Child is killed during school walk out against gun violence

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Grambler

How many other children have died in the recent school protests? 20? 30? As many as the number of school children shot in recent school shootings?

Just because students get shot doesn’t mean that schools now should intentionally place them in dangerous situations where they may be harmed

Just being in school is a dangerous situation.

More kids by far die of auto accidents than school shootings

Ahh. I see. You’re one of the ones who thinks school shootings are so rare, we shouldn’t worry about them. Far more kids have died in school shootings than have been hit by a car while protesting, so...

The point is you are arbitrarily taking one issue and saying because it is bad then schools should encourage kids to be in more dangerous situations

It is perfectly reasonable to want to do something to stop school shootings, while at the same time acknowledging that placing kids in other dangerous situations such as encouraging school walkouts is a very bad idea

a reply to: TheRedneck

There are lots of problems in the world. Guns are one of them. This thread is about protesting gun violence, hence the discussion about guns. You want to discuss the other problems facing children, like horrible parents who have no right to have children? Let’s start another thread.

a reply to: odzeandennz

Yeah...but when the event happened because of a political event...sorry it's already been politicized, by the anti-gun crowd. That goes both ways, if you don't like it, maybe get the other side to stop, funny how they don't like their tactics used against them, wonder why that is.

Just being in school is a dangerous situation.

No it isn´t, stop projecting your fears, stop fearmongering. You will life more free.

You could walk out of your house tomorrow and get hit by a wreckingball. You could stand up in anger now and stumble over your own feet, possibly killing yourself. This all can happen but the % that it will is so low that it´s not even worth the thought.

Bringing kids to a busy road, during schooltime for protesting something, and not being able to care for their safety, that´s a dangerous situation. That´s almost a guarantee.

I´m 100% with Grambler here, even if you forget and ignore all the other stuff that is wrong with this and that you defend or dislike whatever....

It was a unnecessary risk and now a child is dead because of that political nonesense that has to go down during school time.

a reply to: kaylaluv

Actually, this thread is about the dangers inherent in trying to get kids to protest when they should be in a classroom.

Notice I didn't use the word "guns" once in that sentence?

TheRedneck

a reply to: Grambler

Encouraging the implementation of your rights as a citizen is not a bad idea. Letting kids go outside without proper supervision IS a bad idea. The vast majority of school protests happened with no harm done to any student, so the vast majority of school protests were handled appropriately. The fact that this one wasn’t, doesn’t mean we should stop all school protests.

a reply to: kelbtalfenek

So when a person takes a gun and shoots people..."not for it's indended purpose" its the shooters fault not the millions of legal gun owners. What part of that doesn't the left understand?

I don't know where you stand on that issue...just saw that and was like hmm.

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: kaylaluv

Actually, this thread is about the dangers inherent in trying to get kids to protest when they should be in a classroom.

Notice I didn't use the word "guns" once in that sentence?

TheRedneck

Then why all the talk about all the other things that could harm children?

There is nothing inherently dangerous about kids being outside, as long as they are properly supervised.

Being from the UK I don't give a snap about guns. I have little to say on the subject and care not about that trifle.

What I find sickening is that here we have a situation where the schools openly and clearly used children as pawns in some political crap the kids probably don't give a shiny one about. They used the kids to score their points, presumably anti-gun protagonists think this is a good thing?

And now that some kid has died, if anyone speaks out and states how they feel about the issue it is they that are being accused of politicising the situation and using it to score points?

The level of stupid is incomprehensible.

Seriously...some people need to take a break from politics, period. Go out and be a f***ing human being. Get off ATS.

Always the same group of people, I come on here once, maybe twice a mnth at a push. That has been how I use ATS since a couple of years ago...every time I come here, same few people.

Political internet warriors...go outside, shut up about your stupid ideas and beliefs and be a human being.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Grambler

Encouraging the implementation of your rights as a citizen is not a bad idea. Letting kids go outside without proper supervision IS a bad idea. The vast majority of school protests happened with no harm done to any student, so the vast majority of school protests were handled appropriately. The fact that this one wasn’t, doesn’t mean we should stop all school protests.

Was this protest worth the cost of a life of a child?

a reply to: kaylaluv

The fact that this one wasn’t, doesn’t mean we should stop all school protests.

The fact that this one wasn't, means we shouldn't be encouraging, much less organizing, school protests.

Do you really believe 11-year-olds got the permits all by themselves? Made up the signs all by themselves? Organized the protest all by themselves?

TheRedneck

a reply to: uninspired

kin liability

It´s the modus operandi for the left extremists. Just like Hitler put every jew, every crippled, every gypsy, (...) into one basket that´s really what the extreme left is doing now. But they don´t see it or ignore it, because "it´s for the right thing".

A slippery slope for sure.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Grambler

Encouraging the implementation of your rights as a citizen is not a bad idea. Letting kids go outside without proper supervision IS a bad idea. The vast majority of school protests happened with no harm done to any student, so the vast majority of school protests were handled appropriately. The fact that this one wasn’t, doesn’t mean we should stop all school protests.

Just because students weren’t harmed does not mean they were a good idea or that there was proper supervision

There have been many incidents with these walkouts of students engaging in vandalism and other bad behaviors

Encouraging students to walk out of school is not teaching them about their rights, it is making them political chess pieces

Could children not be taught to exercise there rights within the confines of school?

And what is funny is that you have already made the argument against this position when you said you would not want 6 year olds doing this

Why must you destroy the rights of 6 year olds you monster!!!!

By not encouraging them to walk out of school, you not only take away their rights, but fail to teach them a valuable lesson about their rights!!!

Or you rightfully would fear for the safety of 6 year olds in this situation, much as I do for 11 year olds

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Grambler

It says right there he left the designated area.
This is tragic but the school is not responsible in any way.

Then you have to agree that the shooting that took place was no ones fault but the shooter, and the FBI, and law enforcement that dropped the ball right? The millions of legal law abiding gun owners nor the NRA were at fault, yet they want to punish them for the action of 1 person.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Grambler

Encouraging the implementation of your rights as a citizen is not a bad idea. Letting kids go outside without proper supervision IS a bad idea. The vast majority of school protests happened with no harm done to any student, so the vast majority of school protests were handled appropriately. The fact that this one wasn’t, doesn’t mean we should stop all school protests.

Was this protest worth the cost of a life of a child?

Stupid question. The correct question should be, was not having enough teachers supervising the protest worth the cost of a life of a child.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Grambler

not encouraging political activism

Ah. Your real issue.

It is why the kid is dead, yes? Had the school or whatever group, not tapped the kids in the school for a political agenda the kid would still be alive, would he not?

a reply to: kaylaluv

Then why all the talk about all the other things that could harm children?

You are the one who keeps bringing up "because school shootings."

There is nothing inherently dangerous about kids being outside, as long as they are properly supervised.

Where are protests typically staged? Next to busy highways! Are you claiming there is nothing inherently damgerous about playing next to heavy traffic?

TheRedneck

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Grambler

Encouraging the implementation of your rights as a citizen is not a bad idea. Letting kids go outside without proper supervision IS a bad idea. The vast majority of school protests happened with no harm done to any student, so the vast majority of school protests were handled appropriately. The fact that this one wasn’t, doesn’t mean we should stop all school protests.

Was this protest worth the cost of a life of a child?

Stupid question. The correct question should be, was not having enough teachers supervising the protest worth the cost of a life of a child.

No.

Was the protest worth it?

If there was no protest, the child would still be alive.

Was the protest worth the life of the child?

a reply to: Grambler

Like I said before. If a kid is considered old enough to handle a gun, with supervision, then he’s old enough to handle a protest, with supervision. Should we ban all guns because some dumb ass parent left theirs sitting out and a kid who didn’t know what they were doing got hold of it and shot their younger sister? Should we ban all school protests because one school didn’t provide adequate supervision?

a reply to: kaylaluv
Why not make nails with heads?

The most correct question to be asked from the beginning:

Why even do it?

It was uncalled for, it´s not the teachers business. If they´d stayed in school, no reason to have enough teachers so supervise, because they are right where they belong. In their classrooms, teaching children, not using them as political tools.