Protests rock Sacramento for second day after fatal police shooting of unarmed black man

a reply to: howtonhawky
Okay I'll be the voice of reason.
Did you see the video?
He approached the police in the dark with something in his hand after he was told to freeze. Not smart on his part.

To the ones calling out the police here. I'd like to see you handle the situation differently. It's a tragedy that could of been avoided if he simply followed their instructions. Riots will most likely take place and the courts will find the police involved innocent like every othere incident like this.

Meanwhile nothing will change. Fatherless children will continue to be gunned down by police who are required to uphold the law in communities that are more like a warzone than anything. Really who is to blame?

originally posted by: JAY1980
a reply to: howtonhawky
Okay I'll be the voice of reason.
Did you see the video?
He approached the police in the dark with something in his hand after he was told to freeze. Not smart on his part.

To the ones calling out the police here. I'd like to see you handle the situation differently. It's a tragedy that could of been avoided if he simply followed their instructions. Riots will most likely take place and the courts will find the police involved innocent like every othere incident like this.

Meanwhile nothing will change. Fatherless children will continue to be gunned down by police who are required to uphold the law in communities that are more like a warzone than anything. Really who is to blame?

I only listened to the audio and i think you are misrepresenting the scene very much


you are the first report that says he approached the police

the audio and all news reports say that he was gunned down in a back yard that they chased him there or he was already in the yard is unclear to me

but to spout the weak bs that he approached the officers is misrepresenting what happened.

perhaps by approach you may mean that he turned around when asked or came foward when asked but do not make it out out like he was charging the officers cause they were charging him.

a reply to: JAY1980

i do not watch murder porn but every write up of the video shows that he was chased into his grandmothers yard and shot

he was standing in his grandmothers driveway and they yelled show me your hands and he ran to the back yard where they pursued and gunned down an unarmed innocent man for being in his own driveway while black in the dark holding a cell phone

originally posted by: JAY1980
a reply to: howtonhawky
Okay I'll be the voice of reason.
Did you see the video?
He approached the police in the dark with something in his hand after he was told to freeze. Not smart on his part.

To the ones calling out the police here. I'd like to see you handle the situation differently. It's a tragedy that could of been avoided if he simply followed their instructions. Riots will most likely take place and the courts will find the police involved innocent like every othere incident like this.

Meanwhile nothing will change. Fatherless children will continue to be gunned down by police who are required to uphold the law in communities that are more like a warzone than anything. Really who is to blame?

If that is true then the police are fully justified. Regardless, rioters should be arrested. A protest, fine (though, as usual, BLM are acting like morons... even the protest with their hands up... the guy who was shot didn't have his hands up).

originally posted by: JAY1980
a reply to: howtonhawky
Okay I'll be the voice of reason.
Did you see the video?
He approached the police in the dark with something in his hand after he was told to freeze. Not smart on his part.

To the ones calling out the police here. I'd like to see you handle the situation differently. It's a tragedy that could of been avoided if he simply followed their instructions. Riots will most likely take place and the courts will find the police involved innocent like every othere incident like this.

Meanwhile nothing will change. Fatherless children will continue to be gunned down by police who are required to uphold the law in communities that are more like a warzone than anything. Really who is to blame?

so did you see the video?? before asking me if i did while giving a false account of events


voice of treason not reason

I can see that happening, it is not right but it will happen occassionally. A cop mistakes a cell phone for a gun. It is tragic that it had to happen to this guy, I know I would be upset if it happened to a friend.

These kind of things do happen occasionally, and they are not right, but that is the way it is, a fair share of white people also get shot by cops. I do not know how that neighborhood is there, maybe there were some circumstances that caused this to happen. This needs to be worked out in an unbias court environment.

a reply to: howtonhawky

I watched the video. Can't see if he really did have something in his hand, but didn't look like he had his hands up and he was running from police. It's disingenuous to say the police shot him in his backyard and leave it at that... that is not the whole story. He was running from police and failed to act as instructed.

originally posted by: UKTruth
a reply to: howtonhawky

I watched the video. Can't see if he really did have something in his hand, but didn't look like he had his hands up and he was running from police. It's disingenuous to say the police shot him in his backyard and leave it at that... that is not the whole story. He was running from police and failed to act as instructed.

running from police is not an executable offense

the other poster claimed he was running toward the police now you say away

the police say he had a phone and not a weapon in the audio

as i said he was standing in his driveway they told him to show his hands(with no authority to do so he was not a wanted man nor was he spotted doing crime) he ran to the back yard and was gunned down. They had no right or necessity to go after him. After all they were not looking for a violent person only a possible thief.

unjustified and without reason or logic

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: JAY1980
a reply to: howtonhawky
Okay I'll be the voice of reason.
Did you see the video?
He approached the police in the dark with something in his hand after he was told to freeze. Not smart on his part.

To the ones calling out the police here. I'd like to see you handle the situation differently. It's a tragedy that could of been avoided if he simply followed their instructions. Riots will most likely take place and the courts will find the police involved innocent like every othere incident like this.

Meanwhile nothing will change. Fatherless children will continue to be gunned down by police who are required to uphold the law in communities that are more like a warzone than anything. Really who is to blame?

If that is true then the police are fully justified. Regardless, rioters should be arrested. A protest, fine (though, as usual, BLM are acting like morons... even the protest with their hands up... the guy who was shot didn't have his hands up).

not true just bs

They might as well have been 3 hunters in the snow killing a doe.

originally posted by: howtonhawky

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: JAY1980
a reply to: howtonhawky
Okay I'll be the voice of reason.
Did you see the video?
He approached the police in the dark with something in his hand after he was told to freeze. Not smart on his part.

To the ones calling out the police here. I'd like to see you handle the situation differently. It's a tragedy that could of been avoided if he simply followed their instructions. Riots will most likely take place and the courts will find the police involved innocent like every othere incident like this.

Meanwhile nothing will change. Fatherless children will continue to be gunned down by police who are required to uphold the law in communities that are more like a warzone than anything. Really who is to blame?

If that is true then the police are fully justified. Regardless, rioters should be arrested. A protest, fine (though, as usual, BLM are acting like morons... even the protest with their hands up... the guy who was shot didn't have his hands up).

not true just bs

We could just let the facts come out first instead of letting the MSM drive their divisive narrative they seem to love.

I'd love to see protests for the 99.9% of black men killed over gang beefs and all the other nonsense. This is a tragic event, but no one can take BLM serious when they ignore the real issues. Black lives matter only when it is taken by a white cop.

originally posted by: howtonhawky
a reply to: JAY1980

i do not watch murder porn but every write up of the video shows that he was chased into his grandmothers yard and shot

he was standing in his grandmothers driveway and they yelled show me your hands and he ran to the back yard where they pursued and gunned down an unarmed innocent man for being in his own driveway while black in the dark holding a cell phone

The moment you don't follow instructions or attempt to evade police, you are creating a situation that may not end well. The victim has to share some blame.

I do think cops are too quick to shoot and I don't like how cops are becoming 'roided out military wannabes but at the same time, they are doing dangerous work.

It is impossible to prevent unintentional shootings and accidents. It is easy to armchair quarterback when you aren't there. Videos don't even tell the whole story most of the time.

originally posted by: howtonhawky

originally posted by: UKTruth
a reply to: howtonhawky

I watched the video. Can't see if he really did have something in his hand, but didn't look like he had his hands up and he was running from police. It's disingenuous to say the police shot him in his backyard and leave it at that... that is not the whole story. He was running from police and failed to act as instructed.

running from police is not an executable offense

the other poster claimed he was running toward the police now you say away

the police say he had a phone and not a weapon in the audio

as i said he was standing in his driveway they told him to show his hands(with no authority to do so he was not a wanted man nor was he spotted doing crime) he ran to the back yard and was gunned down. They had no right or necessity to go after him. After all they were not looking for a violent person only a possible thief.

unjustified and without reason or logic

He was asked to show his hands and didn't. He ran.
Police did what they had to do. If you run from the police you should expect to be shot. Won't always happen, but you sure run the risk.
When a police officer gives you instruction, you obey. There is no more to it.

Here's a harsh truth - the atmosphere of police vs the black community and the heightened tension is one that the black community has created.

a reply to: UKTruth

There's video from the airship that was overhead. I'm not going to link it because it's not pixelated out in any way at all, so it's video of a person being shot. It's not hard to find.

He wasn't running towards, or away from, the officers; he was moving towards them when the first rounds were fired. That is, of course, after they chased him all the way around the house. The initial call that came in was for somebody smashing out windows of cars, including the vehicle of the caller. The airship gets overhead and finds him in one yard, in the process of climbing over the fence and into the yard he winds up shot in.


Correction: the airship finds him running through one backyard toward the fence. At the time the video picks up, the airship is radioing that they just saw him break the window of a residence. Then they watch him climb the fence.

a reply to: UKTruth

I went to highschool in Northern Virginia, close to Wash DC, and lots of the kids in the highschools I attended were very affuent. There were even senator's kids, etc.

Lots of house parties, drinking drugs, etc. And when the cops were called, the kids would always run. I remember being amazed when I'd hear about it- having the gall to run from cops does seem crazy to me...

However, I would like to point out that never, not once, did any of those incidents end in a shooting. The kids almost invariably got away and the few who got caught got some sort of ticket.

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: UKTruth

There's video from the airship that was overhead. I'm not going to link it because it's not pixelated out in any way at all, so it's video of a person being shot. It's not hard to find.

He wasn't running towards, or away from, the officers; he was moving towards them when the first rounds were fired. That is, of course, after they chased him all the way around the house. The initial call that came in was for somebody smashing out windows of cars, including the vehicle of the caller. The airship gets overhead and finds him in one yard, in the process of climbing over the fence and into the yard he winds up shot in.

Correction: the airship finds him running through one backyard toward the fence. At the time the video picks up, the airship is radioing that they just saw him break the window of a residence. Then they watch him climb the fence.

So that would be worse, then... he was moving towards the officers and not obeying instructions. Not surprised he was shot.

originally posted by: zosimov
a reply to: UKTruth

I went to highschool in Northern Virginia, close to Wash DC, and lots of the kids in the highschools I attended were very affuent. There were even senator's kids, etc.

Lots of house parties, drinking drugs, etc. And when the cops were called, the kids would always run. I remember being amazed when I'd hear about it- having the gall to run from cops does seem crazy to me...

However, I would like to point out that never, not once, did any of those incidents end in a shooting. The kids almost invariably got away and the few who got caught got some sort of ticket.

The vast majority of the time when someone tries to evade a cop, they don't get shot... black or white. There are literally millions of arrest every year and very few result in someone getting killed under questionable circumstances. You are talking maybe a dozen annually.

However, there will be cases that escalate. You have to look at the ENTIRE circumstance of events to draw any conclusions. A cop called out to a rowdy house party in an affluent neighborhood is not the same situation as a cop called to a rowdy house party in a not so nice area. Different demographics. To deny other wise, is to deny reality.

I went to high school in a very affluent area. It was mostly white. When I went a house party in that area, sure they may be a fist fight every now and then and some drunken behavior, but that was the extent of it. On the other hand, when I went to house parties in my hood (all black and lower class), you knew any fist fight or disagreement could result in a someone getting shot. Cops know this.

In this case, they are called to an area at night regarding someone breaking windows. They guy is running and it is dark. They are already on edge because of the circumstance and a volatile situation is created. I'm not going to Monday morning quarterback it.

Maybe they acted too quickly, but to just always protest and assume cops are out hunting down black men is getting ridiculous especially when you consider all these protestors are exponentially more likely to lose their lives at the hands of their own community.

a reply to: zosimov

Different times.
The black community leaders have declared war on the police, marching and calling for the death of police officers.
I really can't blame the police for treating these situations as life or death situations these days. Not quite house party stuff.

a reply to: Edumakated

Man, I can see your point and very few, if any, of my classmates were carrying.
Heroin overdoses, yeah that happened. Tazers and other weapons (knives, bottles, bats) used and a dark undercurrent of violence (ie: a fight breaking out often), yes.

But few guns that I recall.