What is Behind the Dramatic Rise in Violent Crime in the UK?

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: Bloodworth

Trust me, if British people had as easy access to guns as Americans do this nation would be awash with dead bodies.

We don't want them....how many times do we have to tell you?

Are you really that arrogant and up your own arse that you really believe you know better than us Brits what is best for this country?

The USA and the UK despite having many similarities are two completely different countries with different cultures and many, many differences.
What is right for one is not necessarily right for the other....and vice versa.

And please don't apply your left/right bollocks to this country....our politicians are amoral, self-centred bastards, but compared to yours........

Who is telling you what's best for your country?

Seems like you are doing what you want and the effects are showing

a reply to: Bloodworth
Oh behave, US members give us # all the time because we don't have the same firearm access.
I prefer it, our nutters use knives and I can grab a barstool or something to defend against that.
How many mass shootings now? I get bored reading them these days.

500 million people in the EU and nowhere near the shootings you have...your nation is a #ing mess and you know it.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: Bloodworth

The quality of a country is judged on its weed?

Wow....I think it'd be more accurate to say your levels of crystal meth and opioid addictions!

Oh, and third world level murder rates.
Ghettoes.
Starving and homeless people.
Zero healthcare.
Crap music.
Armed guards in schools.

I could go on, everyone else will get the point I'm making....I very much doubt you will.

So why does everyone flock there?
Why is it the number 1 go to place?

The way of living in America is far above anything the world has ever seen.

I remember the student being blown away by American supermarkets, the number of choices were overwhelming.

Especially with cereal. You guys got good cereal yet. Lucky charms? Lol

So when did they ditch the weed and tobacco thing.
It was sad because it felt like they were 30 years behind.
America was going into the 90s and England was just getting Into the 80s

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: Bloodworth

The quality of a country is judged on its weed?

Wow....I think it'd be more accurate to say your levels of crystal meth and opioid addictions!

Oh, and third world level murder rates.
Ghettoes.
Starving and homeless people.
Zero healthcare.
Crap music.
Armed guards in schools.

I could go on, everyone else will get the point I'm making....I very much doubt you will.

So why does everyone flock there?
Why is it the number 1 go to place?

The way of living in America is far above anything the world has ever seen.

I remember the student being blown away by American supermarkets, the number of choices were overwhelming.

Especially with cereal. You guys got good cereal yet. Lucky charms? Lol

So when did they ditch the weed and tobacco thing.
It was sad because it felt like they were 30 years behind.
America was going into the 90s and England was just getting Into the 80s

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: Bloodworth

Don't worry....things will only go so far, we are British after all.

As CCG mentioned though, like the prodigal son we'll welcome you back to family fold when the time is right....we'll have to check with Australia, Canada and New Zealand first though....but I'm sure it'll be ok.

It might not be that long away as well....the USA has never been as divided as it is now since your Civil War.

MAGA!

We could let them back, perhaps we need some serious vetting though for the conservatives, and no handouts...

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: Bloodworth
Oh behave, US members give us # all the time because we don't have the same firearm access.
I prefer it, our nutters use knives and I can grab a barstool or something to defend against that.
How many mass shootings now? I get bored reading them these days.

500 million people in the EU and nowhere near the shootings you have...your nation is a #ing mess and you know it.

Lol your crazy man. I like you, but your crazy man.
I bet you do get bored reading them.

Seems like the world is obsessed with American politics and way of life.

Cheers bro

as thread is degenerating into bickering :

lets look at just how idiotic the OP premise is - with hard stats

UK population = 70 million

US population = 320 million

almost all > 95 % of US law enforcement = armed on duty [ firearms ]

< 5% of UK law enforcement is armed on duty .

in 2016 74 US law enforcement died in " firearms incidents " , the stats for 2017 = 62

in 2012 - 3 yes THREE british police were shot dead .

since then - there have been 2 fatal stabing , and one officer beaten to death

so - please - dont try to tell us that " merkins solutions " are the answer

a reply to: Bloodworth

you do realise that this entire thread degereated from a merkin delusion - that armed citizens was the " solution " to UK crime stats - dont you ???

and you talk about obsessed

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
as thread is degenerating into bickering :

lets look at just how idiotic the OP premise is - with hard stats

UK population = 70 million

US population = 320 million

almost all > 95 % of US law enforcement = armed on duty [ firearms ]

< 5% of UK law enforcement is armed on duty .

in 2016 74 US law enforcement died in " firearms incidents " , the stats for 2017 = 62

in 2012 - 3 yes THREE british police were shot dead .

since then - there have been 2 fatal stabing , and one officer beaten to death

so - please - dont try to tell us that " merkins solutions " are the answer

Now break down the population, does American have more people that come from the murder capitals of the world?

a reply to: Bloodworth

as YOU claim that :

" coming from murder capitals " = a significant factor - you do it


ETA - also - please read what i actually wrote - it would help if you understood it

repeat -

the OP claimed that " armed citizens " [ in the UK ] would " solve " crime problems

the USA has an alost totally armed police force - yet 150 of thier number died in fireams incidents in just 2 years

its 5 years since ANY UK police officer died in a firearms incident - and NONE of them were armed

you have to go back over 10 years - to find an armned UK officer fatality

so - please stick to what i wrote - not your deflection

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

We could let them back, but only on the basis that they pay us taxes and get rid of the Presidency, the Senate and their Upper House. You know, taxation without representation.

And they would have to say and spell things properly, like "Aluminium" and "Colour" etc.

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: Bloodworth

as YOU claim that :

" coming from murder capitals " = a significant factor - you do it


ETA - also - please read what i actually wrote - it would help if you understood it

repeat -

the OP claimed that " armed citizens " [ in the UK ] would " solve " crime problems

the USA has an alost totally armed police force - yet 150 of thier number died in fireams incidents in just 2 years

its 5 years since ANY UK police officer died in a firearms incident - and NONE of them were armed

you have to go back over 10 years - to find an armned UK officer fatality

so - please stick to what i wrote - not your deflection

Couldn't follow, but in America there are groups of protesters who chant for the killing of police.

There are certain groups that look at the police as the enemy. These groups are forced to learn to interact with police through out reach programs.

While many other neighborhoods greet police with open arms and not forced.

Different cultures, easy to judge

a reply to: Bloodworth

Do you really swallow that bollocks?

There are as much variety of choice for cereals etc in the UK as there are in the USA.
Same as most first world countries....sure, preferences may differ, but the diversity is there.

As for going to America;
Been all around the world, done and seen things most people can only dream about.

Never been to The States.

UK lagging behind the US?
Only in murder rates, homelessness and poverty.

Most music trends, styles sub-cultures etc in the last 65 years or so originated in the UK.

Most US teenagers even today listen to Lynyrd Skynyrd, Led Zeppelin and maybe Nirvana.....
Or gangsta rap crap.

Oh, you do lead the world in self-centred, egotistical arrogance as well.....but like I said, prodigal son and all that.....you'll always have a place in the family fold.

a reply to: oldcarpy

Seems fair...

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: Freeborn
We should build a Trump style wall around the M25 that would fix most of Britain's problems.
London truly is a cess pit and not representative of the nation in any way.

This is what I think is the plan of the government.... it will be like the film 'escape from new york' as I posted earlier

a reply to: worldstarcountry

POVERTY !

poverty is one of the main reasons why people resort to violence !

a reply to: Bloodworth

nah the world is just depressed with american politics and way of life!

a reply to: worldstarcountry
When it comes to gun laws, most of the rest of the world isn't living in the dark ages of civilization anymore. The US can keep their backwards barbaric uncivilized gun laws on their side of the ocean. The rest of civilization has moved on while the US stays on Pakistani levels when it comes to their views on gun ownership or gun statistics in private circulation.

Violence—Why the Growing Concern: Awake!—1989

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Britain’s Home Secretary expressed his concern, saying: “The peace of our society is now undermined not by foreign threats, but by the appetite for violence of too many of our fellow citizens.”

Not that Britain (with its 17-percent rise in violent crime during a recent 12-month period) is at the top of the list. Far from it. Many other places have higher crime rates. In the first nine months of last year, 10,607 violent crimes​—murder, rape, robbery, and assault—​were committed just on New York City subways! However, researcher Dr. Michael Pratt says there is evidence to support the claims that “the streets of London are becoming like New York.”

Yet, New York is not the worst city for crime. Atlanta, Miami, Detroit, and Chicago are among the eight major U.S. cities that reported more violent crimes per capita in 1987 than New York did. Everywhere, it seems, violence is a growing cause for concern. Psychiatrist Thomas Radecki observed that ‘most Western countries have seen increases in violence rates of from 200 to 500 percent over the past 20 years.’

Violent crimes have also increased elsewhere. ... In the Soviet Union, soccer violence was reported ‘to be sweeping the nation.’ Similarly, China’s Central Committee for Promoting Socialist Ethics spoke out against ‘quarrels, fistfights, and even injuries and deaths during soccer matches.’ The committee lamented: ‘Sports enthusiasts, especially young ones, must be educated to be civilized.’

Clearly, violent crimes are a cause for growing concern. But what is being done to meet the challenge they present?

Violence—Are We Meeting the Challenge? Awake!—1989

a reply to: worldstarcountryShifting demographics. Same reason for more violence in the US than in Canada. Its demographics, you idiots. Gun ownership has nothing to do with it.

originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: Bloodworth

nah the world is just depressed with american politics and way of life!

Yeah, but the world does not really give a toss about either. Us Brits just tend to shake our heads sadly and make "tut-tutting" noises.