A Free Energy Idea

Picture this.
A pancake coil sits atop a large capacitor made of two sheets of aluminium separated by a plastic dialectic. The pancake coil is fed by alternating current.
1. The electric field from the pancake coil charges the capacitor.
2. The current from the collapsing magnetic field of the pancake coil further charges the capacitor.
3. The capacitor discharges into the coil.
4. Go to 1.

This would result in a runaway situation if controls weren't provided.

originally posted by: p75213
Picture this.
A pancake coil sits atop a large capacitor made of two sheets of aluminium separated by a plastic dialectic. The pancake coil is fed by alternating current.
1. The electric field from the pancake coil charges the capacitor.
2. The current from the collapsing magnetic field of the pancake coil further charges the capacitor.
3. The capacitor discharges into the coil.
4. Go to 1.

This would result in a runaway situation if controls weren't provided.

What is feeding the Alternating Current?

a reply to: Forensick

Does it matter?

a reply to: p75213

Yeah. Something has to provide the initial energy. What changes in any of this? You can't flip a switch for this model. What provides, distributes, and recharges the current?

If you are trying to say "wind" or "solar" well those aren't free. IDK why people think they are.

Hey, I also have free gas in my car for about 2 weeks after I fill up!! Yeaaaa!

What about using a ferrite inductor with something like the aluminum cap inside that. IDK if that could be worked in the same manner. I'm not great with electronics but I think they both form an EM field on the collapse/reverse of the current.

originally posted by: Toolman18
a reply to: p75213

Yeah. Something has to provide the initial energy. What changes in any of this? You can't flip a switch for this model. What provides, distributes, and recharges the current?

A battery + inverter would provide the initial current to get it started.

a reply to: p75213

And after that?
You pull energy out of the system by a generator. How does it keep working?

(Generic question for this kind of thread, but it has to be answered)

originally posted by: ManFromEurope
a reply to: p75213

And after that?
You pull energy out of the system by a generator. How does it keep working?

(Generic question for this kind of thread, but it has to be answered)

A coil stores its energy in the magnetic field. However the capacitor is being charged once from the electric field of the coil and again from the magnetic field (current). So the gain is the charge it receives from the electric field.

a reply to: p75213

And that field is being generated by an AC source.

Capacitors are not ideal; meaning that they "leak" whether they have a path or not, all capacitors discharge to zero given enough time.

Your oscillating magnetic field takes an AC source to be produced and it requires one to be maintained.

You'd think that 157 years after Maxwell's equations and 187 years after the invention of the induction motor by Michael Faraday, someone would have found a free energy system you describe..but no...not on ATS. Free energy is discovered all the time on ATS...Must have been missed by all those amateurs so long ago.

Look up Kirchoff's voltage and current laws and then come see me about your "free energy" ideas.

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: p75213

And that field is being generated by an AC source.

Capacitors are not ideal; meaning that they "leak" whether they have a path or not, all capacitors discharge to zero given enough time.

Your oscillating magnetic field takes an AC source to be produced and it requires one to be maintained.

You'd think that 157 years after Maxwell's equations and 187 years after the invention of the induction motor by Michael Faraday, someone would have found a free energy system you describe..but no...not on ATS. Free energy is discovered all the time on ATS...Must have been missed by all those amateurs so long ago.

Look up Kirchoff's voltage and current laws and then come see me about your "free energy" ideas.

The gain is the charge it receives from the electric field

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: p75213

And that field is being generated by an AC source.

Capacitors are not ideal; meaning that they "leak" whether they have a path or not, all capacitors discharge to zero given enough time.

Your oscillating magnetic field takes an AC source to be produced and it requires one to be maintained.

You'd think that 157 years after Maxwell's equations and 187 years after the invention of the induction motor by Michael Faraday, someone would have found a free energy system you describe..but no...not on ATS. Free energy is discovered all the time on ATS...Must have been missed by all those amateurs so long ago.

Look up Kirchoff's voltage and current laws and then come see me about your "free energy" ideas.

The gain is the charge it receives from the electric field

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: p75213

And that field is being generated by an AC source.

Capacitors are not ideal; meaning that they "leak" whether they have a path or not, all capacitors discharge to zero given enough time.

Your oscillating magnetic field takes an AC source to be produced and it requires one to be maintained.

You'd think that 157 years after Maxwell's equations and 187 years after the invention of the induction motor by Michael Faraday, someone would have found a free energy system you describe..but no...not on ATS. Free energy is discovered all the time on ATS...Must have been missed by all those amateurs so long ago.

Look up Kirchoff's voltage and current laws and then come see me about your "free energy" ideas.

The gain is the charge it receives from the electric field

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: p75213

And that field is being generated by an AC source.

Capacitors are not ideal; meaning that they "leak" whether they have a path or not, all capacitors discharge to zero given enough time.

Your oscillating magnetic field takes an AC source to be produced and it requires one to be maintained.

You'd think that 157 years after Maxwell's equations and 187 years after the invention of the induction motor by Michael Faraday, someone would have found a free energy system you describe..but no...not on ATS. Free energy is discovered all the time on ATS...Must have been missed by all those amateurs so long ago.

Look up Kirchoff's voltage and current laws and then come see me about your "free energy" ideas.

The gain is the charge it receives from the electric field

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: p75213

And that field is being generated by an AC source.

Capacitors are not ideal; meaning that they "leak" whether they have a path or not, all capacitors discharge to zero given enough time.

Your oscillating magnetic field takes an AC source to be produced and it requires one to be maintained.

You'd think that 157 years after Maxwell's equations and 187 years after the invention of the induction motor by Michael Faraday, someone would have found a free energy system you describe..but no...not on ATS. Free energy is discovered all the time on ATS...Must have been missed by all those amateurs so long ago.

Look up Kirchoff's voltage and current laws and then come see me about your "free energy" ideas.

The gain is the charge it receives from the electric field

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: p75213

And that field is being generated by an AC source.

Capacitors are not ideal; meaning that they "leak" whether they have a path or not, all capacitors discharge to zero given enough time.

Your oscillating magnetic field takes an AC source to be produced and it requires one to be maintained.

You'd think that 157 years after Maxwell's equations and 187 years after the invention of the induction motor by Michael Faraday, someone would have found a free energy system you describe..but no...not on ATS. Free energy is discovered all the time on ATS...Must have been missed by all those amateurs so long ago.

Look up Kirchoff's voltage and current laws and then come see me about your "free energy" ideas.

The gain is the charge it receives from the electric field

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: p75213

And that field is being generated by an AC source.

Capacitors are not ideal; meaning that they "leak" whether they have a path or not, all capacitors discharge to zero given enough time.

Your oscillating magnetic field takes an AC source to be produced and it requires one to be maintained.

You'd think that 157 years after Maxwell's equations and 187 years after the invention of the induction motor by Michael Faraday, someone would have found a free energy system you describe..but no...not on ATS. Free energy is discovered all the time on ATS...Must have been missed by all those amateurs so long ago.

Look up Kirchoff's voltage and current laws and then come see me about your "free energy" ideas.

The gain is the charge it receives from the electric field

Sorry about that. It wouldn't post so I clicked on it a few more times, then they all posted.

a reply to: p75213
And where does the electric field come from?
You have to insert energy into the system to keep it up.

a reply to: p75213

The gain is the charge it receives from the electric field

Repeating that doesn't make it true.

Please read up on Kirchoff's Voltage and Current Laws to understand why what you're saying makes no sense at all.

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: p75213

The gain is the charge it receives from the electric field

Repeating that doesn't make it true.

Please read up on Kirchoff's Voltage and Current Laws to understand why what you're saying makes no sense at all.

The electric field would result in a voltage drop across the capacitor because of its proximity to the coil.