American Game Hunter Kills Giraffe and Sparks Controversy

originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

I don't think you're getting it.
The point is not about eating meat..it's about what kind of a'hole likes to kill stuff they have no intention of eating, and then take pictures..I don't care the meat was distributed..thats great but not my point.

The point is we're all just as guilty (unless one happens to be vegetarian), regardless of how we get to self-delude ourselves via 'mere' passive aggressive industrial scale mass murder.

The Giraffe was stood next to an Ostrich, the Ostrich said to the Giraffe, there is a hunter over there, get your bloody head down.

Whilst I have no issues with this, I cant help but think that these 'local tribes' they gave the meat to didn't exist, eating an 18 year old giraffe when you probably have a farm full of cattle doesn't sound real to me. Its South Africa right, not Ethiopia.

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: vonclod

Dont you see the hypocrisy?

Check out my post at the top of the page.

Passive aggressive mass murder on the industrial scale is okay as long as we all virtue signal the people that cull critters that got to live in the wild. Amirite?

There is a massive difference between killing for food and killing for fun...

For example if I went round killing peoples pet dogs and cats then used the meat to feed people does that justify the killing ?

originally posted by: Forensick
The Giraffe was stood next to an Ostrich, the Ostrich said to the Giraffe, there is a hunter over there, get your bloody head down.

Whilst I have no issues with this, I cant help but think that these 'local tribes' they gave the meat to didn't exist, eating an 18 year old giraffe when you probably have a farm full of cattle doesn't sound real to me. Its South Africa right, not Ethiopia.

If they dont have to eat the cattle, that also provides them with other resources, and is used as form of currency, than its even better for them.
There have been several people from SA on this thread that confirm the benefits of these hunts to the region, locals and conservation of the species

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

For example if I went round killing peoples pet dogs and cats then used the meat to feed people does that justify the killing ?

Apples and oranges, if youre killing peoples PERSONAL PETS, thats their property. Add on to that people didnt invite you in to kill their dogs and cats, had they done that, then it might be the same.

These people work with the locals for these things. You guys really need to educate yourselves

a reply to: SailorJerry

For arguments sake then the animals for whatever reason were roaming the neighborhood... Better?

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: SailorJerry

For arguments sake then the animals for whatever reason were roaming the neighborhood... Better?

The government kills dogs and cats "roaming" the neighborhood all the time.

she got a rush from shooting a giraffe? are you kidding me? who shoots giraffes?
my god that must have been something! giraffe eating leaves off a tree and then BANG!
she is quite the hunter, and the meat? i suppose if the natives were hungry they could hunt?
well maybe not, thank god she was there to feed them.

originally posted by: DanDanDat

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: SailorJerry

For arguments sake then the animals for whatever reason were roaming the neighborhood... Better?

The government kills dogs and cats "roaming" the neighborhood all the time.

Beat me to it!

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: SailorJerry

For arguments sake then the animals for whatever reason were roaming the neighborhood... Better?

Again these people are welcomed over to do this, its an industry, providing conservation and food for the locals as well as money for the region. What would your killing of neighborhood animals do for any of that?

Youre desperately trying to draw a comparison where there is none

Tess's act is true pornography of the soul. So sad that she seems so proud.

I must say in this day and age where humans do so much damage as is, I can't fathom getting a further kick out of tearing through a beautiful living soul for entertainment, cheering and congratulating one another as it dies as trophy hunters can't make head shots that instantly take it out but must settle for bleeding out or a heart failure from the animals stress and inability to understand what just suddenly happened to it.

But a hundred times more and something you can't possibly take one of and not the other, a million times crueler and the biggest crimes on earth in my opinion, even moreso than fractional reserve central banking systems, is the most heinous violent thing on earth, the Japanese,Chinese, Mexican, and American meat and poultry industries. Dismembering animals confined to spaces with smaller volume than the animals body and loading thrum with drugs to make them full grown and then some in one or two years tops then cutting their tortured better-to-never-have-been-born lives short twenty years with the two most practiced methods of execution, the anal electrocution line or the giant steel headed mallet crashing the brain and skull into a mess of flesh, shards, and brain...I don't understand how anyone can hive a penny to the meat or gelatin industry and i feel bad enough eating dairy I am not certain lived totally free of restraint and steroids...and that takes lots of money and research since the FDA allows phrases like cage free or free roam on meat that is treated the same way. So don't be fooled

a reply to: AlexandrosTheGreat

To make something clear, I am not opposed to the meat industry. It will never be anything I can live with myself as just last week I realized I could have gotten a giant scorpion off my wall and outside alive but for the first time in over ten years resorted to taking it upon myself to take a soul out of the world, killing it and I spent two days on my knees praying for forgiveness, eyes welling up the whole time.

But with science giving evidence to the herbivore, omnivore, and carnivore theories back and forth again and again, im nobody to say anyone else should not eat meat. Im SAYING nobody has the right to keep animals insuch conditions not any body or any country. And the fact people get outraged enough to take guns into here or there or commit suicide or back in the day, even self-immolate...but to let this happen to hundreds of millions of souls a month?! Give me a gd break!

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

...and what do you suppose happens to many of the animals the animal control folks take off the street of your neighborhood?

Many, if not most, die.

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
There is a massive difference between killing for food and killing for fun...

For example if I went round killing peoples pet dogs and cats then used the meat to feed people does that justify the killing ?

What kind of person do you think administers the kill shot at the slaughterhouse that keeps you fed? Aint chu ever seen Texas Chainsaw Massacre?

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

...and what do you suppose happens to many of the animals the animal control folks take off the street of your neighborhood?

Many, if not most, die.

especially specific breeds, based SOLEY on their breed

a reply to: SailorJerry

Yeah, pitbulls as a prime example.

originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask
You're free to think whatever you like.

...and yet his thoughts don't involve violence and rage displays against a innocent human being who's only "crime" was upsetting the weak and easily flustered. Seems to me he's more than just "free" to think the way he's thinking, he's quite smart and mature in his thought processes.

Whether you like it, hate it, cry yourself to sleep over it, really does not matter. That pretty lady (inside as much as out) generously paid into the economic system that keeps those villagers out of the squalid conditions many African villages not located within game areas that require herd culling and population control find themselves in. In return for her investment she has a beautiful trophy, an amazing story, and a smile that won't leave her face for many years. She also has the security of knowing haters gonna hate, but we're Americans so haters don't mean squat which is great!

originally posted by: havanaja
Tess's act is true pornography of the soul. So sad that she seems so proud.

"Pornography of the soul?"

Really?

Please tell me you got that from some dictionary of overblown hyperbole and tell me where I can buy a copy myself, because that one deserves documentation. Perspective, you lack it seriously.

a reply to: burdman30ott6



Perspective is everything.

If he was very lucky, he'd have lived another six years or so. As I understand it, he was causing more harm to the herd than good, as he'd killed two younger productive bulls.

But, odds are, he wouldn't have been lucky. He'd have been about due to get sick, and die a rather miserable death, much like that Polar Bear everyone was up in arms over as proof of their imminent demise...

Yes, in life he was an impressive animal. But his days were numbered, as old age was, if it hadn't already, about to begin to play havoc with him. As a non-producing bull, he's of no use to the herd...the population wasn't hurt in the slightest, in point of fact, it was helped since he'll be unable to attack younger bulls now.

He was culled painlessly, or at least it was a short amount of pain. Unlike that which he would have suffered as arthritis or other issues began to wreak havoc on him. There is no difference, none, between this, and a pack of hyenas finally pulling him down, and eating him alive. Except for the lack of pain.

I know you know this, I'm just adding to it.