Trump signs executive order to stop family separations at border

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: DBCowboy

Open borders does not remove the legal jurisdictions provided by borders

It makes a nation just an idea on paper and eliminates a country's identity in a practical sense.

Then why do Texas and California have their own, very different identities?

Conservative immigration bill fails in House, GOP leaders delay vote on compromise measure

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i also heard that last nite the leaders denied a bipartisan bill that had enough support to pass.

originally posted by: ker2010

originally posted by: angeldoll
a reply to: howtonhawky

Madness. All the people with brains in their head just wanted him to pick up the phone, call ICE and border control, and say "nevermind". Instead he chose to make a big show of it, like he was doing something great. The man's a fool and apparently believes his "base" is too.

I have seen your posts so I know this is like throwing a milk bucket under a bull but here goes:

Fact: The vast majority of the 12,000 children/minors crossed the border by themselves or with a stranger (and a lot of them were SENT across the border by their parents-- so they entered the United States already separated from their families). And no, I'm not just regurgitating a tweet posted by Trump. Even NPR has reported that "nearly 2,000 children" have been separated from their parents (which supports the claim about the vast majority). What were they supposed to do with the minors who crossed the border by themselves? Let them just roam around the country by themselves with no questions and no help? Because that certainly doesn't sound like a solution. At all.

People are obviously taking this to the utmost hyperbolic levels possible (by calling it a "concentration camp"), but the fact of the matter is this: These children are being treated no differently than any other American Citizen child who has needed to be taken out of their family situation due to felonies/crimes/violent crimes committed by the adult family members. And if you cross the border illegally ... THEN YOU ARE BREAKING THE LAW. Simple as that. I have also read reports about how the majority of claims for "refuge/sanctuary" are completely false. I can't believe that people can tell me with a straight face that the system hasn't been abused. Come the # on.

But yeah, "Nazi Germany REEE" and everything. Let's not approach anything with nuance or critical thinking anymore. Let's just all act like we have a nasty case of PMS and throw crying temper tantrums as a method to change policy or as a means of debate.

Womp womp.

a reply to: face23785

The country can extradite or pay the damages caused on that soil; but in that case there should be a relocation fee for the family included.

Of course council based on what the crime is; as some women may not want to be tied to say a child or spouse abuser; of course the richer opportunity country should allow the family to settle where in the world across that line drawn best for everyone involved. Of course the cut off should be where a fued tries to start in whichever side of the family in which it arises. That would be the determining country that the family should not live in; in my honest opinion as it will only cause more issues and squabbles; however tension could arise into a Hatfield/McCoy situation.

In some cases divorce and a name change is the best option and avoid both sides. As for instance a poster here wrote that about a year or two back his wife and he were having a great time no issues of any kind; then an aunt or someone started coming over trying to make nice and dumping all of her and the families issues on them; causing their marriage to start getting stressed.

Of course that sort of thing is more what council is for; sometimes mental and legal need to be involved. Of course some have no issues lying on record to cover their own indecency or indiscretions. This is where public and private fail in the US and in many countries where people try to hide from the law using religion.

Religion is a path; make it work for you? You are off of it every step of the way... and really only following oneself.

Follow one to the end? Pick up another and learn; following one after the other to run and hide and do whatever one likes? Death follows as a fletcher makes an arrow straight. Could keep the chosen path straight? The arrow sure will be.

Such a thing is not an oasis to hide in or from to keep muddying the waters for all else that try to drink on the path they are on. So keeping to the chosen path? Makes sure no well is poisoned along the way... no matter which direction one comes from and no matter which direction one goes too.

Some people are paid to hold burdens for others; those are the best to unload such as that on; going to another church that says oh do this this and that while the rest of the week one runs willy nilly however they like is still not walking that path; eventually not only walking the path one also sits it; lays down in it and then becomes it.

When self and other is lost to all of that path; fruition one is done and ripe... of course all other walking or treading not only that path but others come to those lines or crossroads and see the state of the oasis. All they can do is stand there and wait til things settle.

Same thing with livelihood; some occupations do way more damage to family in mental, physical and sexual than others... of course age restrictions etc should be taken into account; many children are left on their own or to their own devices, due to both parents needing to work.

That means the system raises the children... when the system raises the children; it becomes almost cradle to grave of in the system or as a cartoon/anime show said: "In the tree; part of the tree". Call all trees one in reductionism and the world tree of live becomes known... same as the oasis. So many names like people and form allow things to spread out so that there is such a thing as to each "thing" there is a season.

Meaning ample time is given to learn if one starts making snap judgments? Then have they stood at the oasis long enough for it to settle? For it to dry up? For someone to come along and say wasn't one here? At that point it is likely the first will start crying at that point where... no words.

They say a picture paints a thousand words; and that point made spins the entire picture in an instant for the one that just stood there as that point until then.

Same as when separated families reunite; the empty place in their heart holds that position for them and leaps on their return... no place in ones heart? Then someone is always out of their mind. Being and non being? Every instant expand your heart until the point is made.

originally posted by: projectvxn
There is a process in place. I think we both can agree that we need to streamline that process.

I certainly don't think we'll ever go 100% open borders like I favor, but I'm struggling to see where we need to crack down on the borders more. The past 10 years have had a very successful program for the southern border which has resulted in more people leaving illegally than entering, and it did so mostly humanely (though we still had a few of these camps).

Why change what was working well?

a reply to: Aazadan

Why change what was working well?

Because it isn't working.

Did the Obama Administration Place Immigrant Children With Human Traffickers? - Snopes

This is the problem. Many of these kids came here with adults who are NOT their parents. They are being used as chits to get in. In the worst case scenarios they are being brought here for trafficking purposes.

We have border controls for a reason. But it isn't all about keeping Mexicans out. It's about stopping the flow of trafficking in people, guns, and drugs.

a reply to: projectvxn

Tragedies like that are exactly why treating these people as legal residents is a good thing. When you get people into the system, you can generally assume them to be obeying the law. At that point, there's a pretty good justification to crack down harder on people who aren't in the system as you can reasonably assume them to be committing real crimes beyond just immigration.

a reply to: Aazadan

So you never thought about the multi billion dollar trafficking and smuggling operations flooding the country.

Figures you probably think that has no real effects either.

Most of that comes over the Mexico Border.

😎🤷

originally posted by: xuenchen
So you never thought about the multi billion dollar trafficking and smuggling operations flooding the country.

That's fake news.

Josh Caplan
‏ @joshdcaplan

Former DHS Secretary Jeh Johnson admits to expanding family detention under President Obama.

Link below is to the tweet which contains an embedded interview where he talks about it.


twitter.com...

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: xuenchen
So you never thought about the multi billion dollar trafficking and smuggling operations flooding the country.

That's fake news.

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Most of the illicit drugs come into the United States across the vast 2,000-mile land border between the US and Mexico, called the Southwestern border or SWB. Drug cartels in Mexico utilize drug mules, tunnels, boats, vehicles, trains, aircrafts, donkeys, and couriers to get illegal drugs into America. Mexican drug cartels make an estimated $19-$29 billion a year on drug sales in the United States. Conflicts between drug cartels over territory as well as the attempts to stop drug trafficking by law enforcement officials often results in violence, and this has caused over 55,000 deaths since the proclaimed Mexican Drug War began in 2006.

In 2013, over 24 million Americans aged 12 and older were current illicit drug users, meaning they had abused drugs in the month prior to the national survey.

Southwestern border

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The director of the Coalition Against Trafficking in Women and Girls in Latin America and the Caribbean stated that Mexican drug cartels made up to $10 Billion in 2012 from the sexual services and labor exploitation of human trafficking victims.

A different non-governmental organization, Asahac, estimated that over half of the migrants from Central American who are attempting to enter the United States are captured either by human traffickers or human smuggling rings.

Profits from Human Trafficking by Mexican Drug Cartels

a reply to: SlapMonkey

Higher numbers keep coming out.

www.bostonglobe.com...
20,000 migrant children now. We're going to start throwing them in military prisons because the concentration camps are out of space.

a reply to: xuenchen

If we legalized most of those drugs and ended the war on drugs, focusing more on treatment than prosecution we would have far fewer drug users, and the ones we did have would be split between the cartels and keeping the money in the country.

George Soros Open Borders Society
www.breitbart.com...
www.naturalnews.com...
Oh wait, everyone thought this was just an evil American problem???

Why is there a migrant crisis in the Mediterranean? Why are NGOs involved? Because there is an extensive network of open borders activists and organizations behind it; many of them are directly funded by or cooperated with George Soros’ Open Society. Is it illegal? Not really. Political activism is an essential part of democratic societies. However, sometimes it goes too far, or the promoted causes prove to be either unrealistic or unsustainable

sovereignnations.com...

e've also learned that a sect of radicalized Socialists are also assisting in the invasion, which makes the matter this much more threatening to the people of the United States of America, and that George Soros funded propagandists are pushing hard in an information war of manipulation to depict these Communists as being “innocent families seeking refuge,” which is completely false.

thegoldwater.com...

joeforamerica.com...


conservativerefocus.com... t-wing-demands-islamic-insurgence

johnib.wordpress.com... ty-for-illegal-immigrants-in-america/


This is just a small smattering of articles related to the migrant crisis here. It's all part of the Globalist plot.

originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: xuenchen

If we legalized most of those drugs and ended the war on drugs, focusing more on treatment than prosecution we would have far fewer drug users, and the ones we did have would be split between the cartels and keeping the money in the country.

So first it's fake news and now you completely change your mind.

What's next ?

"IF" is the biggest word in the dictionary ?

😃

See Ya

a reply to: xuenchen

Truthfully repeating lies is fake news right?

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Martin75
A country HAS to have borders. It's what makes the country.
So why does supporting the law make me scared of brown people? Stupid has kicked into overdrive

The United States has open borders between states. The states aren't disappearing. Borders are nothing more than an outline of legal jurisdictions.

I see this argument all the time, yet both the US and Europe are standing proof right now that open borders don't destroy the state.

Perhaps the operating word in your own post is "legal"
Think about that. Do you want to eliminate all immigration laws to allow for anyone to go anywhere with zero accountability? Do you imagine that a plan like that really figures in to the NWO Open Borders Society?

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Xcathdra
I called it.

Sen. Dick Durbin (D) and other Democrats slammed Trump for the executive order on immigration. Durbin was doing an interview and blasted Trump saying his EO is not legal because it violates Flores.

They want zero prosecutions of illegal immigrants. They won't be happy until they get that. They won't accept any bill that doesn't do that. They don't care about those kids. It was never about keeping them with their families. It's about letting in as many illegal immigrants as possible.

Which is exactly the agenda of George Soros, The Open Society Institute, and the Open Borders Society, and in general the Globalist agenda.

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Martin75
A country HAS to have borders. It's what makes the country.
So why does supporting the law make me scared of brown people? Stupid has kicked into overdrive

The United States has open borders between states. The states aren't disappearing. Borders are nothing more than an outline of legal jurisdictions.

I see this argument all the time, yet both the US and Europe are standing proof right now that open borders don't destroy the state.

Perhaps the operating word in your own post is "legal"
Think about that. Do you want to eliminate all immigration laws to allow for anyone to go anywhere with zero accountability? Do you imagine that a plan like that really figures in to the NWO Open Borders Society?

How does open borders remove accountability? All it does is promote a legal status, it helps to filter criminals from law abiding people by putting them in jobs, the banking system, rents, credit cards, and everything else.

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa

originally posted by: SteamyJeans
“The measure would allow children to stay in detention with parents for an extended period of time.

So now, instead of separating kids from their parents, their just gonna detain women and children in (essentially) minimum security prisons, alongside potentially very dangerous and violent men.

And if they pay the right fees to the right people, like a lawyer, they are allowed their freedom again (or at least a speedier process in the courts). Sounds a bit like the way the smugglers hold the immigrants in their safehouses after crossing the border until a fee is paid by someone like a family member. Of course, if no fee is paid they kill them because they can't get taxmoney for detaining them longer unlike certain other people working for the government, who probably also get a fee for deporting them (or their political and economical buddies). Either way, the system and its biggest benefactors will wring some more money out of them. As the smugglers rub their hands and increase their handling profits with every new measure the US government implements that is targetted primarily at the ones that try to make it on their own without the smuggling network, i.e. targetted at the only real competition for those making money of immigrants (regardless if they're smugglers or working for the US government).

Interesting to see evolutionary philosophies and ways of thinking show up again at 10:35 below: