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Trump signs executive order to stop family separations at border

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posted on Jun, 22 2018 @ 10:05 AM
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originally posted by: ker2010

originally posted by: Wayfarer

originally posted by: ker2010
a reply to: Wayfarer

That's rich coming from a liberal who lives off projection.

Rest assured your open border dream will not come true. The USA will remain a sovereign country. All your bitching, crying, whining, on ATS will not change that. It's all futile.

PS we will keep our guns too.


Again, the fact that you get your fee fee's hurt (from a post that is seemingly proven more accurate by your response) is just more evidence of projection.

I have no open border dream. I have no desire for the US to relinquish its sovereignty. I'm not sure where you made such assumptions, but the most likely culprit is your fevered mind dreamed them up because you've constructed equally non-nonsensical thought-forms yourself.

In essence your rebuttal to my post ends up coming across like a kid shouting "I know you are but what am I!?"



Ah saying I got my feelings hurt. Sorry to disappoint you Im not made of cotton like you more than likely are. (physically and mentally)

It looks like you took exception to the truth that dems are catering to illegals for votes and dont give a rats ass about children (who they ignored under Obama). Did the truth hurt your tiny feelings cream puff?

Give me your address and ill mail you a coloring book full of unicorns and pixies with a pack of crayolas free of charge, I think my 5 y/o niece has an extra one lying around for you.

That way you can go to your dedicated safe space in your parent's basement, apartment, or wherever you live and cope by coloring all because the mean evil straight white alpha male republican spoke the truth and made you cry.

I keep forgetting betas are so sensitive


You wouldn't feel the need to write me an exposition as above unless you were hurt. Sorry chum.




posted on Jun, 22 2018 @ 11:35 AM
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I think we shouldn't detain anyone. It's a waste of money. Just boot them back across the border no matter if they want asylum or not. It's not our problem.



posted on Jun, 22 2018 @ 11:39 AM
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originally posted by: trustmeimdoctor
I think we shouldn't detain anyone. It's a waste of money. Just boot them back across the border no matter if they want asylum or not. It's not our problem.


I am starting to think that if we are gonna detain anyone it should be violent offenders.

Actually i have always thought that but the feds keep conflating the ones who need to be stopped because of real criminality with those seeking asylum

the federal laws are too contrived to function in an effectual manner any longer.

STATES RIGHTS will fix this



posted on Jun, 22 2018 @ 09:44 PM
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originally posted by: howtonhawky

originally posted by: trustmeimdoctor
I think we shouldn't detain anyone. It's a waste of money. Just boot them back across the border no matter if they want asylum or not. It's not our problem.


I am starting to think that if we are gonna detain anyone it should be violent offenders.

Actually i have always thought that but the feds keep conflating the ones who need to be stopped because of real criminality with those seeking asylum

the federal laws are too contrived to function in an effectual manner any longer.

STATES RIGHTS will fix this


No, understand migration does not change IQ, and without integration it rarely changes culture. Individuals from foreign cultures hostile to western values and with low IQ are a threat to national security.

You think if Europe continues to take in migrants it won't turn into a third world collective? It won't degenerate?

We will keep strong borders, and a few decades from now if you're still alive you can go live to third world banana republics that took mass migrants over in Europe, enjoy it.

Or perhaps seeing their profound unstoppable decay, you will realize the wrongness of your ways. People are equal in terms of human worth, but in terms of mental capacity and culture no, some are inferior in terms of what they can accomplish.
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posted on Jun, 22 2018 @ 10:37 PM
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originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Martin75
A country HAS to have borders. It's what makes the country.
So why does supporting the law make me scared of brown people? Stupid has kicked into overdrive


The United States has open borders between states. The states aren't disappearing. Borders are nothing more than an outline of legal jurisdictions.

I see this argument all the time, yet both the US and Europe are standing proof right now that open borders don't destroy the state.

Perhaps the operating word in your own post is "legal"
Think about that. Do you want to eliminate all immigration laws to allow for anyone to go anywhere with zero accountability? Do you imagine that a plan like that really figures in to the NWO Open Borders Society?


How does open borders remove accountability? All it does is promote a legal status, it helps to filter criminals from law abiding people by putting them in jobs, the banking system, rents, credit cards, and everything else.
Open Borders filters criminals? So what country would everyone belong to? The One World Government in charge? If there are no borders, there are no countries, and no national governments. Or were you thinking of the giant regional areas designated by Agenda 2030? Everyone would be tracked by the NWO..... that's what it amounts to. Is that what you want?

To me this says it all and it looks like its what you are signing on to....

Billionaire globalist George Soros lays out his plan for a single world government Billionaire globalist George Soros has announced his plans for a new single world government that will rule over independent nations to usher in the New World Order under his leadership.
Speaking at the Democracy Alliance Conference at the La Costa Resort, California, Soros laid out his agenda to introduce “global governance” and weaken the “limitations of manmade borders
conspiration.news...

Hope you love your globalist dicta....I mean leader
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posted on Jun, 22 2018 @ 10:44 PM
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a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Open borders does not mean no borders. Borders exist in order to define legal jurisdictions. Open borders refers to the free movement of people and goods between borders, not the elimination of legal jurisdictions.



posted on Jun, 22 2018 @ 10:48 PM
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originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Open borders does not mean no borders. Borders exist in order to define legal jurisdictions. Open borders refers to the free movement of people and goods between borders, not the elimination of legal jurisdictions.[/quote/]

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posted on Jun, 22 2018 @ 10:49 PM
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originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Open borders does not mean no borders. Borders exist in order to define legal jurisdictions. Open borders refers to the free movement of people and goods between borders, not the elimination of legal jurisdictions.


Im sorry Im not buying it. I just posted the real deal....global governance under George Soros.... that is the plan.
Im sorry to say I think you are just plain naive to think that open borders means a free flow of people going wherever they feel and whenever ...... have you really thought this through or just listening to your local Soros ngo group?



posted on Jun, 22 2018 @ 10:51 PM
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originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Open borders does not mean no borders. Borders exist in order to define legal jurisdictions. Open borders refers to the free movement of people and goods between borders, not the elimination of legal jurisdictions.


So how would that work? millions of people pouring into the US and getting jobs and paying taxes..... oh wait, I think I heard Tucker Carlson mention the remittances that Mexico relies on from their nationals in the US.....

Why do you buy into the liberal nonsense?
This is a quote from Soros

“With our nations united under a single global governance, the world’s economy will be free to thrive with a centrally controlled world bank and a single currency.”
conspiration.news...
Care to comment on that or are you going to deny that its the narrative you are pushing?

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posted on Jun, 22 2018 @ 10:53 PM
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a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

What you think open borders means, and what I am referring to are not the same thing.

Border enforcement, where we hunt down people crossing illegally is a waste of resources. We would be much better off letting anyone reside within our borders, but requiring papers to establish identity in order to rent, work, use banks, and so on... with very severe penalties for not verifying this information.

Through this system, anyone who wants to come here could do so and they would all be capable of working and contributing honestly. It would get people into the tax base. From there, we could grant citizenship to any honest individuals who live and work here for x number of years. Ensuring that those who shape our country are represented in congress.

Additionally, it would bar criminals from ever getting established which would ensure ICE, border patrol, etc... could focus on the real criminals.



posted on Jun, 22 2018 @ 10:54 PM
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originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
So how would that work? millions of people pouring into the US and getting jobs and paying taxes..... oh wait, I think I heard Tucker Carlson mention the remittances that Mexico relies on from their nationals in the US.....


Take income taxes out of their paychecks. It would work exactly the same way it works for anyone who legally lives in the US now.



posted on Jun, 22 2018 @ 10:56 PM
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a reply to: Aazadan




Border enforcement, where we hunt down people crossing illegally is a waste of resources. We would be much better off letting anyone reside within our borders, but requiring papers to establish identity in order to rent, work, use banks, and so on... with very severe penalties for not verifying this information.


oh so its not really all that free..... it requires papers and such..... so who gives out those papers? Who do they pay taxes to? What you really mean is you just think that anyone who comes here should be able to … Do you think that if there is an open border that Americans will just go to Mexico or El Salvador and everything is going to be hunky dory? Are you serious? Are you aware that the leading candidate for Mexican presidency is advocating massive migration to the US in numberless numbers while still paying remittances to Mexico? Who does this help?
More socialist drivel, that's what it amounts to. Mexico has jobs by the way. I researched in back around 2005 or so for an economics course. They have jobs in construction, gold mining, oil, and agriculture. I believe it was Mark Levin who said yesterday that the remittances help the wealthy elites of Mexico.
Will you answer to that or continue to push the socialist utopian narrative?
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posted on Jun, 22 2018 @ 11:04 PM
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a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Governments provide the paperwork, specifically... identification information. From there we can cross reference it with databases of known criminals.

Such a system would completely shut down human trafficking because there would no longer be a reason to purchase those services. It would therefore defund cartels, while putting more people in the US financial system, and increasing their quality of life.

I don't know if American's would go to Mexico or El Salvador, I'm sure some would but I couldn't tell you how many. I don't know if those nations would create a reciprocal system or not either. It's not really important.

Also, remittances would stop. That practice only exists because the US prevents a persons entire family from moving here. If we went to the system I outlined, nothing would prevent them all from moving here and working here. That would in turn keep more of our money within the country.
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posted on Jun, 22 2018 @ 11:05 PM
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originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
So how would that work? millions of people pouring into the US and getting jobs and paying taxes..... oh wait, I think I heard Tucker Carlson mention the remittances that Mexico relies on from their nationals in the US.....


Take income taxes out of their paychecks. It would work exactly the same way it works for anyone who legally lives in the US now.


Ive just told you that the Mexican government wants massive migration into the US so that they can receive remittances from those people. It is naïve to believe that they really want US citizenship. And the Democrat Party just wants voters so they can continue to push their socialist utopia. The Democrat Party is owned and backed by Soros and his billions of dollars in the OSI.
So let me ask you this.... you feel that massive immigration helps America and that there wont be chaos but all would be in order and everyone would be happy......and all these people would be paying taxes to the US government? I cannot believe you are serious about this. The funny thing is it was Democrats who originally sought to limit legal migration, and Democrats who put the Japanese in internment camps to by the way.
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posted on Jun, 22 2018 @ 11:06 PM
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originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
So how would that work? millions of people pouring into the US and getting jobs and paying taxes..... oh wait, I think I heard Tucker Carlson mention the remittances that Mexico relies on from their nationals in the US.....


Take income taxes out of their paychecks. It would work exactly the same way it works for anyone who legally lives in the US now.


Ive just told you that the Mexican government wants massive migration into the US so that they can receive remittances from those people. It is naïve to believe that they really want US citizenship. And the Democrat Party just wants voters so they can continue to push their socialist utopia. The Democrat Party is owned and backed by Soros and his billions of dollars in the OSI.


See my edit, you edited your post while I was responding.



posted on Jun, 22 2018 @ 11:10 PM
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originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
So how would that work? millions of people pouring into the US and getting jobs and paying taxes..... oh wait, I think I heard Tucker Carlson mention the remittances that Mexico relies on from their nationals in the US.....


Take income taxes out of their paychecks. It would work exactly the same way it works for anyone who legally lives in the US now.


Ive just told you that the Mexican government wants massive migration into the US so that they can receive remittances from those people. It is naïve to believe that they really want US citizenship. And the Democrat Party just wants voters so they can continue to push their socialist utopia. The Democrat Party is owned and backed by Soros and his billions of dollars in the OSI.


See my edit, you edited your post while I was responding.
Did you see my post where I said that there ARE jobs in Mexico???? In all the same areas they work in in the US. Why promote a flood of massive migration when they could fix the problems of their own country? Where is Mexico's culpability here? Or El Salvador or where ever.
The fact is that Obama's policies enabled child trafficking and drug trafficking too.
You are obviously painfully unaware that the reality is this is what we can expect....

We, as we say all the time, are very pro-immigration. But what Sr. Obrador, a classic lefty Latin crony capitalist if there ever was one (though, surprise, he’s selling himself as an enemy of crony capitalism this go ’round), is suggesting here is an overt hostile act. But has just the bare patina of “humanitarianism”. Enough for the soft heads and the fellow travelers.

From The Daily Caller) Mexican presidential candidate Andrés Manuel López Obrador (AMLO) called for mass immigration to the United States during a speech Thursday, declaring it a “human right” for all North Americans.
“And soon, very soon — after the victory of our movement — we will defend all the migrants in the American continent and all the migrants in the world,” Obrador said, adding that immigrants “must leave their towns and find a life in the United States.”
He then declared it as “a human right we will defend,” eluniversal.com reports.
hpub.org...

So what do you think about that? Do you think its really good for the US? Or for this type of thing to happen in other countries? Soros has promoted this in other countries. And his motive is not pure, as I have posted his own words already, he wants to rule the globe himself.
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posted on Jun, 22 2018 @ 11:20 PM
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originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
So how would that work? millions of people pouring into the US and getting jobs and paying taxes..... oh wait, I think I heard Tucker Carlson mention the remittances that Mexico relies on from their nationals in the US.....


Take income taxes out of their paychecks. It would work exactly the same way it works for anyone who legally lives in the US now.


Ive just told you that the Mexican government wants massive migration into the US so that they can receive remittances from those people. It is naïve to believe that they really want US citizenship. And the Democrat Party just wants voters so they can continue to push their socialist utopia. The Democrat Party is owned and backed by Soros and his billions of dollars in the OSI.


See my edit, you edited your post while I was responding.
Did you see my post where I said that there ARE jobs in Mexico???? In all the same areas they work in in the US. Why promote a flood of massive migration when they could fix the problems of their own country? Where is Mexico's culpability here? Or El Salvador or where ever.
The fact is that Obama's policies enabled child trafficking and drug trafficking too.
You are obviously painfully unaware that the reality is this is what we can expect....

We, as we say all the time, are very pro-immigration. But what Sr. Obrador, a classic lefty Latin crony capitalist if there ever was one (though, surprise, he’s selling himself as an enemy of crony capitalism this go ’round), is suggesting here is an overt hostile act. But has just the bare patina of “humanitarianism”. Enough for the soft heads and the fellow travelers.

From The Daily Caller) Mexican presidential candidate Andrés Manuel López Obrador (AMLO) called for mass immigration to the United States during a speech Thursday, declaring it a “human right” for all North Americans.
“And soon, very soon — after the victory of our movement — we will defend all the migrants in the American continent and all the migrants in the world,” Obrador said, adding that immigrants “must leave their towns and find a life in the United States.”
He then declared it as “a human right we will defend,” eluniversal.com reports.
hpub.org...

So what do you think about that? Do you think its really good for the US? Or for this type of thing to happen in other countries? Soros has promoted this in other countries. And his motive is not pure, as I have posted his own words already, he wants to rule the globe himself.


Why should a nation have to fix their own problems? Why are you so opposed to the idea of people flocking to a nation where those problems don't exist?



posted on Jun, 23 2018 @ 03:57 AM
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originally posted by: howtonhawky

originally posted by: trustmeimdoctor
I think we shouldn't detain anyone. It's a waste of money. Just boot them back across the border no matter if they want asylum or not. It's not our problem.


I am starting to think that if we are gonna detain anyone it should be violent offenders.

Actually i have always thought that but the feds keep conflating the ones who need to be stopped because of real criminality with those seeking asylum

the federal laws are too contrived to function in an effectual manner any longer.

STATES RIGHTS will fix this


and per the Constitution immigration and federal sovereignty at a border is reserved solely to the federal government and not the state.

States have no rights in this area.
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posted on Jun, 23 2018 @ 01:10 PM
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originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

What you think open borders means, and what I am referring to are not the same thing.

Border enforcement, where we hunt down people crossing illegally is a waste of resources. We would be much better off letting anyone reside within our borders, but requiring papers to establish identity in order to rent, work, use banks, and so on... with very severe penalties for not verifying this information.

Through this system, anyone who wants to come here could do so and they would all be capable of working and contributing honestly. It would get people into the tax base. From there, we could grant citizenship to any honest individuals who live and work here for x number of years. Ensuring that those who shape our country are represented in congress.

Additionally, it would bar criminals from ever getting established which would ensure ICE, border patrol, etc... could focus on the real criminals.


And liberal states go about putting sanctuaries, giving them welfare, and discretly allowing them and their children to vote.

While our population and high iq individuals reproduce little, millions upon millions of low iq migrants given the promise of welfare and sanctuaries start pouring in replacing the population. Taxes are raised, and people flee the liberal states to vote the same policies in other states. The welfare system taxed to the brink from such unsustainable levels of use, the population unfit to function properly starts ghettoing the city, bringing in their crime and corruption over. And there you have it a third world banana republic, product of an unfit population.



posted on Jun, 23 2018 @ 01:13 PM
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How about some xo action stating only citizens can have welfare?

Oh that does not serve the plan the admin has i suppose.



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