Breaking News! third AATP UFO Video Has Been Released!

originally posted by: KansasGirl
a reply to: SacredLore

The thing about Grant Cameron though.....he believes that the President is the one who is in control of the US. He believes that the President is the guy who has access to all of the top secret secrets above anyone else. He doesn't believe that agents or agencies within the US government would go rogue or do illegal things because "too many honest people would stand up and reveal that stuff."

So, he's naieve about that. I like his work and his information but it has to be viewed knowing that he doesn't think there is a "Deep State" or that the President could possibly be left out.

Grant Cameron, with all due respect, they basically bought him...off! They offered he could gather all those questions from the UFO community to bring to Elizondo. Whoopee!

You don’t hear much from him lately, do you?

He wanted in, and they let him in.


I don't blame him. If I were a big shot and they said to me. " Come on in, get some of this glory and green"

I'd come on in

originally posted by: KansasGirl
a reply to: SacredLore

The thing about Grant Cameron though.....he believes that the President is the one who is in control of the US. He believes that the President is the guy who has access to all of the top secret secrets above anyone else. He doesn't believe that agents or agencies within the US government would go rogue or do illegal things because "too many honest people would stand up and reveal that stuff."

So, he's naieve about that. I like his work and his information but it has to be viewed knowing that he doesn't think there is a "Deep State" or that the President could possibly be left out.

Exactly what my issue with him has been as well. I'm also a little put off by his belief or trust in people like Dan Smith, who honestly seems like he has been manipulated by Pandolfi and the IC. He also talks too fast and doesn't always listen well to others, but thats nitpicking.

I'm wondering why Richard Dolan has barely said anything about the last several months. I think he's done 2 interviews and like most of us here, thinks there is a conspicuous amount of missing data and is highly skeptical of the aviary types spreading the info. I'm a fan of his, I hope he's not a disinformation agent, lol

originally posted by: humanoidlord
a reply to: fleabit

as i have said everthing is speculation, right now, we need more DATA

Well, we have the data (or someone does) on that particular radar system, and should know how likely or unlikely it would be for it to lock onto a solitary bird. If "bird" is eliminated, then we are onto things like.. drone. Or in this case.. a non-hot drone with no noticeable propulsion system.

I find it difficult to believe that the Navy would test top-secret drone technology (probably worth billions) near the twitchy trigger fingers of fighter pilots.

This particular sighting is much less interesting to me though - the one where they actually saw a massive, larger than sub craft under the water, and other craft above flitting about, MUCH more interesting. But of course.. no video.. so dismissed by most people. Because apparently pilots just make this crap up for fun, with no fear of losing their jobs. : )

originally posted by: 3daysgone

originally posted by: Illumimasontruth
a reply to: humanoidlord

Cold and moving around 300 miles per hour.

I'll go out on a limb here and say it is not a bird.

Could it have been a drone?

Cold, the object was cold, a drone would be hot as we don't have that kind of technology yet, st least not publicly knowledgeable

Im going off of the theory found in the documentary Unacknowledged (good movie on netflix btw) when I say this. A lot of people have called this. Many said that the U.S. Military would fake confirmations and proof of UFO's and extraterrestrial beings to add to the 'fear factory' (for lack of a better phrase) so that they can militarize space defense. Its said that this is the last thing left to do in a major government to scare and push the public.
I also believe that aliens are out there. We've had their technology for a few decades now since "The Bell" from Nazi Germany was reverse engineered from an actual UFO that landed in a neighbouring country. After the war ended we took over ownership of the bell.
www.gaia.com...

Im just telling y'all my thoughts.
A)They are gonna start a war with some beings that they shouldnt be messing with
B)we will occupy space with a military force within by 2030
C)No extraterrestrial life wants to hurt us. They would have already done so by now.

Its slightly odd that these vidos are surfacing so quickly after the release of the FA/18 Fighter Jet. The plane is a vertical landing and take off airplane please do not try to tell me we dont have UFO technology.

As far as the video goes. These guys shouldnt be that excited. They are high trainned specialists that new they were being recorded and would be representing something big. Have some professionalism... Its just a US Military Made UFO. Couldnt we have gotten some CNN crisis actors to play better US Military Fighter Pilots?

originally posted by: Willtell

originally posted by: KansasGirl
a reply to: SacredLore

The thing about Grant Cameron though.....he believes that the President is the one who is in control of the US. He believes that the President is the guy who has access to all of the top secret secrets above anyone else. He doesn't believe that agents or agencies within the US government would go rogue or do illegal things because "too many honest people would stand up and reveal that stuff."

So, he's naieve about that. I like his work and his information but it has to be viewed knowing that he doesn't think there is a "Deep State" or that the President could possibly be left out.

Grant Cameron, with all due respect, they basically bought him...off! They offered he could gather all those questions from the UFO community to bring to Elizondo. Whoopee!

You don’t hear much from him lately, do you?

He wanted in, and they let him in.


I don't blame him. If I were a big shot and they said to me. " Come on in, get some of this glory and green"

I'd come on in

I don't think that's how it happened. I follow him (and sometimes even comment) on Farcebook and he OFFERED to compile a list of questions. He asked his followers to let him know what they wanted to ask. He then gave the list to Melinda Leslie (an "abduction researcher" who I cannot stand and I think is a waste of air) and then SHE was supposed to ask Luis Elizando, but ended up talking with Jim Semivan instead. And when she did, she didn't use the list of questions, so no one got their wuestion amswered.

Grant Cameron has claimed before that he was offered the opportunity to be on the "inside" of all of these latest "disclosure" efforts but refused. I actually believe him about that.

I follow him but I think he's gone a little nutty the past year or two and fallen into the extreme WOO WOO side of ufo world. And as I mentioned before, I think he is naieve about how the US government works because he thinks that the President runs the whole show and that the President automatically gets ALL of the top secret information.

a reply to: Harpua

Yes, I agree with you. He (Grant Cameron) trusts some wacky people. The whole Dan Smith Ron Pandolfi is a good example.

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: Willtell

originally posted by: KansasGirl
a reply to: SacredLore

The thing about Grant Cameron though.....he believes that the President is the one who is in control of the US. He believes that the President is the guy who has access to all of the top secret secrets above anyone else. He doesn't believe that agents or agencies within the US government would go rogue or do illegal things because "too many honest people would stand up and reveal that stuff."

So, he's naieve about that. I like his work and his information but it has to be viewed knowing that he doesn't think there is a "Deep State" or that the President could possibly be left out.

Grant Cameron, with all due respect, they basically bought him...off! They offered he could gather all those questions from the UFO community to bring to Elizondo. Whoopee!

You don’t hear much from him lately, do you?

He wanted in, and they let him in.


I don't blame him. If I were a big shot and they said to me. " Come on in, get some of this glory and green"

I'd come on in

I don't think that's how it happened. I follow him (and sometimes even comment) on Farcebook and he OFFERED to compile a list of questions. He asked his followers to let him know what they wanted to ask. He then gave the list to Melinda Leslie (an "abduction researcher" who I cannot stand and I think is a waste of air) and then SHE was supposed to ask Luis Elizando, but ended up talking with Jim Semivan instead. And when she did, she didn't use the list of questions, so no one got their wuestion amswered.

Grant Cameron has claimed before that he was offered the opportunity to be on the "inside" of all of these latest "disclosure" efforts but refused. I actually believe him about that.

I follow him but I think he's gone a little nutty the past year or two and fallen into the extreme WOO WOO side of ufo world. And as I mentioned before, I think he is naieve about how the US government works because he thinks that the President runs the whole show and that the President automatically gets ALL of the top secret information.

Oh man, that Melinda Leslie Jim Semivan story was so frustratingly painful to listen to. She made a list of questions but didn't bring it, didn't bring a note pad to take notes and basically tried to remember everything that was said... she had a hard time even completing thoughts. Yuck

originally posted by: RiverMasonMusic
Its slightly odd that these vidos are surfacing so quickly after the release of the FA/18 Fighter Jet. The plane is a vertical landing and take off airplane please do not try to tell me we dont have UFO00 technology.

Say what? I don't know where you're getting your information on the F-18 from, but not even close. The F-18 is not, and never has been a VTOL.

There's also nothing new about it. The F-18 was developed from the YF-17, which was an entrant in the Air Force light fighter program in the 1970s. The YF-16 was selected for the Air Force, and the YF-17 was developed into the F-18A for the Navy. The F-18E/F Super Hornet first flew in 1993.

As for VTOL, there's nothing alien about it. It's simply a matter of producing enough thrust to overcome the aircraft weight. It's been around since the 1950s in various forms.

a reply to: Zaphod58

One could even argue that VTOL has been around since the late 1700's with Montgolfier :-)

The rigid body airships of Zeppelin and similar definitely had VTOL or at least near VTOL at the start of the century.

So a very old concept in the history of flight.

BT

a reply to: beetee

And then you get into the whole VTOL is actually STOVL, and other than landing is next to useless in aircraft. It's a great airshow trick though.

originally posted by: Harpua

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: Willtell

originally posted by: KansasGirl
a reply to: SacredLore

The thing about Grant Cameron though.....he believes that the President is the one who is in control of the US. He believes that the President is the guy who has access to all of the top secret secrets above anyone else. He doesn't believe that agents or agencies within the US government would go rogue or do illegal things because "too many honest people would stand up and reveal that stuff."

So, he's naieve about that. I like his work and his information but it has to be viewed knowing that he doesn't think there is a "Deep State" or that the President could possibly be left out.

Grant Cameron, with all due respect, they basically bought him...off! They offered he could gather all those questions from the UFO community to bring to Elizondo. Whoopee!

You don’t hear much from him lately, do you?

He wanted in, and they let him in.


I don't blame him. If I were a big shot and they said to me. " Come on in, get some of this glory and green"

I'd come on in

I don't think that's how it happened. I follow him (and sometimes even comment) on Farcebook and he OFFERED to compile a list of questions. He asked his followers to let him know what they wanted to ask. He then gave the list to Melinda Leslie (an "abduction researcher" who I cannot stand and I think is a waste of air) and then SHE was supposed to ask Luis Elizando, but ended up talking with Jim Semivan instead. And when she did, she didn't use the list of questions, so no one got their wuestion amswered.

Grant Cameron has claimed before that he was offered the opportunity to be on the "inside" of all of these latest "disclosure" efforts but refused. I actually believe him about that.

I follow him but I think he's gone a little nutty the past year or two and fallen into the extreme WOO WOO side of ufo world. And as I mentioned before, I think he is naieve about how the US government works because he thinks that the President runs the whole show and that the President automatically gets ALL of the top secret information.

Oh man, that Melinda Leslie Jim Semivan story was so frustratingly painful to listen to. She made a list of questions but didn't bring it, didn't bring a note pad to take notes and basically tried to remember everything that was said... she had a hard time even completing thoughts. Yuck

That's right! She didn't take notes either. The telling part of that was how excited she was and how long she spent relaying how SHE taught Semivan about abduction stories during their conversation. Shows that she just wants recognition, AND she is not too bright if she thinks Semivan really is unaware of abduction stories. Ridiculous.

originally posted by: fleabit

Well, we have the data (or someone does) on that particular radar system, and should know how likely or unlikely it would be for it to lock onto a solitary bird. If "bird" is eliminated, then we are onto things like.. drone. Or in this case.. a non-hot drone with no noticeable propulsion system.

I find it difficult to believe that the Navy would test top-secret drone technology (probably worth billions) near the twitchy trigger fingers of fighter pilots.

We can interpret as much as we want, but based on the data available it won't prove anything.

It's like showing you 30 seconds of a football match and then asking you to analyze the entire game. That's not how it works, and they should know (and I'm sure they do).

The obvious disconnect between their claims and the provided information strikes me as cynical. The way things are now, it seems to be more about religion and faith than about science and evidence. Perhaps that's intended, who knows?

a reply to: BASSPLYR

but most of them dont appear at all

Just incase anyone missed it, over at reddit an eagle eyed user noticed the GIMBAL video and the new GO FAST video both have the same PRF code in the hud. Its for laser guided munitions which would imply that they are both clips from the same video/aircraft/pilots. Also, the pilots sound remarkably similar.

www.reddit.com...

Wow! Only 20 or so seconds of footage of the object? Why only around 20 seconds? Most of the video is explaining the indicators on the HUD display. I am inclined to claim this is a completely fabricated hoax. If the HUD system is so new then it would be classified and not available to the general public. From the reactions of the pilots or voice over or whatever, it doesn't appear to be taken seriously. This is a hoax to garner attention to the website an inevitable money grab.

originally posted by: zetaReticulous
Just incase anyone missed it, over at reddit an eagle eyed user noticed the GIMBAL video and the new GO FAST video both have the same PRF code in the hud. Its for laser guided munitions which would imply that they are both clips from the same video/aircraft/pilots. Also, the pilots sound remarkably similar.

www.reddit.com...

Yes,

I also started a thread with a nuts and bolts discussion of the TTSA clips on the ‘aircraft projects’ forum here at ATS.

Some highly respected members discuss the PRF code among other topics.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Please keep any discussion / questions in line with aircraft concepts . The whole UFO fringe thing isn’t of that much interest over there. With that said I have had great feed back and respected responses from the guys and girls over in that forum.

a reply to: humanoidlord

on radar? well if they're going stupid fast yeah probably not.

originally posted by: TritonTaranis

originally posted by: 3daysgone

originally posted by: Illumimasontruth
a reply to: humanoidlord

Cold and moving around 300 miles per hour.

I'll go out on a limb here and say it is not a bird.

Could it have been a drone?

Cold, the object was cold, a drone would be hot as we don't have that kind of technology yet, st least not publicly knowledgeable

It shows up as white with the water dark in the background. That means it gives off heat. It shows up dark when it is reversed with the water light in the background.

originally posted by: 3daysgone

originally posted by: TritonTaranis

originally posted by: 3daysgone

originally posted by: Illumimasontruth
a reply to: humanoidlord

Cold and moving around 300 miles per hour.

I'll go out on a limb here and say it is not a bird.

Could it have been a drone?

Cold, the object was cold, a drone would be hot as we don't have that kind of technology yet, st least not publicly knowledgeable

It shows up as white with the water dark in the background. That means it gives off heat. It shows up dark when it is reversed with the water light in the background.

No ,

The Raytheon cockpit display is in ‘black’ mode as designated in the left hand corner of the display.

Hot items are black and cold items are white.

See discription here:

coi.tothestarsacademy.com...