective view, is fraud-proof, but also that every stage, from the vote itself to the collation of returns, their verification and electronic submission, was conducted in the presence of representatives of the contending parties. As for “reporting irregularities”, we would be interested to hear of examples, since the reporting system is exceptionally rigorous and tamper-free. We doubt you have any evidence to back up the EU’s claim of “numerous reporting irregularities”.
We were unanimous in concluding that the elections were conducted fairly, that the election conditions were not biased, that genuine irregularities were exceptionally few and of a very minor nature. There was no vote buying because there is no way that a vote CAN be bought. The procedure itself precludes any possibility of anyone knowing how a voter cast her or his vote; and it is impossible – as we verified – for an individual to vote more than once or for anyone to vote on behalf of someone else.
In short, the claims in your press release are fabrications of the most disgraceful kind, based on hearsay and not on evidence and unworthy of the EU. It has not escaped notice that the EU was invited to send observers to the election and declined to do so. NONE of the criticism in your EU press release is, therefore, based on direct EU observation in the field.
I would be happy to discuss this further with you and to put you or your colleagues in touch with other observers – among whom were senior politicians, academics, election officials, journalists and civil servants from many different nations including: Spain, UK, Northern Ireland, Germany, Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay, Paraguay, Chile, Honduras, Italy, several Caribbean countries, South Africa, Tunisia, China, Russia,and the United States (sic).
Yours sincerely,
Jeremy Fox, journalist / writer
Jospeh Farrell, Board of the Centre for Investigative Journalism
Calvin Tucker, journalist MS
Dr Francisco Dominguez, Latin American Studies, Middlesex University“


Oh look, it's co-authored by Calvin Tucker, editor of 21stcenturysocialism.com... 21st century socialism is also what Chavez called his brand of socialism. You fell for Venezuelan propaganda.



posted on Jan, 23 2019 @ 02:31 PM
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originally posted by: dojozen
a reply to: Propagandalf

How many countries did V. attack in the last 20 years and how many bombs has V. dropped?

Only dictator seen in south or central america, are the one's the US helped put in power...Pinochet, Somosa, etc,


The only thing Venezuela bombed is its economy and the living standards of its citizens.



posted on Jan, 23 2019 @ 02:39 PM
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a reply to: Blue Shift





www.pambazuka.org...
Gaddafi was certainly not killed for humanitarian reasons. He wanted to empower Africa. He had a plan to create a new African Union, based on a new African economic system. He wanted to introduce the Gold Dinar to back African currencies, so they could become free from the dollar. He wanted to protect Africa’s vast natural resources from Western looting. The imperialists eliminated him.




www.opec.org...
The Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) was founded in Baghdad, Iraq, with the signing of an agreement in September 1960 by five countries namely Islamic Republic of Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and Venezuela. They were to become the Founder Members of the Organization.





Muammar Gaddafi and his travelling tent


23 September 2009: As the Libyan leader gets a telling-off for pitching his large bedouin tent in a no-camping area north of Manhattan, we look back at some of the marquee's more marvellous voyages


www.theguardian.com...



posted on Jan, 23 2019 @ 02:41 PM
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a reply to: Propagandalf




www.theguardian.com...
The Venezuelan economy has experienced 10 consecutive quarters of sustained high growth. This is due in large part to high public spending and private consumption, fuelled by high oil prices and historically low interest rates.

Those kinds of bombs, the world can live with...
What caused the price of oil to drop from $128 to $28?
Who controls the oil rules?
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posted on Jan, 23 2019 @ 02:49 PM
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originally posted by: dojozen
a reply to: Propagandalf




www.theguardian.com...
The Venezuelan economy has experienced 10 consecutive quarters of sustained high growth. This is due in large part to high public spending and private consumption, fuelled by high oil prices and historically low interest rates.

Those kinds of bombs, the world can live with...
What caused the price of oil to drop from $128 to $28?
Who controls the oil rules?


Tell that to the people eating their own trash just to survive.



posted on Jan, 23 2019 @ 02:49 PM
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a reply to: Propagandalf



21st century socialism is also what Chavez called his brand of socialism. You fell for Venezuelan propaganda.


21st century socialism looks a lot like 20th century socialism.



posted on Jan, 23 2019 @ 02:55 PM
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originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: Propagandalf



21st century socialism is also what Chavez called his brand of socialism. You fell for Venezuelan propaganda.


21st century socialism looks a lot like 20th century socialism.


Different name, same results.



posted on Jan, 23 2019 @ 02:57 PM
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a reply to: Propagandalf

But wait! This is 21st century socialism. Not REAL socialism.

Therefore socialism can't be a failure.

Also, it's someone else's fault.



posted on Jan, 23 2019 @ 03:01 PM
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originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: Propagandalf

But wait! This is 21st century socialism. Not REAL socialism.

Therefore socialism can't be a failure.

Also, it's someone else's fault.





posted on Jan, 23 2019 @ 03:02 PM
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a reply to: projectvxn

you better get down there and start taking over the country, before the commies take over the usa.

Wasn't there an article about a Russian base in Nicaragua to fuel doomsday bombers?







 
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