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In Russia, proposed to break the contract with the United States on Alaska

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posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 03:36 AM
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The world has entered the process of redrawing spheres of influence, and in the new conditions they will have to be defended by force. Michael Pompeo, in his recent speech on the creation of a new world order, stated this absolutely straightforwardly: the United States is about to begin a forceful change in the world order that has emerged following the Second World War.
Russia realized this a long time ago and without fanfare and harsh political statements, and demarches began to form its renewed nuclear missile potential and create a self-sufficient independent economy, which is not afraid of any sanctions. But any forceful transformation process devours its initiators with a funnel of self-expansion. The force of action gives rise to the force of opposition, and the world emerging as a result of the efforts of the United States is unlikely to please the United States itself. It will inevitably consolidate enemies and alienate friends. This is what happens.

Russia has found an asymmetric response to the unilateral rupture of the United States by the main treaties on which world stability has hitherto held. Russia will begin to do the same in relation to the United States, and will use a similar argument. The weakest link in the system of bilateral Russian-American relations is the agreement of March 30, 1867, on the assignment of Alaska for $ 7.2 million. The deal was so opaque and was accompanied by such a huge number of scandals and frauds that any of them could serve as a legitimate reason for declaring the contract null and void. Moreover, the money from the transaction did not reach Russia and the Russian budget was not received. With numerous conversions in Western banks, this amount was significantly shrunk, and gold bought for the remainder in London was allegedly loaded on ship "Orkney" , which sank safely on July 16, 1868 when going to St. Petersburg.

The idea of ​​breaking the Alaska treaty did not arise in Russia now. Back in 2015, the information space of Russia was blown up by the article “Alaskanasha, and no nails!” (Alaska is ours, and no nails!), In which all the frauds that accompanied the deal were described in detail and convincingly. The article received a wide public response and generated a wave of discussions on this topic in Russian society. The topic was so popular that the leading Russian news agency RIA-Novosti published an article in 2014 “The petition for Alaska’s accession to the Russian Federation gained more than 40 thousand votes,” which said that in the United States on the White House’s website there was a petition of Alaska’s accession to Russia Got 40 000 votes of US citizens. Later the petition was removed from the site.

In 2017, the same agency published a detailed article “The history of the sale of Alaska to Russia by the United States in 1867,” which only fueled the interest of the Russians in this topic. And now, after President Trump announced the US withdrawal from the treaty with Russia on medium and shorter range missiles, well-known Russian analyst, historian and politician Nikolai Starikov published an article titled “Exit Alaska Sale Agreement” on the website of the federal news agency RIA FAN. It must be said that Starikov is not a mainstream politician. He is an intellectual, the founder of the patriotic party “The Great Fatherland Party”, not part of the Kremlin pool. His closest friend and associate is a major entrepreneur in the field of information technology, artificial intelligence, software development, project management, the general director of Ashmanov and Partners, the most famous top manager in the field of IT technologies, Igor Ashmanov. Ashmanov is a recognized authority in the field of information technology and information warfare and operations.

Starikov proposes to use mirror arguments, the same that President Trump uses:




- the contract is outdated because it was signed in another geopolitical reality;

- The United States itself is to blame for breaking the contract, which not only constantly violates all the treaties at all, but also violates this particular one (the American side did not fulfill all the terms of the agreement!);

- Russia's withdrawal from this treaty is not directed against the United States, but at expanding Russia's trading opportunities, which would make it more convenient to compete in the trade sphere with China - Russia, as the successor of the USSR, is ready to return to the United States 7 million 200 thousand dollars and, after withdrawing from the cession agreement, return Alaska under its jurisdiction. Especially since there are all legal grounds for this (the agreement states the assignment of territory, but does not say for how long, that is, there is no formula “for all time” traditional for Russian diplomatic treatises);

- being consistent fighters for human rights and protecting the property rights of the heirs of the owners of a Russian-American company that mastered and controlled our overseas territories, the Russian Federation is forced to recognize the agreement with the USA of 1867 as null and void and declare withdrawal from it.


Particular emphasis is placed on the fact that the Alaska agreement is not a sale agreement, but a cession agreement, and its validity period is not specified in the document.

Thus, strictly following the principles and arguments of the Trump administration, Russia begins a geopolitical game according to the new rules set by the American side. Will Trump like it? We'll see.




posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 03:38 AM
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Doubtful, but it's worth a laugh.


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posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 03:49 AM
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a reply to: RussianTroll
Watch out for the Chinese, then, because I believe they want Siberia back.
And the Crimea was actually stolen from Turkey.




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posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 03:51 AM
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a reply to: RussianTroll

Even IF there were gravity to this story its been 150 years meaning this cause being an actual case set sail and sunk generations ago.

Especially just before that this Federal Government demonstrated that even our our member states attempting to secede would be brutally slaughtered in open combat.



posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 03:56 AM
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originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: RussianTroll
Watch out for the Chinese, then, because I believe they want Siberia back.



You don't know the story well. Chinese never lived in Siberia. In the territories adjacent to the Russian Far East, the Manchus lived, who had their own state of Manchukuo. The Han Chinese (92% of all Chinese nations out of 56 official ones) always lived thousands of kilometers to the south. There is no agreement between Russia and China in Siberia



posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 04:05 AM
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originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: RussianTroll

Even IF there were gravity to this story its been 150 years meaning this cause being an actual case set sail and sunk generations ago.

Especially just before that this Federal Government demonstrated that even our our member states attempting to secede would be brutally slaughtered in open combat.


“Do not expect that once taking advantage of Russia’s weakness, you will receive dividends forever. Russians always come for their money. And when they come – do not rely on agreement signed by you, you are supposed to justify. They are not worth the paper it is written. Therefore, with the Russian is to play fair or do not play.”

Otto von Bismarck



posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 04:20 AM
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Oh no, Alaska.

Oh nooooooooooooooooo

Don't let them take the best state of the USA, where temperatures are mild, life feels like a vacation, and families are well fed, thriving, and children play outside year round in fields of daisies.



posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 04:21 AM
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I have a better idea that will save us from ill-conceived Russian nationalists who think Alaska is Russian... Return the territory to the original inhabitants, or give it to Canada.



posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 04:22 AM
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a reply to: RussianTroll

It doesn't matter.
Alaska isn't going anywhere.

Unless you actually believe russia should try to take it by force? That would be amusing.


a reply to: paraphi

Or it just stays as it is.
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posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 05:08 AM
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That is funny.

You must know the US goes to war over oil that isn't even its own, right?

Just imagine the nukes flying over the oil that is.



posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 05:25 AM
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Russia has zero chance of getting Alaska. It is a freaking state. Do you really think there is any chance of Russia prying away Alaska without a full blown war? Never, ever happen.



posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 05:32 AM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Not if it is considered an concession agreement with no termination date set forth...imo

Doubtful it is a cession deal in terminology as written, without reviewing and reading the document...

might be some fine print.


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posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 05:38 AM
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a reply to: RussianTroll

I don't see the Russians making any serious attempt to reclaim Alaska. The conditions that lead them to sell it in the first place still apply.

Isn't this really an attempt to gain leverage over newly opened arctic territories by rekindling old claims. Numerous oil producing regions are now opening up in the arctic territories that were not worth pursuing before. Also we must consider the possibility of the northwest passage opening up and who will have the rights of navigation there.



posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 05:46 AM
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a reply to: toms54

Your reasoning is quite logical. Naturally, the problems of the return of Alaska can not be considered outside the main geopolitical events. And control over the Arctic is strong motivation.



posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 05:59 AM
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Never gonna' happen! EVER!

The World will be a giant orb of shiny glass, completely devoid of even the simplest life form, before that happens!!

You can go to the bank on that!



posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 06:03 AM
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originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
Never gonna' happen! EVER!

The World will be a giant orb of shiny glass, completely devoid of even the simplest life form, before that happens!!

You can go to the bank on that!


The same was said by the inhabitants of many disappeared empires - from the Roman and Byzantine, to the German and the USSR



posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 06:36 AM
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a reply to: RussianTroll

True...but they didn't have nuclear weapons at their disposal.

Right or wrong, modern mankind does!

So, Rome may indeed burn, and oh boy will it!

It will burn so hot it will fuse silica into solid glass.



posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 06:46 AM
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Boarders are immoral

If the Russian migrants getting away from one of the top two most current evil leaders, it’s moral to let them settle in Russia. We as Americans have to give them housing and money, let them get an ID and vote....it’s inky civilized



posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 06:49 AM
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a reply to: Flyingclaydisk


Yes with just the US's stockpile we can do it 4 times over!



posted on Dec, 10 2018 @ 07:01 AM
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