Stormy Daniels' lawyer: Cohen was paid $500K by Putin-tied company after election

a reply to: Agit8dChop

I never said the money went to Trump, its clear its insinuated that the money was used to pay off Stormy.

Which is a laughing joke because Trumps a Billionaire

That's what Daniels's lawyer implied as a possibility.

But let me back you up for a second here. According to Trump's comments, he didn't know anything about anything. Cohen's initial statement was that he paid it without telling Trump, out of his own pocket and was not compensated. Now Giuliani has has popped up and spun a few yarns but the gist of the bunch seems to be that Trump didn't know about it until just recently AND YET, Trump supposedly paid Cohen back before knowing about it.

Whatever the case may be, your argument that "Trump is a billionaire" is already looking bad because somebody else *did* pay off Stormy Daniels (Michael Cohen) and that money did *not* come from Trump.

Sorry, I'm just over your's and a number of other posters blatant attempts at pushing a false narrative.

Let me flip that around for you. I'm tired of people being angry at me because they're gullible and largely ignorant.

Your sources are always questionable, your the poster child for CNN and it grinds my gears.

They're not, you just don't like them. Feel free to suggest some better sources. I'm genuinely curious what you consider reliable sources.

I know Trumps not perfect, but the alternative to him was miles worse

I thought they both sucked but Trump was way worse.

Sometimes I think we need a dictatorship so we can hang all the traitors and propagandists.. then return to a Republic so it can be run how it was meant to be run... wishful thinking right

How you can say that without realizing how off the charts authoritarian it is? That's honestly scary and you're far from the first Trump supporter I've seen say similar on ATS. Scary.

a reply to: Kharron


Hillary Clinton did all those things you describe. And it was before 2017. Cohen needs to take a number and wait his turn.

a reply to: theantediluvian

Whatever the case may be, your argument that "Trump is a billionaire" is already looking bad because somebody else *did* pay off Stormy Daniels (Michael Cohen) and that money did *not* come from Trump.

Seems like I remember part of the story surrounding the payoff included Cohen taking out a $130k mortgage... the exact amount paid to the porno queen in question. Why now are you making an assumption that the money must have come from someone else?

TheRedneck

Just to follow up with some confirmation for all the "fake news" screeching at the beginning of the thread.

AT&T has confirmed the payments to Cohen/Essential Consulting, LLC.

AT&T confirms it paid Michael Cohen for 'insights' on Trump admin

AT&T confirmed Tuesday that it paid President Trump’s lawyer Michael Cohen for “insights” on the Trump administration.

AT&T said in a statement obtained by The Hill that Cohen's company "was one of several firms we engaged in early 2017 to provide insights into understanding the new administration."

"They did no legal or lobbying work for us, and the contract ended in December 2017," AT&T added in its statement, which was first reported by CNBC.

NYT has reviewed the records and is confirming them. They've also got a confirmation from Columbus Nova's attorney:

Firm Tied to Russian Oligarch Made Payments to Michael Cohen

Financial records reviewed by The New York Times show that Mr. Cohen, President Trump’s personal lawyer and longtime fixer, used the shell company, Essential Consultants L.L.C., for an array of business activities that went far beyond what was publicly known. Transactions adding up to at least $4.4 million flowed through Essential Consultants starting shortly before Mr. Trump was elected president and continuing to this January, the records show.

Among the previously unreported transactions were payments last year of about $500,000 from Columbus Nova, an investment firm in New York whose biggest client is a company controlled by Viktor Vekselberg, the Russian oligarch. A lawyer for Columbus Nova, in a statement on Tuesday, described the money as a consulting fee that had nothing to do with Mr. Vekselberg.

Here's more:

“Columbus Nova is a management company solely owned and controlled by Americans,” said Richard Owens, a lawyer for Mr. Intrater and Columbus Nova. “After the inauguration, the firm hired Michael Cohen as a business consultant regarding potential sources of capital and potential investments in real estate and other ventures. Reports today that Viktor Vekselberg used Columbus Nova as a conduit for payments to Michael Cohen are false. Neither Viktor Vekselberg nor anyone else other than Columbus Nova’s owners were involved in the decision to hire Cohen or provide funding for his engagement.”

I don't want to paste the whole article but they also confirm from records the transactions from AT&T, Novartis and Korea Aerospace Industries.

a reply to: MiddleInsite

lol, chide away and defend a porn star

originally posted by: Phage
It is your assumption there were bribes and crimes involved.

No its not. People were indicted (and I believe convicted).

thehill.com...

Incorrect. Only the President could have stopped it, based on the disapproval of even a single member of CFIUS.

Right, so had one member disapproved, it could have jeopardized the deal.

I suppose all of the CFIUS members were bribed, and the president as well. And the NRC.

So if all werent bribed, that is somehow proof that one couldnt have been bribed?

Mueller isn't going after Cohen.

He is questioning the oligarch from the OP. He supposedly gave the NY office evidence that they uised to raid cohens office.

Again, the U1 situation is far more disturbing at every level, and yet the investigation was was handled in basically the opposite to that of cohen.

a reply to: theantediluvian

Columbus Nova, an investment firm in New York whose biggest client is a company controlled by Viktor Vekselberg, the Russian oligarch.

That much at least appears to be false. It appears the companies have a different relationship than that stated. But, it is the NYT...

TheRedneck

a reply to: Kharron

No its not treason, no we dont have examples of it being an impeachable offense.

We know for example that Obama plead guilty to campaign finance violatations, and no one even mentioned impeachment for it.

This is not treason because paying off a porn star is not that serious of a crime.

Again, why would you not support an equal investigation into bill clinton getting paid by a russain bank.

Or if we are going to go with your interpretation of treason.

Why shouldnt hillarys team be investigated for treason for paying a foriegn agent to get dirt on trump from the kremlin, not disclosing that properly, and then lying about it for a year?

a reply to: TheRedneck

Seems like I remember part of the story surrounding the payoff included Cohen taking out a $130k mortgage... the exact amount paid to the porno queen in question. Why now are you making an assumption that the money must have come from someone else?

I'm not making any assumption about where the money came from. I was simply stating that the money came out of Michael Cohen's account and that according to everyone (Trump, Cohen and Giuliani), it did *not* come from Trump.

Trump claimed ignorance of the whole thing, Cohen claimed that he was not paid back for the payment to Daniels and Giuliani came in and said that Cohen was repaid through a series of $35k payments that covered the payoff and "incidentals" but who really knows? They're all full of # and telling conflicting stories.

Whatever the case, the money came from Cohen's account. Whether or not he got it from a mortgage or not, I do not know. The poster I was responded to thought it was silly on its face that anyone else would pay Trump's hush money because he's a billionaire but the fact remains, somebody else did pay it — whether it was Cohen with money from a mortgage or Cohen with money from somewhere else.

a reply to: TheRedneck

Thank you for such a thorough run down and links. Admittedly, it is apparently obvious such financial transactions have absolutely nothing to do with Russian collusion during the 2016 election nor Trump. That is why Mueller passed it on to the State to investigate if there is a possible money laundering scenario. Mueller found no connection for his investigation!

For some silly posters salivating at this news is entertaining. Cohen obviously has more than one client and certainly gained notoriety by letting interested clients know that he was an attorney for Trump may have acquired more regarding real estate. That is called marketing.

I certainly believe that an investigation should ensue to determine whether it is business as usual or a nefarious criminal activity. As far as a civil attorney gaining access to an active criminal investigation in process and sharing via media? That should definitely be investigated as well. It stinks of desperation on Daniel's attorney and on the actual criminal investigation itself!

My instinct is telling me that neither civil nor criminal case has any real leg to stand on and they both are attempting to benefit on public illusion and proproganda!

Note: Grambler: wish to give you kudos too. Government should be equal! I cannot understand why so many would not welcome a real investigation into the Clinton's at least to clear the air. Is it because so many insiders have now been retired, removed, or fired in the FBI and DOJ that they fear the Clinton's may actually incur a real investigation that is not stacked in their favor from day one?

a reply to: Grambler

They weren't convicted for anything relating to Uranium One. Nor were they convicted for bribing officials or anything like that. They were convicted of arranging a deal to inflate costs in a no bid contract to essential bilk the parent company (Tenem) and split the difference.

I'd also like to point out that the CI that was supposed to blow open Uranium One according to Sara Carter, Hannity, Toensing/diGenova(that's how he capitalizes it) et al turned out to be a complete flop.

It's sad to see how desperate the folks who want to fill their pockets, will go.. to keep perpetuating the game...


America is OVER it.....


You LOST the information war.... just saying

originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: Grambler

They weren't convicted for anything relating to Uranium One. Nor were they convicted for bribing officials or anything like that. They were convicted of arranging a deal to inflate costs in a no bid contract to essential bilk the parent company (Tenem) and split the difference.

I'd also like to point out that the CI that was supposed to blow open Uranium One according to Sara Carter, Hannity, Toensing/diGenova(that's how he capitalizes it) et al turned out to be a complete flop.

Oh so you can read my posts!

Sweet!

Nonetheless, there was criminality with players involved in the U1 deal. And there were accusations of bribery from the CI, which were not taken seriously, and he was asked (maybe told) not to discuss his claims with congress.

As I said intially to you, I have no problem looking in to thes epayments, but all payments like this should be looked into with the same varacity.

The U1 deal and Bills payment was more disturbing in very way, which no one has addressed, they just say well there were little thing like the convictions weren't about bribery.

I outlined it clearly.

I also see you think this could be a case of failing to register as a foriegn lobbyist. Again, you ignore that its awfully convenient that trump connected people get charged or investigated for this (and have a pen registry on therir phone and office raided), while hillary connected people like the Podesta group get asked to please retroactively file paperwork.

There is a double standard here and you know it.

a reply to: theantediluvian

There are reasonable explanations, already covered in other threads, for the confusion you describe. It is certainly not uncommon for anyone in the position businessman Trump was in to have a standing order with his/her attorney to cover any extortion attempts up to a certain amount at the attorney's discretion. Thus, Trump may not have known about the payoff, as it would just be another bill. As to the repayment, it was apparently spread out over multiple payments to ease cash flow. That as well would likely not arouse Trump's curiosity of what exactly the payments were for. Cohen was likely referring to himself as the payee because he did indeed provide the initial cash payment without going to Trump. His statement about not being reimbursed is indeed curious, and appears false on the surface, but I am not going to demand blood over a single misspeak until I know more about the case (which I likely will never know).

Maybe he hadn't received full compensation at the time, or maybe he was thinking about a direct compensation instead of payments... in any case, that's far from a smoking gun. It seems to have more in common with Sessions' statement of never meeting with Russians during his confirmation... of course he did, as a Senator, but he was thinking in terms of the campaign. That wasn't a lie either... it was a difference in context.

TheRedneck

a reply to: Grambler

Posts? Posts? You mean you've been posting in this thread?

TheRedneck

a reply to: CynConcepts

You're very welcome. Something about all this just didn't pass the smell test for me, so I decided to go ahead and research it. It beats arguing over what ifs and assumptions without merit.

I will say I have a sneaking suspicion of what is about to happen in this case, but I'm gong to keep it to myself for now... no evidence yet, just a wild sophisticated hunch.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

I'm not sure what you're disputing. The Wikipedia page for Columbus Nova has been changed to show Intrater as the owner. It used to say that the owner was Veklesberg and that it was a subsidiary of Renova Group.

Their website has issues but you should be able to pull up the profile page for Andrew intrater

Andrew Intrater

Mr. Intrater has, since January 2000, been the Chief Executive Officer of Columbus Nova, the US investment vehicle for the Renova Group which is a multi-national, Zurich-based industrial holding. He is a former Director and current Member of the Executive Board of Renova Group, a global leader in energy, base metals and mining industries. In 1985 he founded ATI, the predecessor of Oryx Technology Corp. Mr. Intrater served Oryx as President and Chief Operating Officer until 1999 as it grew into a leading manufacturer of semiconductor test equipment. While at Oryx he led its 1994 IPO and oversaw two strategic acquisitions, including the purchase of Zenith's power converter division. He also introduced a transportable, secondary ion mass spectrometer to QA groups in the hard disk and magnetic read/write head markets.

Mr. Intrater holds a B.S. in Chemical Engineering from Rutgers University and performed graduate studies in Materials Science at Columbia University.

a reply to: Grambler

Are these the "oligarchs" stopped and searched at the airport?
Why were they released if they are criminals?
www.vanityfair.com...

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Grambler

Are these the "oligarchs" stopped and searched at the airport?
Why were they released if they are criminals?

It was. It was also the same one that trump sanctioned.

However, just because they were released doesnt mean they are not criminals. The FBI could still be gathering evidence on them.

a reply to: Grambler

If they had ANYTHING on those russians Mueller would not have allowed them to leave the country.

This is more bs.