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Trump signs executive order to stop family separations at border

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posted on Jun, 23 2018 @ 01:16 PM
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originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
So how would that work? millions of people pouring into the US and getting jobs and paying taxes..... oh wait, I think I heard Tucker Carlson mention the remittances that Mexico relies on from their nationals in the US.....


Take income taxes out of their paychecks. It would work exactly the same way it works for anyone who legally lives in the US now.


Ive just told you that the Mexican government wants massive migration into the US so that they can receive remittances from those people. It is naïve to believe that they really want US citizenship. And the Democrat Party just wants voters so they can continue to push their socialist utopia. The Democrat Party is owned and backed by Soros and his billions of dollars in the OSI.


See my edit, you edited your post while I was responding.
Did you see my post where I said that there ARE jobs in Mexico???? In all the same areas they work in in the US. Why promote a flood of massive migration when they could fix the problems of their own country? Where is Mexico's culpability here? Or El Salvador or where ever.
The fact is that Obama's policies enabled child trafficking and drug trafficking too.
You are obviously painfully unaware that the reality is this is what we can expect....

We, as we say all the time, are very pro-immigration. But what Sr. Obrador, a classic lefty Latin crony capitalist if there ever was one (though, surprise, he’s selling himself as an enemy of crony capitalism this go ’round), is suggesting here is an overt hostile act. But has just the bare patina of “humanitarianism”. Enough for the soft heads and the fellow travelers.

From The Daily Caller) Mexican presidential candidate Andrés Manuel López Obrador (AMLO) called for mass immigration to the United States during a speech Thursday, declaring it a “human right” for all North Americans.
“And soon, very soon — after the victory of our movement — we will defend all the migrants in the American continent and all the migrants in the world,” Obrador said, adding that immigrants “must leave their towns and find a life in the United States.”
He then declared it as “a human right we will defend,” eluniversal.com reports.
hpub.org...

So what do you think about that? Do you think its really good for the US? Or for this type of thing to happen in other countries? Soros has promoted this in other countries. And his motive is not pure, as I have posted his own words already, he wants to rule the globe himself.


Why should a nation have to fix their own problems? Why are you so opposed to the idea of people flocking to a nation where those problems don't exist?


Because the problem comes with them. These people topple governments and what they put in place is just as bad. The high IQ and high creativity population of the U.S toppled their UK leadership, and became independent and made one of the best countries on earth.

Their nations are a product of their population, it is not the bed sheet that is sick but the patient, move him elsewhere and he brings the sickness with him.

Have you not seen the increase in violent crime from migrants in places like germany? They bring their hell here, know it, and understand it. Moving them from one location to another won't change their capabilities or culture.




posted on Jun, 23 2018 @ 01:20 PM
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originally posted by: Xenogears
And liberal states go about putting sanctuaries, giving them welfare, and discretly allowing them and their children to vote.


I don't see a problem with any of these things. Welfare only benefits society, sanctuary is nothing more than not prosecuting people over illegal immigration, which this proposal would eliminate anyways, and I don't think voting should be limited to citizens, only to residents.



While our population and high iq individuals reproduce little, millions upon millions of low iq migrants given the promise of welfare and sanctuaries start pouring in replacing the population.


While I don't agree with the high/low IQ point in the first place, why wouldn't high IQ people come here too? A system that enables anyone to succeed at a high quality of life is going to be very attractive to people with talent, of any intelligence level.



posted on Jun, 23 2018 @ 01:20 PM
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originally posted by: howtonhawky
How about some xo action stating only citizens can have welfare?

Oh that does not serve the plan the admin has i suppose.


Because it would be challenged, and liberal judges would block it for years.

Besides we do not want to become mexico. Understand enough mexicans come here, and this becomes a new mexico. Generation after generation the gang members and corrupt politicians die, only to be replaced by new ones. They will bring that here.

EDIT:
You look at all these low iq countries all over the world that are failures. And then they come here where we have a higher iq successful population, and you think it is magic that gives us our success? No it is our innate higher capabilities. Once they outnumber us here, and this country becomes like the rest of the failed states, it too will become a failed state and they will have extinguished the flame of success here.

Just you wait a few decades, in Europe there are countries with a nationalist stance protecting their borders. Those that don't will DEGENERATE into third world banana republics. If you want your open borders go there, and see what happens when a low iq population brings their failed world from one location to another.

A person of low capacity, they can be supported by individuals with higher capacity in a modern successful nation. But their numbers must always be a minority, as their capabilities determine their potential, and they are a burden not a flame from which the next great innovation or enterprise will arise. Where they are a majority it will be a failed state.
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posted on Jun, 23 2018 @ 01:21 PM
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originally posted by: Xenogears
Have you not seen the increase in violent crime from migrants in places like germany? They bring their hell here, know it, and understand it. Moving them from one location to another won't change their capabilities or culture.


Since Germany opened their borders, the crime rate has dropped. Any source that says otherwise is lying to you.

www.reuters.com...

www.dw.com...

www.independent.co.uk...



posted on Jun, 23 2018 @ 01:30 PM
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originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Xenogears
And liberal states go about putting sanctuaries, giving them welfare, and discretly allowing them and their children to vote.


I don't see a problem with any of these things. Welfare only benefits society, sanctuary is nothing more than not prosecuting people over illegal immigration, which this proposal would eliminate anyways, and I don't think voting should be limited to citizens, only to residents.



While our population and high iq individuals reproduce little, millions upon millions of low iq migrants given the promise of welfare and sanctuaries start pouring in replacing the population.


While I don't agree with the high/low IQ point in the first place, why wouldn't high IQ people come here too? A system that enables anyone to succeed at a high quality of life is going to be very attractive to people with talent, of any intelligence level.


Not everyone can succeed. That's the point, there are plenty of individuals with very low iq that cannot function. In these countries with even lower average IQ, the proportion of individuals that cannot succeed and are a burden on society is even greater.

You might not agree, but that doesn't change the fact. You look at nobel prize winners, you look at successful inventors and entrepreneurs. And the fact that these people are even born is thanks to the revolutions in farming and medicine thanks to high IQ individuals. On their own they'd only breed like mad and die rapidly of disease or starvation, keeping their population down.

Why do you want our crime rate to go up? Why do you want the average IQ of our population to go down(which will result in dumb electorate, and even more corrupt politicians)?



posted on Jun, 23 2018 @ 01:31 PM
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originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Xenogears
Have you not seen the increase in violent crime from migrants in places like germany? They bring their hell here, know it, and understand it. Moving them from one location to another won't change their capabilities or culture.


Since Germany opened their borders, the crime rate has dropped. Any source that says otherwise is lying to you.

www.reuters.com...

www.dw.com...

www.independent.co.uk...


Violent crime has gone up, notice they disingenously mix all other crime categories.




The report used statistics from Lower Saxony - regarded as an average state - where police saw an increase of 10.4% in reported violent crimes in 2015 and 2016. Based on figures from the state's interior ministry, which keeps a separate record of alleged crimes by migrants, the report suggested that 92.1% of this increase was attributable to migrants.

bbc

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posted on Jun, 23 2018 @ 01:34 PM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: howtonhawky

originally posted by: trustmeimdoctor
I think we shouldn't detain anyone. It's a waste of money. Just boot them back across the border no matter if they want asylum or not. It's not our problem.


I am starting to think that if we are gonna detain anyone it should be violent offenders.

Actually i have always thought that but the feds keep conflating the ones who need to be stopped because of real criminality with those seeking asylum

the federal laws are too contrived to function in an effectual manner any longer.

STATES RIGHTS will fix this


and per the Constitution immigration and federal sovereignty at a border is reserved solely to the federal government and not the state.

States have no rights in this area.


so says the person who claimed that after crossing border with adult a child then separated by officials then becomes unaccompanied.

The days of bending the constitution to your will are over.

We got it wrong long ago and it will be resolved without your help if that is what it takes.

Selective interpretation is not healthy.......



posted on Jun, 23 2018 @ 01:39 PM
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originally posted by: Xenogears

originally posted by: howtonhawky
How about some xo action stating only citizens can have welfare?

Oh that does not serve the plan the admin has i suppose.


Because it would be challenged, and liberal judges would block it for years.

Besides we do not want to become mexico. Understand enough mexicans come here, and this becomes a new mexico. Generation after generation the gang members and corrupt politicians die, only to be replaced by new ones. They will bring that here.


lol

that really is not an acceptable answer but it is a truthful one.



posted on Jun, 23 2018 @ 01:52 PM
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originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Xenogears
And liberal states go about putting sanctuaries, giving them welfare, and discretly allowing them and their children to vote.


I don't see a problem with any of these things. Welfare only benefits society, sanctuary is nothing more than not prosecuting people over illegal immigration, which this proposal would eliminate anyways, and I don't think voting should be limited to citizens, only to residents.



While our population and high iq individuals reproduce little, millions upon millions of low iq migrants given the promise of welfare and sanctuaries start pouring in replacing the population.


While I don't agree with the high/low IQ point in the first place, why wouldn't high IQ people come here too? A system that enables anyone to succeed at a high quality of life is going to be very attractive to people with talent, of any intelligence level.
Where is your White Paper on the benefits of massive migration and how your proposal would eliminate the problem? It sounds a bit anecdotal rather than based on real numbers and statistics. We have seen the level of crime that comes with people living in tent housing and such. Or how about those refugees who had nice paid for apartment housing and phones and the like and they trashed it completely. People tend to not appreciate stuff that's been given to them free of charge. Its a fallacy that if you give free stuff people will magically be good and productive.



posted on Jun, 23 2018 @ 02:00 PM
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a reply to: Aazadan




Since Germany opened their borders, the crime rate has dropped. Any source that says otherwise is lying to you.
How do you know it is not the MSM lying? Merkel is likely an Elitist globalist anyway. She is going to promote what is best for the One World Government. How could she say that crime is down in the face of the raping going on there? Its been in the news..... perhaps she meant that its gone down a bit since the initial surge. That must be comforting.



posted on Jun, 23 2018 @ 02:03 PM
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originally posted by: howtonhawky
so says the person who claimed that after crossing border with adult a child then separated by officials then becomes unaccompanied.

They do.. Hence the reason the government takes custody of them.



originally posted by: howtonhawky
The days of bending the constitution to your will are over.

Not my will at all. Just telling you what the Constitution says about all of this. Secondly you didnt even know the states have nothing to do with immigration so your the last person to be lecturing me about what the Constitution says.



originally posted by: howtonhawky
We got it wrong long ago and it will be resolved without your help if that is what it takes.

and thus far nothing was done until Trump took ofice.



originally posted by: howtonhawky
Selective interpretation is not healthy.......

Neither is willful ignorance.


But by all means point out in the Constitution where it says immigration and border sovereignty belong to the states - Ill wait.
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posted on Jun, 23 2018 @ 02:06 PM
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a reply to: Aazadan

On that same page as the Reuters article is one on Italy on how France is not allowing it's borders to open up to mass migration....of the children of course....


“If for the arrogant President Macron this is not a problem, we invite him to stop insulting and to show instead some concrete generosity by opening up France’s many ports and letting children, men and women through at Ventimiglia,” he said in a statement, referring to the northeastern Italian town at the border with France.


www.reuters.com...



posted on Jun, 23 2018 @ 02:08 PM
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originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: Aazadan




Since Germany opened their borders, the crime rate has dropped. Any source that says otherwise is lying to you.
How do you know it is not the MSM lying? Merkel is likely an Elitist globalist anyway. She is going to promote what is best for the One World Government. How could she say that crime is down in the face of the raping going on there? Its been in the news..... perhaps she meant that its gone down a bit since the initial surge. That must be comforting.


Because the only people who believe the nonsense about migrant crime are the same people who believe in nonsense like a massive conspiracy between news agencies in order to somehow promote a one world government headed by Soros.



posted on Jun, 23 2018 @ 02:14 PM
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a reply to: Xenogears

And the same report you cite blamed it all on one specific demographic and then mentioned that said demographic is being treated like second class citizens.



posted on Jun, 23 2018 @ 02:16 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

the powers of the federal gov. are enumerated

do you understand that if the power was not enumerated then it belongs to the state

i do not expect you to accept that though cause it would quail your jack booted desires to give any power back to the states

instead you will lump together several previous unconstitutional rulings in order to garner your interpretation

it is clear that the feds can not get it right

they were givin power to naturalize people and they can not even get that right

by allmeans you seem like you want to continue with the failed system or just round up every one you can and deport them

that divides the country by way of civil war

is that your desire?

if not then take a deep breath and go back to the first time the states gave away there power and let's take it back.

also you can not stop what is coming from cali without civil war

it would be much easier to adhere to the constitution and get back to states rights!
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posted on Jun, 23 2018 @ 02:25 PM
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originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Xenogears
And liberal states go about putting sanctuaries, giving them welfare, and discretly allowing them and their children to vote.


I don't see a problem with any of these things. Welfare only benefits society, sanctuary is nothing more than not prosecuting people over illegal immigration, which this proposal would eliminate anyways, and I don't think voting should be limited to citizens, only to residents.



While our population and high iq individuals reproduce little, millions upon millions of low iq migrants given the promise of welfare and sanctuaries start pouring in replacing the population.


While I don't agree with the high/low IQ point in the first place, why wouldn't high IQ people come here too? A system that enables anyone to succeed at a high quality of life is going to be very attractive to people with talent, of any intelligence level.


Soros reportedly said that every person should pay for the cost of the migrants.....Im sure that most people feel warm and fuzzy to be forced to pay for this at the behest of the likes of Soros

The EU must take in "at least a million asylum-seekers annually for the foreseeable future" and ante up €15,000, or US$16,800, for each "asylum-seeker for each of the first two years to help cover housing, health care, and education costs – and to make accepting refugees more appealing to member states."
www.frontpagemag.com...

And where does Soros come off telling people they have no right to their own paychecks....oh that's right, he's a socialist....same old thing.... repeatedly.... just like Michelle telling us we have to give up our pie so others can have more.....



posted on Jun, 23 2018 @ 02:28 PM
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originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: Aazadan




Since Germany opened their borders, the crime rate has dropped. Any source that says otherwise is lying to you.
How do you know it is not the MSM lying? Merkel is likely an Elitist globalist anyway. She is going to promote what is best for the One World Government. How could she say that crime is down in the face of the raping going on there? Its been in the news..... perhaps she meant that its gone down a bit since the initial surge. That must be comforting.


Because the only people who believe the nonsense about migrant crime are the same people who believe in nonsense like a massive conspiracy between news agencies in order to somehow promote a one world government headed by Soros.


Really, so you don't believe the words out of Soros' own mouth that he believes he should personally be the head of the new World Government?????? Methinks you are like the ostrich with the head in the sand... pardon the expression, but I cant think of a more apt way to say it... or I don't know maybe the horse with the blinders on so as not to see what's really on the street?
I say to you how can you ignore the wording of Soros himself in these matters...

Soros makes little effort to conceal his contempt for this nation. He openly favors the collapse of the greenback and the decline of America in general. “The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States,” he has said. Soros praises Red China effusively and has said the totalitarian nation—which cuts babies in unauthorized pregnancies from the wombs of their mothers, tortures and kills religious dissenters such as Falun Gong members,
www.frontpagemag.com...

"stable and just WORLD ORDER"? Do you not see what's right in front of your very eyes? Although Soros is a decidedly leftist billionaire, this is by no means simply a leftist agenda. As I keep having to reiterate over and over..... the late Professor Antony Sutton who wrote "America's Secret Establishment... The Order of Skull and Bones" stated, the NWO is neither left nor right, but the synthesis of opposing factions in Hegelian dialectic. George Bush Sr. also stated that the NWO would be successful.
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posted on Jun, 23 2018 @ 02:59 PM
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Soros is probably going to be dead of old age within the next decade. He's not in a position to lead anything.



posted on Jun, 23 2018 @ 03:11 PM
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originally posted by: howtonhawky
the powers of the federal gov. are enumerated

do you understand that if the power was not enumerated then it belongs to the state


Yup I completely agree and since we are dealing with foreign relations when it comes to a border it is the purview of the Federal government. A national border is what defines national sovereignty and any person wishing to enter the US can do so provided they comply with all US laws / international laws the US is a signatory to.

But, again, show me where the constitution says the states can make agreements with foreign nations when it comes to immigration. Show me where the states have authority to deal directly with foreign countries on border issues. They cant. Its reserved to the Federal government.



originally posted by: howtonhawky
i do not expect you to accept that though cause it would quail your jack booted desires to give any power back to the states

instead you will lump together several previous unconstitutional rulings in order to garner your interpretation

Your opinion of supreme court rulings and your ignorance of the Constitution is your problem. Brush up on it and coem back and join us.




originally posted by: howtonhawky
it is clear that the feds can not get it right

Thats because previous Presidents didnt bother enforcing the laws on the books.




originally posted by: howtonhawky
they were givin power to naturalize people and they can not even get that right

and if people were coming here legally they have no problems becoming nationalized.



originally posted by: howtonhawky
by allmeans you seem like you want to continue with the failed system or just round up every one you can and deport them

No I want secure border and our laws enforced. I am all for LEGAL immigration.




originally posted by: howtonhawky
that divides the country by way of civil war

is that your desire?

if not then take a deep breath and go back to the first time the states gave away there power and let's take it back.

also you can not stop what is coming from cali without civil war

it would be much easier to adhere to the constitution and get back to states rights!

No but it seems to be Democrats goal. As for California you are, again, showing your ignorance on how the Constitution works and how supreme court rulings apply.

First a state can take all the votes they want to divide into smaller states. However only Congress can make the final decision on it. So California can pass the initiative to split but if Congress doesnt approve it, it doesnt happen.

As for leaving the Union the civil war took care of that. In Texas vs White it was decided by the Supreme Court a state may leave the union but not unilaterally. A vote in the state must be held in addition to a national referendum. Both votes must pass to start the process of leaving the Union.

If you are going to attack me at least know what the hell you are talking about.
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posted on Jun, 23 2018 @ 03:15 PM
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real funny stuff

by your account we could keep up the madness continually

i see you are in favor of failure and the NWO

you are not even in the ball park but with all that nonsense you could tie up the courts forever unless someone calls you out on your bs

it really is sadness you post such in an attempt to destroy the country

your only hope is that you are ignorant and not intentional

go blow smoke up someone else ass




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