Chicago police confronted for planting bait car full of Nikes in the Ghetto

originally posted by: roadgravel
People making excuses for criminals is part of the problem with society.

Crime pays in today's world.

It's a big problem in places like Chicago. No one is around to aid the police when real crime happens, but everyone comes out of the woodwork to fight them from doing their job.

It perpetuates the very situation they complain about.

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: Antipathy17

I know right? Like they wouldnt steal Reebok's just the same.

Likely not. Nike is a much stronger brand then Reebok. Also statistically much higher theft item.

originally posted by: roadgravel
People making excuses for criminals is part of the problem with society.

Crime pays in today's world.

Very good point.
The lack of basic morals in this thread is astounding.
What the heck is wrong with people today?

a reply to: MisterSpock

Same difference, we're all targeted (indoctrinated) our entire lives to "need" nice things to FEEL good about ourselves. The Black Community are targeted the hardest with this perverse predatory materialism obsessionism, so hardcore the Media At Large has even woven it into "their music".

Then come along the cops, going into the poorest places, and instead of do community outreach and yada yada youth programs to encourage personal development... they encourage them to steal with easy low hanging fruit pickings. TO good to be true easy pickings. SO its the targeting of poverty + stupidity. Not unlike gambling casinos, or alcohol companies, better yet Freemium Gaming companies, but when you play this game you dont just lose your allowance, you go to juvie / jail, get humiliated and de facto beaten maybe even raped everyday. In the "land of the free" tisd is all ust totally super duper cool because hey, people shouldnt do that.

a reply to: MisterSpock

If the subject is real crime here, well dont Chicago PD have much much much better things to be doing, like I dont know, gang bangerism, heroin distribution and murder cases?

a reply to: gamer2343

This is not entrapment. It is a technique used quite often in the area. It just doesn't make headlines most of the time.

The way it usually goes is the truck fakes a break down, then the driver locks the truck up and leaves. In reality the truck is fine and its full of cops. There is a trap door on the bottom to allow more cops to exit the trailer quickly. The thieves inspect the tag and band on the lock and are convinced it is legit. They break the band and open the trailer to find stacks of boxes of electronics, nikes, whatever the loot of the day is. There appears to be a path around the pallets of loot toward the front of the trailer. Several thieves follow the path only to find it is, of course, a dead end and the cops swing a fake door open that effectively blocks the only path out of the trailer. Thieves are caught with nowhere to go. Other cops go out the bottom of the trailer and catch the people who didn't go inside.

This type of crime is considered a theft of opportunity. In my opinion it is the worst kind of theft. These are people that had no reason, no plan, no motive, only an opportunity to commit a crime - and they couldn't resist.

The problem is, opportunity is everywhere. So arresting these people is a very good thing to do. If it wan't a broken down semi, it might have been a person who got lost, someone with a real car problem, who knows.

Well done police. Well done.

originally posted by: BlueAjah

originally posted by: roadgravel
People making excuses for criminals is part of the problem with society.

Crime pays in today's world.

Very good point.
The lack of basic morals in this thread is astounding.
What the heck is wrong with people today?

Yup, hence my "flashback" to the Walmart thread. I was absolutely blown away at how many people in that thread(had to be 90 percent or more) lacked any true morals. Everyone had an excuse or an "if" or "but".

I was truly shocked.

originally posted by: Antipathy17
a reply to: gamer2343

My comments weren't directed at you. They were directed at anyone who believes this is racial.

originally posted by: BlueAjah
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Leaving something out in the open is not "encouraging" someone to steal.
An honest person would not have touched it.

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: MisterSpock

If the subject is real crime here, well dont Chicago PD have much much much better things to be doing, like I dont know, gang bangerism, heroin distribution and murder cases?

I agree with that, its certainly a waste of time imo just to get a bunch of low level theifs a few misdemeanor charges. But, that doesn't absolve people of their actions, or make the setup wrong.

Waste of time for sure though.

a reply to: MisterSpock

And thats why it should be picked apart, instead of carte blanche given to professional liar thugs that get off on busting / beating / etc people in a much larger per capita rate than most people could actually stomach if they truly understood the Biggest Gang In The Nation: The Police.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: BlueAjah

Yeah. For putting a career criminal in jail, good plan.

For busting a ghetto kid, wonderful. Right?

How do you know that kid isn't a career criminal with a rap sheet a mile long?

Think about it. A female cop dressed like a hooker standing on a street corner waving at passing cars isn't entrapment, but a box of sneakers sitting on a front seat is?

a reply to: Vroomfondel

How do you know that kid isn't a career criminal with a rap sheet a mile long?

I don't.
But the kid is busted, either way. For bait.

At least they could have gone for felony theft. Laptops or something. Right?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Vroomfondel

How do you know that kid isn't a career criminal with a rap sheet a mile long?

I don't.
But the kid is busted, either way. For bait.

At least they could have gone for felony theft. Laptops or something. Right?

He did end up getting busted for bait. But it wasn't the value of the prize, it was the idea that all he needed to commit a crime was an opportunity. Opportunity is everywhere. Better to stop him now and hope he learns a lesson that later when it might be too late.

I guess it depends on how much the nikes cost. In this day and age that might be a felony.

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: MisterSpock

And thats why it should be picked apart, instead of carte blanche given to professional liar thugs that get off on busting / beating / etc people in a much larger per capita rate than most people could actually stomach if they truly understood the Biggest Gang In The Nation: The Police.

Unless you know all the facts, it's hard to know. I'm sure neither of us knows the crime problems this area has. Maybe property theft is a major problem and that's why they are doing these stings. It makes more sense that the facts support a theory like that than the usual narrative of cops are a bunch of bullies.

There are a lot of problems with in police system, but there is the reality that they DO actually have an impact on lowering crime by policing. I believe a thread a few weeks ago spoke of a surge in crime as police in a certain area went from active policing(situations such as this) to just passively responding to calls.

a reply to: gamer2343

I thought entrapment was illegal...

a reply to: Vroomfondel

Better to stop him now and hope he learns a lesson that later when it might be too late.

"Just say no" doesn't work?
Criminal record is better?

a reply to: MisterSpock

If you woke up hungry one day, You go to Taco Bell, you order a fiesta taco salad because you’re trying to cut down, You inevitability drip taco juice on your shirt, You go to target to get some T-shirt’s and the cashier is a pierced, rude, gum-chewing, mouth breathing amoeba. You get into a heated argument with her because the shirts came up to $14.07 and you give her a $20 bill but as soon as she hands you your change you find the 7 cents and you tried to hand it to her but she closes the cash registers and hands you your 5 bucks and 93 cents
she then sticks her gum to a piece a paper and throws it at you and you keep it for some reason, later on you find out it’s the winning powerball ticket.

Would you keep it or give it back?

a reply to: gamer2343

Give it back

But really that's such a preposterous scenario. I'd most likely have not picked up something someone spit gum into and threw at me. If I somehow found it in my possession I would throw it away as trash, if I saw it was a piece of gum in a lottery ticket I'd assume it was an old ticket and throw it out, as trash.

The odds of winning the lottery are very slim, the odds of a winning ticket coming into someone's possession in your scenario are probably astronomical. I'd be more likely to retire on beachfront propery....on mars.

Those shoes were intended to get stolen and that's what happened to them .
The cops wanted people to steal them .
They should try it in a place where people have more money and see if the outcome is different.